Return of the prodigal angel - The Triumph of Grace

[St. SteVen]

An interesting discussion was occurring in the Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from? topic.

This may be the most detailed view on the subject of Christian Universalism that I have posted to date.

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God the Father went further than that. While engaging with Satan, He reached behind Him and produced a throne to His left. This prodigal angel was shown mercy and grace of the highest order.

The word "prodigal" in your post triggered these thoughts. (I am reluctant to claim prophetic revelation)
As a Christian Universalist I actually understand your post quote above on some level. But I can imagine what it sounds like to others.

From a biblical perspective:
1) Jesus taught us that it is godly behavior to love our enemies. Who is God's #1 enemy?
2) Every knee will bow and every tongue willingly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. Satan has knees and a tongue.
3) The prodigal son was restored to his former authority (robe and ring) and to full son-ship.

Therefore, from a biblical perspective it is possible that Satan will be forgiven and restored as the ULTIMATE triumph of grace.

Granted, we are not informed of this in a straight forward manner, and there is biblical evidence to refute the idea. But... God is full of surprises, and usually unannounced.

- The Red Sea crossing. Who saw that coming?
- The Jordan River parting. Who saw that coming?
- The walls of Jericho falling. Who saw that coming?
- David and Goliath. Who saw that coming?
- Samson's victory against the Philistines. Who saw that coming?
- The resurrection of Jesus Christ. Who saw that coming?
- The outpouring at Pentecost. Who saw that coming?
Shall I continue? So... who knows?

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Continued in the next post.

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[St. SteVen]

Now isn't that something amazing, that not only the angels in heaven will rejoice over, but we the firstfuits also as we join them in worshipping our Creators. What a reunion party this will be! To be reunited with those we were separated from, be it us humans or angels. This is so exciting! My heart can't help but be filled with joy right now. Oh the love of God for Their creation is absolutely astounding.

Again, as a Christian Universalist, here's how I see that playing out.
Conjecture on my part, with a reasonable modicum of biblical support.

There will be an Age of Restoration. It will require an entire age. Much to be done.
1) The nations will be evaluated. (judged)
2) Leaders, both political and religious will be evaluated. (judged)
3) Individuals will be evaluated. (judged) Both humans and angels.
4) Both rewards and correction will be administered.

This evaluation/judgement will be for all to witness.
Everyone will take the stand for individual evaluation while everyone else is witness to the event.

Humans will be evaluated first and then angels.

Satan will witness the restoration and redemption of all before he is restored to his former glory as Lucifer.

The ULTIMATE triumph of grace. Who saw that coming? (pick me, pick me) - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
How would you react to those who take your advice but end up with revelations that contradict your own?

I have no problems with that as I trust in the Spirit to tell people what they need to hear individually and for the church.

Like Joshua and Caleb for instance.

Did the word from God contradict between Joshua and Caleb?
Meaning, did God tell Joshua something that contradicted what he told Caleb?

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[One 2 question]

St. SteVen said:
How would you react to those who take your advice but end up with revelations that contradict your own?

Did the word from God contradict between Joshua and Caleb?
Meaning, did God tell Joshua something that contradicted what he told Caleb?

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Technically yes and no. God told both of them one thing in writing. Later God told Joshua something contrary to that, directly.

God put this in writing, 'Do not kill'

God put this in words, 'kill everyone, men, women, children.'

 

[St. SteVen]

Technically yes and no. God told both of them one thing in writing. Later God told Joshua something contrary to that, directly.

Seems odd to name Joshua and Caleb as examples, but... ???

God put this in writing, 'Do not kill'

God put this in words, 'kill everyone, men, women, children.'

Did God in fact write 'Do not kill', or 'Do not murder'? Is there a difference?

Certainly the genocide order for Canaan is a questionable thing. Even history/archeology does not support the genocide happening. Nor does history/archeology support the Exodus and wanderings. ???

Where does that leave us? I can tell you what the Bible says (what was written), there are many opinions about what it means, and Christians tend to claim that their biblical opinions are "the Word of God". Where does that leave us?

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[Ronald Nolette]

Again, as a Christian Universalist, here's how I see that playing out.
Conjecture on my part, with a reasonable modicum of biblical support.

There will be an Age of Restoration. It will require an entire age. Much to be done.
1) The nations will be evaluated. (judged)
2) Leaders, both political and religious will be evaluated. (judged)
3) Individuals will be evaluated. (judged) Both humans and angels.
4) Both rewards and correction will be administered.

This evaluation/judgement will be for all to witness.
Everyone will take the stand for individual evaluation while everyone else is witness to the event.

Humans will be evaluated first and then angels.

Satan will witness the restoration and redemption of all before he is restored to his former glory as Lucifer.

The ULTIMATE triumph of grace. Who saw that coming? (pick me, pick me) - LOL

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Well that goes agains tthe plain teaching of teh word of God and requires much allegorizing of Scripture to reach that conclusion.

Satan is lost forever.

 

[One 2 question]

Seems odd to name Joshua and Caleb as examples, but... ???

Why is that?

Did God in fact write 'Do not kill', or 'Do not murder'? Is there a difference?

KILL Exodus 20
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A primitive root; properly to dash in pieces, that is, kill (a human being), especially to murder: - put to death, kill, (man-) slay (-er), murder (-er).

Certainly the genocide order for Canaan is a questionable thing. Even history/archeology does not support the genocide happening. Nor does history/archeology support the Exodus and wanderings. ???

Where does that leave us? I can tell you what the Bible says (what was written), there are many opinions about what it means, and Christians tend to claim that their biblical opinions are "the Word of God". Where does that leave us?

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It is written by God Himself. Ex. 20

It was told and written according to Joshua by divine inspiration so we've been told.

It could be seen as a dilemma.

 

[One 2 question]

Where does that leave us?

Off topic, already. Haha!

 

[St. SteVen]

Last thing I said on the game I was playing before I came back over here.

"It wasn't what I was aiming for, but that was my shot." - Kudos

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The Spirit of God revealed the mass repenting of all those outside His kingdom. The one who led the turning back to their Creators was Satan.

As I observed this scene, the Creators accepted them, reconciling every one of them to Themselves.

God the Father went further than that. While engaging with Satan, He reached behind Him and produced a throne to His left. This prodigal angel was shown mercy and grace of the highest order.

Now isn't that something amazing, that not only the angels in heaven will rejoice over, but we the firstfuits also as we join them in worshipping our Creators. What a reunion party this will be! To be reunited with those we were separated from, be it us humans or angels. The prodigal angels have returned. This is so exciting! My heart can't help but be filled with joy right now. Oh the love of God for Their creation is absolutely astounding.

 

[St. SteVen]

The Spirit of God revealed the mass repenting of all those outside His kingdom.

The ultimate triumph of grace! Thanks.

Jesus taught us that it is godly behavior to love our enemies. (Matthew 5:43-48)

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[One 2 question]

The ultimate triumph of grace! Thanks.

Jesus taught us that it is godly behavior to love our enemies. (Matthew 5:43-48)

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Absolutely. And there is no one more worthy of being identified as the greatest enemy than Satan.

The one who is forgiven much loves much. The one who is forgiven the most loves the most. I believe the front runner in this category would be Satan.

 

[One 2 question]

Satan is lost forever

You and I were condemed and lost forever.

That was until God exercised Their power and brought us to where we voluntarily repented, finding Their mercy and grace irresistible.

Everyone will come to their right mind, like the prodigal son in Jesus story. The leader of all the prodigals in the lake of fire will lead them all out of there towards their Creators Who will not deny them. God will hear their cry for help and will save them ALL.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You and I were condemed and lost forever.

That was until God exercised Their power and brought us to where we voluntarily repented, finding Their mercy and grace irresistible.

Everyone will come to their right mind, like the prodigal son in Jesus story. The leader of all the prodigals in the lake of fire will lead them all out of there towards their Creators Who will not deny them. God will hear their cry for help and will save them ALL.

Well if you can find verses that declare this and say their is repentance and redemption in eternity- you have a case. Otherwise it is just feelings, philosophy and opinion.

 

[One 2 question]

Well if you can find verses that declare this and say their is repentance and redemption in eternity- you have a case. Otherwise it is just feelings, philosophy and opinion.

The great thing is that the Spirit is revealing new truths to various people and by wherever means He chooses. The contributors of the many books in the bible are but a few. The members of the church over its 2000 year life has been a constant means of bearing divine truths.

I love receiving new truths, new in the sense that they aren't mentioned in the bible.

Oh that all members of the church would receive new direct revelations and prophesy.

 

[St. SteVen]

Oh that all members of the church would receive new direct revelations and prophesy.

Remember, manifestations of the Spirit are like body parts. We need all the DIFFERENT parts to make up the body.

1 Corinthians 12:12, 19-20, 27 NIV
12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. ...
19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body. ...
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.

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[Ronald Nolette]

The great thing is that the Spirit is revealing new truths to various people and by wherever means He chooses. The contributors of the many books in the bible are but a few. The members of the church over its 2000 year life has been a constant means of bearing divine truths.

I love receiving new truths, new in the sense that they aren't mentioned in the bible.

Oh that all members of the church would receive new direct revelations and prophesy.

Anything that contradicts what is written in Scripture. is not new truths but old lies.

There are millions who have spouted what you just said and have come and gone. If they are new truths and are to be scriptural they will pass the test of the body of Christ recognizing them.

I love receiving new truths, new in the sense that they aren't mentioned in the bible.

Oh that all members of the church would receive new direct revelations and prophesy.

If they are not mentioned in the bible or contradict the Bible they are lies! How do you verify they are actually new truths from God and not deceptions from the angel of light?

 

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There are millions who have spouted what you just said and have come and gone.

I've never heard anyone 'sprout', share, prophesy what the Spirit revealed to me 2 years ago.

I certainly hope there are others getting such revelations as this and more.

Anything that contradicts what is written in Scripture. is not new truths but old lies.

If they are new truths and are to be scriptural they will pass the test of the body of Christ recognizing them.

If they are not mentioned in the bible or contradict the Bible they are lies! How do you verify they are actually new truths from God and not deceptions from the angel of light?

I'm not sure who's telling you this stuff and where they get their info that makes you to come to these conclusions.

Scriptures, scriptures. Bible, bible. I'm glad in reality it's about a relationship with the Holy Creators, Holy Father, His Holy Son and Their Holy Spirit.

My encouragement is to not replace the Holy Creators with what's commonly referred to as the holy bible.

 

[One 2 question]

The extremely encouraging truth that causes me to love and follow my Creators more passionately and intimately is that They are going to restore, redeem and reconcile ALL of Their created beings to Themselves in our future. Their beautiful mercy and georgous grace is so irresistible that no being will be able to but be attracted to and embrace Them.

Oh, they that have been forgiven much loves much. I know this truth by experiencing it for myself. I can't wait till the likes of Hitler and Satan experience it for themselves. The hope of this grand event brings me continual joy. I love our Redeemers so much!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm not sure who's telling you this stuff and where they get their info that makes you to come to these conclusions.

Scriptures, scriptures. Bible, bible. I'm glad in reality it's about a relationship with the Holy Creators, Holy Father, His Holy Son and Their Holy Spirit.

My encouragement is to not replace the Holy Creators with what's commonly referred to as the holy bible.

And my encouragement is to not reduce the Bible by having a relationship with god without the boundaries established by His Inpsired Word.

You have no ability to know which of your new revelations are divine or not!

The balance in the relationship with God is this:

A relationship with god not tethered by His Word leads to hyper and pseudo spirituality.

A relationship with god thatr is just His Word alone leads to hyper legalism.

The conclusion of the matter is to know god and know He will not reveal anything in these days that will contradict His Inspired Word which has been preservered to pass down through the ages for us to judge and know the character of God and discern truth from error.