They will be crying to the mountains

[Stewardofthemystery]

At the 6th seal it says "the great day of His wrath has come". Why do you have that day coming some day after that?

How long of a time period do you believe there is between Matthew 24:29 and Matthew 24:30?

The 6th seal events are not “the last trump”events with the Lord descending. The last trump events happens during the 7th seal not the 6th. So again your timeline of events are in ERROR.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The 6th seal events are not “the last trump”events with the Lord descending. The last trump events happens during the 7th seal not the 6th. So again your timeline of events are in ERROR.

You have so much trouble giving answers to straightforward questions. I'll ask again. How long of a time period do you believe there is between Matthew 24:29 and Matthew 24:30?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You have so much trouble giving answers to straightforward questions. I'll ask again. How long of a time period do you believe there is between Matthew 24:29 and Matthew 24:30?

That is not given in scripture, so any answer would be pure speculation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That is not given in scripture, so any answer would be pure speculation.

Just give me an estimate. Months? A year? More? I see no indication of a time period occurring between verse 29 and 30.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Just give me an estimate. Months? A year? More? I see no indication of a time period occurring between verse 29 and 30.

I’m not going to speculate.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I’m not going to speculate.

Let me answer it for you then. It will be less than one day.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Let me answer it for you then. It will be less than one day.

Based on what? Your extensive knowledge of the words of God? LOL!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Based on what? Your extensive knowledge of the words of God? LOL!

Oh, you're still talking to me? Interesting. I clearly know much more than you do, as evidenced by your lack of understanding that when it talks about few surviving Christ's wrath at His second coming it's talking about believers and not unbelievers. It is based on the fact that Revelation 6:12-17 indicates that the great day of Christ's wrath has come at that point. People are cowering in fear at what is coming to them already at that point. And none of them will escape.

Do you equate the great day of Christ's wrath with this passage:

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

You seem to be forgetting that the return of Christ will occur as a thief in the night. It will be unexpected and bring "sudden destruction" on His enemies from which "they shall not escape". If the signs referenced in Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:12-17 went on for a period of months or even years, then how would His coming be like a thief in the night and result in sudden destruction from which "they shall not escape"?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Oh, you're still talking to me? Interesting. I clearly know much more than you do, as evidenced by your lack of understanding that when it talks about few surviving Christ's wrath at His second coming it's talking about believers and not unbelievers. It is based on the fact that Revelation 6:12-17 indicates that the great day of Christ's wrath has come at that point. People are cowering in fear at what is coming to them already at that point. And none of them will escape.

Do you equate the great day of Christ's wrath with this passage:

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

You seem to be forgetting that the return of Christ will occur as a thief in the night. It will be unexpected and bring "sudden destruction" on His enemies from which "they shall not escape". If the signs referenced in Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:12-17 went on for a period of months or even years, then how would His coming be like a thief in the night and result in sudden destruction from which "they shall not escape"?

No. I am going to leave you alone.
Matthew 15:14
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No. I am going to leave you alone.
Matthew 15:14
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

How nice. That verse refers to unbelieving Christ rejecters like the Pharisees of Christ's day. Comparing me to them. Pathetic. Go ahead and run away with your tail between your legs just because you are too cowardly to address the scriptures that don't support your view. Anyone who thinks there will be mortal survivors of what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12 is clearly being influenced by doctrinal bias.

 

[Keraz]

You seem to be forgetting that the return of Christ will occur as a thief in the night. It will be unexpected and bring "sudden destruction" on His enemies from which "they shall not escape".

The glorious Return of Jesus, does NOT come as a thief, or unexpectedly. 1 Thess 4:16-17 makes that clear.

Your confusion arises from the AMill belief, the crazy idea that all the end times events happen at once.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The glorious Return of Jesus, does NOT come as a thief, or unexpectedly. 1 Thess 4:16-17 makes that clear.

How does 1 Thess 4:16-17 make that clear? Are you too lazy to quote scripture and show exactly how you are coming to your conclusions or what?

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Where does this indicate that He does not come unexpectedly?

If you keep reading from there when Paul talks about what will happen to unbelievers on that day, Paul says He will come as a thief in the night.

1 Thess 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Your confusion arises from the AMill belief, the crazy idea that all the end times events happen at once.

I have no confusion. Amil makes sense of all scripture without contradictions unlike your view. LOL at you calling that a crazy idea when you have the crazy idea of the unbiblical, imaginary 7,000 year plan of God which is mentioned nowhere in scripture. And you don't even acknowledge that you leave Satan's little season completely out of that plan as if that time period won't happen.

 

[Keraz]

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Where does this indicate that He does not come unexpectedly?

Maybe something to do with the shout of the Archangel and we can be assured that the Trump of God will get our attention!

1 Thess 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

This is plainly, obviously, about the forthcoming Sixth Seal Day of the Lords fiery wrath, years before the Return.
Proved by how there cannot be anyone saying: 'Peace and safety', as the Great Tribulation crashes around them and the armies of the Anti-Christ gather at Armageddon.

I have no confusion

The AMill belief is mega confusion and hopeless error.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Maybe something to do with the shout of the Archangel and we can be assured that the Trump of God will get our attention!

LOL. Jesus will have already descended from heaven at that point. What do you think, that He will just hang around up there in the air for some period of time after the trumpet of God sounds? No, that is referring to the day of His return. It's not talking about the trumpet of God sounding to get our attention. LOL. No, that is the day of His coming when He will take vengeance on His enemies. It will be unexpected.

This is plainly, obviously, about the forthcoming Sixth Seal Day of the Lords fiery wrath, years before the Return.
Proved by how there cannot be anyone saying: 'Peace and safety', as the Great Tribulation crashes around them and the armies of the Anti-Christ gather at Armageddon.

The AMill belief is mega confusion and hopeless error.

Your belief is utter nonsense of epic proportions. You try to act as if the trumpet of God that sounds when Jesus has already descended from heaven will be some kind of warning to get our attention? LOL. So ridiculous. No, once Jesus descends from heaven He isn't going to mess around. We will be gathered to Him in the air and He will proceed to destroy all of His enemies and that will be unexpected. They won't see it coming. It will be "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3).

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

In order to understand the connection between the Harlot being burned, and the false idol being burned you must understand this warning….

Deuteronomy 7:25-26

King James Version

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25 The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abomination to the Lord thy God.
26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.

So the judgment by fire that is coming is to be upon BOTH the false idol and those who played the Harlot by coveting the cursed thing.

 

[Keraz]

LOL. Jesus will have already descended from heaven at that point. What do you think, that He will just hang around up there in the air for some period of time after the trumpet of God sounds? No, that is referring to the day of His return. It's not talking about the trumpet of God sounding to get our attention. LOL. No, that is the day of His coming when He will take vengeance on His enemies. It will be unexpected.

It is just your usual wrong assumptions that think the Shout and the Trump come after Jesus has arrived here.
1 Thess 4:16, proves you wrong as the Shout and Trump come first, so people will NOT be taken by surprise at the Return and the AMill theory is discredited.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is just your usual wrong assumptions that think the Shout and the Trump come after Jesus has arrived here.

He is not arriving here, He will meet us "in the air". Stop trying to change scripture. At that point He will destroy His enemies and it will catch them completely unaware. Look at what Paul said here will happen at that point:

2 Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

I don't know what you think is going to happen after we meet the Lord in the air, but this passage tells us. He will proceed to take vengeance on all of His enemies and it will occur unexpectedly and suddenly as he said in 1 Thess 5:2-3.

1 Thess 4:16, proves you wrong as the Shout and Trump come first, so people will NOT be taken by surprise at the Return and the AMill theory is discredited.

LOL!!!!!!!!! What do you think, that Jesus is just going to hang around in the air and then do nothing? No, after gathering us to Himself He will then immediately destroy His enemies. You have no idea of what you're talking about! Absolutely none.

 

[Keraz]

I don't know what you think is going to happen after we meet the Lord in the air, but this passage tells us. He will proceed to take vengeance on all of His enemies and it will occur unexpectedly and suddenly as he said in 1 Thess 5:2-3.

1 Thess 1:6-10 is not about the glorious Return of Jesus, but His terrible and unexpected Day of fiery wrath.
Proved by how no fire is mentioned in Revelation 19:11-21

LOL!!!!!!!!! What do you think, that Jesus is just going to hang around in the air and then do nothing? No, after gathering us to Himself He will then immediately destroy His enemies. You have no idea of what you're talking about! Absolutely none.

The fool who has no clues is yourself.
1 Thess 4:16-17, Prophesies the glorious Day when Jesus Returns to commence His Millennium reign. He disposes of the armies gathered at Armageddon by the Sword of His Word. It cannot be unexpected.
Proved by Zechariah 14:3-4

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1 Thess 1:6-10 is not about the glorious Return of Jesus, but His terrible and unexpected Day of fiery wrath.
Proved by how no fire is mentioned in Revelation 19:11-21

To deny that 2 Thess 1:6-10 is about His return shows just how lacking in discernment you really are. It could not be more obvious that His return is described in that passage. You have nothing but weak arguments. Revelation 19:11-21 is a symbolic portrayal of His return. Do you think He will be literally slaying people with a literal sword coming out of His mouth when He returns? Of course not. So, the literal way in which He will be destroying His enemies when He returns is not described in that passage. But, it is in passages like 2 Thess 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:10-12.

The fool who has no clues is yourself.
1 Thess 4:16-17, Prophesies the glorious Day when Jesus Returns to commence His Millennium reign. He disposes of the armies gathered at Armageddon by the Sword of His Word. It cannot be unexpected.
Proved by Zechariah 14:3-4

Your blabbering does nothing but expose the weakness of your arguments. There is nothing in 1 Thess 4:16-17 to suggest that His return won't be unexpected. It will be unexpected right up until the moment the trumpet sounds announcing His return. At that point we will be gathered to Him and He will destroy His enemies. If His enemies are aware of His return maybe for a second or two before He destroys them, that means His return is not unexpected? That seems to be what you are arguing, which is ridiculous.

 

[Keraz]

There is nothing in 1 Thess 4:16-17 to suggest that His return won't be unexpected. It will be unexpected right up until the moment the trumpet sounds announcing His return. At that point we will be gathered to Him and He will destroy His enemies. If His enemies are aware of His return maybe for a second or two before He destroys them, that means His return is not unexpected? That seems to be what you are arguing, which is ridiculous.

You purposefully avoid the real proof that the glorious Return cannot be unexpected or a surprise. It is the gathering of the worlds armies at Armageddon, Revelation 16:12-14
Even though Rev 16:15 does say He will come as a thief, that must refer to the already happened Sixth Seal, the event which will shock everybody and as it says; we must keep our faith so we won't be ashamed when Jesus does appear.