When was Satan cast out of heaven, down to the earth?

[Jay Ross]

I am being told my understanding is flawed by those who do not understand WHEN Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth.
I provided scriptural PROOF others provide false accusations.

You have dressed yourself with the tickets you have placed on yourself to clothe yourself with.

You may have quoted scripture in a vain attempt as justification for your understanding, but those scriptures do not provide any proof as to when Satan will be judged and cast down to the face of the earth from where he will be grabbed and imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years.

I am happy to let the readers decide for themselves where God's truth lies. are you?

Goodbye

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Rev 20 is simply talking about the ignorance hanging over the Gentiles (ethnos) being lifted since Christ's "first resurrection." This was predicted by the prophets and is now being fulfilled as the light of the Gospel shines throughout the nations.

Premil carries zero corroboration. When did Moses, the prophets, Jesus, or the disciples talk about such a period happening after the second coming, apart from your misreading of Rev 20?

Satan is bound after the resurrection of the saints at “the last day”at “the last trump.” I am amazed how so many are deceived in this forum. Truly Satan had blinded the minds of many.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Stewardofthemystery All of your questions are a result of not understanding what the binding of Satan is about. You do not understand why he was bound. It has nothing to do with completely incapacitating Satan, it has to do with Jesus destroying his works (1 John 3:8) and taking the power of death away from him (Hebrews 2:14-15) in order to make the way for the gospel of Christ to shine light to the world that was formerly almost completely in spiritual darkness because they had "no hope, and were without God in the world" (Ephesians 2:11-13).

I believe all of these passages relate to Satan's binding and all of them talk about the impact that Jesus and the preaching of His gospel has had on the world for the past almost 2,000 years. An impact that premils like yourself shamefully do not acknowledge.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

All of the above passages relate to the binding of Satan which has to do with Jesus coming to "destroy the works of the devil" by way of taking "the power of death" away from him which he formerly used to keep the world (especially the Gentiles) in spiritual darkness and in slavery to the fear of death (due to previously having no hope of eternal life). Before He came very few Gentiles in the world had been saved, but after that a multitude has been saved. That was made possible by way of Jesus binding Satan and restraining the power he once held over the world to make it possible for people to be delivered "from the power of Satan unto God".

The binding of Satan has nothing to do with making Satan completely powerless as premils imagine. It has to do with spoiling his house, destroying his works, taking the power of death away from him and keeping him from deceiving almost the entire world awhile keeping them in spiritual darkness as slaves to the fear of death as he was able to do in OT times.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

You may have quoted scripture in a vain attempt as justification for your understanding, but those scriptures do not provide any proof as to when Satan will be judged and cast down to the face of the earth from where he will be grabbed and imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years.

I am happy to let the readers decide for themselves where God's truth lies. are you?

Goodbye

Well if you don’t believe the words of God I posted, then you will not believe me either.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12:13
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Satan is bound after the resurrection of the saints at “the last day”at “the last trump.” I am amazed how so many are deceived in this forum. Truly Satan had blinded the minds of many.

Are you aware that most premils disagree with your understanding of when Satan was cast out of heaven? Amils agree with you on that. Think about that.

You are blinded by the false doctrine of premillennialism. You are not even giving any serious thought to this issue and you are saying we (Amils) are deceived? We have given this far more thought and consideration than you have. That is very clear.

If you are so sure that premillennialism is true, then I'm sure you won't mind giving me your interpretation of these passages, so can you please do so?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Stash]

LOL
I learned on this site because everybody SET in their beliefs ( including me ) just to say what I need to say and then I don’t read any comments

Why should I read them?

It’s my understanding that Satan‘s spirit is allowed to roam the world however ( he DE Facto) is being restrained right now. The moment Jesus told him to get behind my back.

Soon Satan and his fallen angels will be thrown from heaven, and Satan will go to the bottomless pit and let his locust army out

Then let WOE be to the world for he has a short time to convince everybody he is Jesus

Just absorb what I’m saying you don’t have to believe me I don’t really care cause I’m not gonna read your comments lol
Everybody just seems like they wanna fight

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

@Stewardofthemystery All of your questions are a result of not understanding what the binding of Satan is about. You do not understand why he was bound. It has nothing to do with completely incapacitating Satan, it has to do with Jesus destroying his works (1 John 3:8) and taking the power of death away from him (Hebrews 2:14-15) in order to make the way for the gospel of Christ to shine light to the world that was formerly almost completely in spiritual darkness because they had "no hope, and were without God in the world" (Ephesians 2:11-13).

I believe all of these passages relate to Satan's binding and all of them talk about the impact that Jesus and the preaching of His gospel has had on the world for the past almost 2,000 years. An impact that premils like yourself shamefully do not acknowledge.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

All of the above passages relate to the binding of Satan which has to do with Jesus coming to "destroy the works of the devil" by way of taking "the power of death" away from him which he formerly used to keep the world (especially the Gentiles) in spiritual darkness and in slavery to the fear of death (due to previously having no hope of eternal life). Before He came very few Gentiles in the world had been saved, but after that a multitude has been saved. That was made possible by way of Jesus binding Satan and restraining the power he once held over the world to make it possible for people to be delivered "from the power of Satan unto God".

The binding of Satan has nothing to do with making Satan completely powerless as premils imagine. It has to do with spoiling his house, destroying his works, taking the power of death away from him and keeping him from deceiving almost the entire world awhile keeping them in spiritual darkness as slaves to the fear of death as he was able to do in OT times.

Again, you guys keep resorting to showing Christ casting out devils and Satan out of individuals. That is NOT what I am talking about.

I am talking about the timing of WHEN Satan was cast out of heaven DOWN to the earth as is shown in scripture.

The fact that you guys do not understand this is very telling.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Are you aware that most premils disagree with your understanding of when Satan was cast out of heaven?

I believe a lot of people who call themselves Christians are yet carnal, and are yet in the dark concerning the spiritual things of God.

You are blinded by the false doctrine of premillennialism. You are not even giving any serious thought to this issue and you are saying we (Amils) are deceived? We have given this far more thought and consideration than you have. That is very clear.

If you are so sure that premillennialism is true, then I'm sure you won't mind giving me your interpretation of these passages, so can you please do so?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[WPM]

Satan is bound after the resurrection of the saints at “the last day”at “the last trump.” I am amazed how so many are deceived in this forum. Truly Satan had blinded the minds of many.

Not so! It does not say that, and you have not able to show that. Give us one single scripture that mentions “the last day” and/or “the last trump” answers millennium following it?

Who or what was the first resurrection?

• Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings?
• Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon?
• Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent?
• Do you believe Satan literally has 7 heads and 7 necks?
• Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key?
• Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal chain?
• Is the prison mentioned in Revelation 20:7 a literal brick prison?
• Do you believe demons need to be detained in a literal physical prison with literal metal chains in order to be restrained?
• Can a prisoner in a prison have great wrath while in chains?
• Does imprisonment mean immobility?
• Does it mean a prisoner cannot do harm?
• Can a dog on a chain walk or roam about?
• Can a prisoner in a prison walk or roam about?
• Does a prisoner have the ability to kill, steal, destroy, rape and embezzle in prison?

 

[WPM]

I believe a lot of people who call themselves Christians are yet carnal, and are yet in the dark concerning the spiritual things of God.

Why then can you not address any rebuttal of what you believe? That should be a massive red flag to all watching on.

Is it because you have no answer? Is it because you do not like people disagreeing with you? Is it because you are just repeating what you have been taught?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Why then can you not address any rebuttal of what you believe? That should be a massive red flag to all watching on.

Is it because you have no answer? Is it because you do not like people disagreeing with you? Is it because you are just repeating what you have been taught?

What rebuttal? You mean the name calling and false accusations? Lol

 

[WPM]

What rebuttal? You mean the name calling and false accusations? Lol

What name calling or false accusation?

 

[WPM]

LOL
I learned on this site because everybody SET in their beliefs ( including me ) just to say what I need to say and then I don’t read any comments

Why should I read them?

It’s my understanding that Satan‘s spirit is allowed to roam the world however ( he DE Facto) is being restrained right now. The moment Jesus told him to get behind my back.

Soon Satan and his fallen angels will be thrown from heaven, and Satan will go to the bottomless pit and let his locust army out

Then let WOE be to the world for he has a short time to convince everybody he is Jesus

Just absorb what I’m saying you don’t have to believe me I don’t really care cause I’m not gonna read your comments lol
Everybody just seems like they wanna fight

Matthew 12:22-29, Mark 3:11, 23-27, Luke 10:18-19, Luke 11:20-22, John 12:31-33 Colossians 2:13-15, Hebrews 2:14-15, I John 3:8, Revelation 9:1-11 and Revelation 20:2 prove Satan was bound, defeated, incapacitated, divested of power, disarmed, brought to naught, undone, stripped and spiritually imprisoned through Christ's sinless life, atoning death and triumphant resurrection. Colossians 2:15 tells us: “having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.” Satan has not been rendered immobile or inoperative but is limited in his power, kingship and influence by being defeated on the cross. He is like a dog on a chain. He is shackled.

These passages demonstrate Christ’s current power and authority over the devil and His irreversible victory against him even though he still remains free to roam about seeking whom he may devour.

 

[WPM]

Again, you guys keep resorting to showing Christ casting out devils and Satan out of individuals. That is NOT what I am talking about.

I am talking about the timing of WHEN Satan was cast out of heaven DOWN to the earth as is shown in scripture.

The fact that you guys do not understand this is very telling.

Who is the strongman that Jesus speaks about?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Again, you guys keep resorting to showing Christ casting out devils and Satan out of individuals. That is NOT what I am talking about.

I am talking about the timing of WHEN Satan was cast out of heaven DOWN to the earth as is shown in scripture.

The fact that you guys do not understand this is very telling.

What exactly is it that you think we don't understand? Do you understand that we agree with you on the timing of Satan being cast out of heaven?

We are not just showing you Christ casting devils out of individuals, we are showing you verses that say He came to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8) . What do you think that means and do you believe He was successful in doing that? We're also showing you a passage that says Jesus took the power of death away from the devil and you seem to try to downplay all of these passages that talk about the impact that Jesus had on Satan even though He made a tremendous impact that resulted in the salvation of a multitude in the world after they previously had "no hope, and were without God in the world" (Ephesians 2:11-13).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

LOL
I learned on this site because everybody SET in their beliefs ( including me ) just to say what I need to say and then I don’t read any comments

Why should I read them?

It’s my understanding that Satan‘s spirit is allowed to roam the world however ( he DE Facto) is being restrained right now. The moment Jesus told him to get behind my back.

Soon Satan and his fallen angels will be thrown from heaven, and Satan will go to the bottomless pit and let his locust army out

Then let WOE be to the world for he has a short time to convince everybody he is Jesus

Just absorb what I’m saying you don’t have to believe me I don’t really care cause I’m not gonna read your comments lol
Everybody just seems like they wanna fight

This forum is intended for discussion and debate. It doesn't have to be a fight. We can be respectful while discussing these things.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I believe a lot of people who call themselves Christians are yet carnal, and are yet in the dark concerning the spiritual things of God.

Is that what you think of me even though I recognize the two different tribulations Jesus talked about in the Olivet Discourse, as you have pointed out and I recognize that Satan was cast out of haven long ago, as you have pointed out, and so on? You have no idea who I am if you think I'm carnal. Those who are carnal do not carefully look at all of scripture like I do to make sure that my interpretation of one scripture does not contradict any other scripture. Those who are carnal make assumptions about scripture such as assuming it is all literal unless it very explicitly says otherwise and so on. They don't agree with Paul that scripture requires spiritual discernment from the Holy Spirit to understanding the deeper things of God that we discuss on this forum (1 Corinthians 2:9-16).

Anyway, can you tell me how you interpret the passages I quoted in post #45? If you are so sure that we Amils are blinded then it's time for you to put your money where you mouth is and show your understanding of the scriptures that we believe support Amil.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why then can you not address any rebuttal of what you believe? That should be a massive red flag to all watching on.

Is it because you have no answer? Is it because you do not like people disagreeing with you? Is it because you are just repeating what you have been taught?

Right. It makes no sense to accuse others of being blind and carnal while doing absolutely nothing to address our points.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Who is the strongman that Jesus speaks about?

That verse is not about Satan being cast out of the earth and being bound in the pit for a thousand years. It is about Satan being cast out of individuals who are born again of the Spirit.

 

[WPM]

That verse is not about Satan being cast out of the earth and being bound in the pit for a thousand years. It is about Satan being cast out of individuals who are born again of the Spirit.

So you agree it is Satan?