The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

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Those in the OT were made holy and recieved the Holy Spirit while looking forward to the Cross - we are made holy and recieve the Holy Spirit while looking back to the Cross...we're all saved by grace through faith in the Cross of Jesus.
You FORGOT that both Covenants required the "shedding of blood".
One only forgave sin!
The other Covenant forgives sin, and then removes sin.

Which Covenant do YOU want to be "under"?
That's exactly what God DID for those "under" the OC, who died in FAITH of "the Promise that was to come".

Did He REWARD them?
Absolutely!! "White robes" (the Holy Spirit of God) was permanently given "to each one".
Rev. 6:9-11.
Now you know who the symbolic number of the 144,000 WERE. They are the Firstfruits unto God, through faith in Jesus' shed blood.
 

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No! God could ONLY VISIT upon them through the sacrificial service of animals on a yearly basis. You KNOW this, it's part of your belief system in the understanding of Passover.

Therefore, even though they had the TEMPORARY forgiveness of sin through the blood of animals, their sins could NEVER be removed. For that cause alone, they never could receive or HAVE the literal Gift of Eternal Life, by which could only happen through the Holy Spirit permanently dwelling within them. He is Himself the vehicle of delivery for the Free Gift of Eternal Life. John 1:26-29; 1 John 5:12-23.
The book of Revelation should never be read or understood as being all things future!!

That is what Rev. 6:9-11 is all about. The symbolic white robes is the permanent giving of the Holy Spirit to each one under the altar of the OC., who had died in faith of "the Promise to come", who was Jesus, the Messiah/Savior.

Immediately after Jesus' mortal death, is when they of the OC received the Holy Spirit of God, the Gift of Eternal Life. I gave those words about the Centurion in KJV Mat. 27:50-54. View it again, and you will understand WHEN** it was that many (not all) of those who had been dead, came out of their graves.

**Note: the hill of "Golgotha" was only a few hundred feet from the view of the veil of the temple.


Correct! But for those under the altar of the OC, the permanency of the indwelling Gift of the Holy Spirit did not take place for any of them, until AFTER Jesus' mortal death and resurrection.
You KNOW these things, now start believing it!!
John 11[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

By the way, now you can know who the symbolic 144,000 of Israel WERE.
While it's true OT prophets were indwelt by the Holy Spirit in a special measure in order to obtain divine revelation, Joshua of Nun had God's indwelling Spirit, David had God's indwelling Spirit, Joseph had God's Spirit.

It is Dispensational nonsense to claim only NT believers had the Holy Spirit indwelling them - however, it is Biblical truth to say the OT believers did not have the FULLNESS of the Holy Spirit indwelling them as in did NT believers.
 

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Historically incorrect.

The ten toes of the feet of the image are the same as the ten kings of the Revelation who will war with the Lamb - the ten kings who will rule for one hour with the beast that will ascend from the abyss - the same beast that existed before the days John received the Revelation but no longer existed, i.e before the Roman Empire.

Ever noticed in your zeal to misapply history that the legs of iron come before the ten kings, who had received no kingdom as yet when John received the Revelation (during the days of the Roman Empire)?

JOHN
told you that those ten kings will rule WITH the beast that is going to ascend from the abyss - the beast that existed before the Roman Empire - and those ten kings will go to war against the Lamb and be defeated by Him - the great mountain cut out without human hands that will strike the feet of the image (Daniel chapter 2 that you keep misinterpreting - the ten kings).

That's why your interpretation is so full of error - because you deny history, and deny what JOHN told us. You have the Roman Empire existing before the Roman Empire and ceasing to exist before it existed. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Historically incorrect yet again (and therefore, false). The FOUR Greek kingdoms that had existed before John received the Revelation, i.e before the days of the Roman Empire, followed the 3rd kingdom - the Greek kingdom of Alexander the Great. The ten kings of the Revelation, which are the same as the ten toes of the feet of the image in Daniel chapter 2, had received no kingdom yet, and still have received no kingdom yet. How can the beast that existed before Rome be Rome?

1+1=2, not 5. Your arithmetic needs brushing up because according to your eschatological theories 1+1= 5 (but you will first have to free your mind from your enslavement to the denominational false doctrine and false eschatology that you believe in).

Daniel 8:20-25
"The ram which you saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. And the shaggy goat is the king of Greece. And the great horn between his eyes is the first king. And as for that being broken, and four stood up in its place; four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in its power. And in the latter time of THEIR kingdom, .."

It does not say in the latter days of a Roman Empire. THEIR kingdom = the latter days of the four Greek kingdoms that succeeded the one Greek kingdom of Alexander the Great.

Daniel chapters 7, 8 and 11 are all applying the little horn to the king that came up in the latter days of the four Greek kingdoms that succeeded the one Greek Empire of Alexander the Great - the beast that had existed when John received the Revelation during the days of the Roman Empire but no longer existed at the time the Roman Empire existed - but will ascend again from the abyss. It's not the Roman Empire and it had noting to do with the Roman Empire.

Anyone can see how you change the Bible and the history, and then invent your own eschatology!!

"In the latter time of THEIR kingdom, when the transgressors have come to the full, a king, fierce of face, and skilled at intrigues, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power."

The above is another reference to a "little horn" coming up among ten Greek horns - the little horn that came up from out of of the Seleucid kingdom and seized the throne illegitimately, having had three of the rightful heirs to the throne murdered.

That's right. Alexander the Great was followed by the four Greek kingdoms and the little horn is one that rose out of one of the four Greek kingdoms (Antiochus IV Epiphanes - the Macedonian Greek king of Seleucia) - that little horn, historically, is part of the beast (the Greek kingdoms) that existed before the days of the Roman Empire, according to Revelation 17:8.

But you obviously don't believe Revelation 17:8, or Daniel, because if you did you would not apply things that apply to the five kingdoms that came before the Roman Empire according to Revelation 17:8, to the Roman Empire.

Of course not. It has nothing to do with Rome. Your mind is enslaved to this obsession with Rome, and the Popes. That's why your eschatology is so confused - because it's based on a lot of falsehood.

You obviously don't believe Revelation 17:8 & 11-14. Nor do you believe Revelation 17:10 when it tells you that five of the seven kingdoms had already fallen by the time of the days of the Roman Empire - which makes it obvious that the ten toes of the feet of the image of Daniel chapter 2 are the same as the ten kings of the Revelation who will war with the Lamb - the ten kings who will rule for one hour with the beast that will ascend from the abyss.

That beast that will ascend from the abyss are the same five kingdoms of the beast that existed before the days John received the Revelation but no longer existed, i.e before the Roman Empire - identified in Revelation 13:2 with the symbols of leopard, bear and lion - the kingdoms of Babyon, Persia and Greece, including the four kingdoms and the "little horn" - all of which existed before the Roman Empire.

Ever noticed in your zeal to misapply history that the legs of iron come before the ten kings, who had received no kingdom as yet when John received the Revelation (during the days of the Roman Empire)?

JOHN
told you that those ten kings will rule WITH the beast that is going to ascend from the abyss - the beast that existed before the Roman Empire - and those ten kings will go to war against the Lamb and be defeated by Him - the great mountain in Daniel chapter 2 that was cut out without human hands that will strike the feet of the image, of which the ten toes represent ten kings.

Rome is disqualified by Revelation 17:8 and by the fact that the little horn was a Greek horn which had already existed but no longer existed by the time of the Roman Empire, and by the fact that the ten kings did not exist yet - those ten kings who will make war against the Lamb and hand all their power and authority over to the same beast that existed before the days of the Roman Empire, when it ascends from out of the abyss, .

Your obsession with Rome has blinded you, together with the denominational false doctrine and eschatology that your mind has become enslaved by:

etc etc etc. Total nonsense.

Your interpretation of "the Daniel chapter 2 template" that you stick to, is in error, so you have chosen to stick to false doctrines, and yourself and others who have made up your denominational eschatology have blinded one another with the things you have made up - things which are historically and biblically inaccurate, and therefore, false.

In your eschatology you have the Roman Empire existing before the Roman Empire existed. And you can't see how totally illogical it is.

PS: The Revelation does not say that the harlot IS (the same as) the beast. You conflate the two a whole lot in your made up eschatology. The harlot will be destroyed by the beast that she prostituted herself to - which is all seven heads of the beast - meaning all of Abraham's seed who compromised their faith in Christ for the sake of favors from the political authorities of this world. The Vatican is just one of the manifestations of the harlot.

The seven-heads of the beast represent seven kingdoms. Five had fallen by the time John received the Revelation. One existed (the Roman Empire), and the seventh had not yet come. When it comes, it must continue a short time. Likewise, the beast John saw the harlot seated on existed before John received the Revelation (so no longer existed) but it will ascend from the bottomless pit and go to perdition. Likewise, the ten kings will hate the harlot, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire, rendering her desolate and naked.

"I counsel you to buy from Me gold tried in the fire, so that you may be rich; and white clothing, so that you may be clothed, and so that the shame of your nakedness does not appear.

Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is the one who watches and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame." -- Revelation 3:18 & 16:15.

Maybe some Catholics will remain faithful and not be found naked. Maybe some non-Catholics will be found naked.

You do not understand what you are talking about.​
I'll stick with the Daniel 2 template which shows the Greek belly/thighs of brass being overthrown by the legs of the IRON MONARCHY OF ROME, thank you.

Four metal "kingdoms" (Babylon/MP/Greece/Rome) and then ten divisions of the 4th.
Four beast "kingdoms" (Babylon/MP/Greece/Rome) and then ten divisions of the 4th, rise of Little Horn.
What arose after the Greek he-goat took down the MP ram and took down Greece? the Roman Little Horn.
 

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"That spirit of Antichrist" STATES that Jesus, in the flesh, was never Eternally Alive  BEFORE His virgin birth.
Both Orthodox and Zionist
ISRAEL believe exactly that, whereas the Papacy and the RCC does NOT. They know full well that Jesus is "the Lamb OF God, who taketh away [removes] the sin of the world".
The Papal Antichrist "denies Jesus Christ is come in the flesh" via the Immaculate Conception doctrine.

Their own words, not my opinions.
Antiochus Epiphanes lV was the ONLY "little horn" that was to come. There shall not be another!!
AEIV did not "take away the daily" for 2300 days or even 1150 days - and yet you ignore this.
 

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The only denomination that fits all the Biblical criteria for the Little Horn aka Beast aka Antichrist aka Man of Sin aka Whore of Revelation 17 riding the Beast - is the papacy.
Nope! The mother of harlots did not sit on the 7 heads of ALL the beasts, but Israel did!
Did the Lutherans persecute Christians for 1,260 years?
Did the Methodists attempt to change God's times and laws?
Did the Baptists speak "great things" ("blasphemies"), claiming their ministers were God or can forgive sin?
Did the Pentecostals uproot the three horns, the Vandals, Heruli, or Ostrogoths?
The biblical criteria for who is an antichrist, is to deny that the Eternal Son of God came to us in the flesh. Neither the Papacy or the RCC commit that blasphemy. However, Israel which "is fallen", most surely does deny that Eternal Christ has come in the flesh.
 

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You FORGOT that both Covenants required the "shedding of blood".
One only forgave sin!
The other Covenant forgives sin, and then removes sin.

Which Covenant do YOU want to be "under"?
That's exactly what God DID for those "under" the OC, who died in FAITH of "the Promise that was to come".

Did He REWARD them?
Absolutely!! "White robes" (the Holy Spirit of God) was permanently given "to each one".
Rev. 6:9-11.
Now you know who the symbolic number of the 144,000 WERE. They are the Firstfruits unto God, through faith in Jesus' shed blood.
The only difference between the OC ratified with animal blood and the NC ratified by Jesus' blood is where God writes His law.

God's law is written on hearts implies a more full indwelling of God's Holy Spirit to carry out His plan to reach the lost by indwelling the saints with a full measure of Holy Ghost power - to suggest OC believers had not the Holy Spirit is to deny what Scripture says about Joshua, David, and Joseph.
 

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While it's true OT prophets were indwelt by the Holy Spirit in a special measure in order to obtain divine revelation, Joshua of Nun had God's indwelling Spirit, David had God's indwelling Spirit, Joseph had God's Spirit.

It is Dispensational nonsense to claim only NT believers had the Holy Spirit indwelling them - however, it is Biblical truth to say the OT believers did not have the FULLNESS of the Holy Spirit indwelling them as in did NT believers.
Again, you are NOT understanding the power of Christ's innocent shed blood. God the Father declared it through John the Baptist!!
"Behold the Lamb OF God, that taketh AWAY [removes] the sin of the world".

Without faith in His innocent shed blood for you, you CAN'T BE MADE HOLY!! The HOLY Spirit of God can NOT permanently dwell within anyone who has not been made Holy by His Son's blood.
The scripture: Mat. 5
[48] "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect", is not the act of doing, but rather the state of being.
 

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Nope! The mother of harlots did not sit on the 7 heads of ALL the beasts, but Israel did!
Rome is the "seven hilled city" - and who was "that great city which reigneth (present perfect tense) over the kings of the Earth" when the angel was explaining the meaning of the vision of chapter 17? ROME!
The biblical criteria for who is an antichrist, is to deny that the Eternal Son of God came to us in the flesh. Neither the Papacy or the RCC commit that blasphemy. However, Israel which "is fallen", most surely does deny that Eternal Christ has come in the flesh.
Such stubbornness. The papacy absolutely denies Jesus came in the SAME flesh as fallen man which is the foundation of their "antichrist" aka "in place of Christ" priesthood!

That's what "antichrist" means! To "take the place of Christ" - because Mary is "sinless" along with the Holy Spirit, Jesus' flesh is "unapproachable" making necessary papal mediators between us and Him.
Again, you are NOT understanding the power of Christ's innocent shed blood. God the Father declared it through John the Baptist!!
"Behold the Lamb OF God, that taketh AWAY [removes] the sin of the world".

Without faith in His innocent shed blood for you, you CAN'T BE MADE HOLY!! The HOLY Spirit of God can NOT permanently dwell within anyone who has not been made Holy by His Son's blood.
The scripture: Mat. 5
[48] "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect", is not the act of doing, but rather the state of being.
None of what you say changes anything I said. Dispenstationalism will never by true.
 

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The only difference between the OC ratified with animal blood and the NC ratified by Jesus' blood is where God writes His law.

God's law is written on hearts implies a more full indwelling of God's Holy Spirit to carry out His plan to reach the lost by indwelling the saints with a full measure of Holy Ghost power - to suggest OC believers had not the Holy Spirit is to deny what Scripture says about Joshua, David, and Joseph.
Sorry, you can't mix and match, and then blend the two covenants for the Free Gift of God's Eternal Life.

To NOT HAVE the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, is to not have the Gift of Eternal Life. There is no other way to receive it, except by faith in the shed blood of Christ for the forgiveness and the removal of sin.
 
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The Papal Antichrist "denies Jesus Christ is come in the flesh" via the Immaculate Conception doctrine.
The pope cannot be Antichrist because he is not qualified to become the King of Israel messiah. The Antichrist person has to be a Jew, and someone the Jews will think is their long awaited messiah; someone other than Jesus the true Christ.

In John 1 are two revealing verses about the Christ = the messiah, and that he has to be the King of Israel.

John 1:

41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
 

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Rome is the "seven hilled city" - and who was "that great city which reigneth (present perfect tense) over the kings of the Earth" when the angel was explaining the meaning of the vision of chapter 17? ROME!
Earthly Jerusalem also has seven hills!!

Such stubbornness. The papacy absolutely denies Jesus came in the SAME flesh as fallen man which is the foundation of their "antichrist" aka "in place of Christ" priesthood!

That's what "antichrist" means! To "take the place of Christ" - because Mary is "sinless" along with the Holy Spirit, Jesus' flesh is "unapproachable" making necessary papal mediators between us and Him.

None of what you say changes anything I said. Dispenstationalism will never by true.
I see you deny the biblical meaning of antichrist, for the sake of keeping "the wisdom of men". So be it.
All of church-ianity, including yours are mixed with false doctrines, through "the wisdom of men" (and women). 1 Cor. 2:5.
 
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That's what "antichrist" means! To "take the place of Christ" - because Mary is "sinless" along with the Holy Spirit, Jesus' flesh is "unapproachable" making necessary papal mediators between us and Him.
Why don't you allow scripture to tell you what "antichrist" means? It doesn't mean "to take the place of Christ". That might describe the false Christs that Jesus warned about (Matthew 24:24), but it's not what the term "antichrist" means.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

So, there it is. Nothing there about "antichrist" meaning "to take the place of Christ". Instead, the term "antichrist" applies to anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ and denies the Father and the Son, and denies that Jesus Christ had come in the flesh.
 

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Why don't you allow scripture to tell you what "antichrist" means? It doesn't mean "to take the place of Christ". That might describe the false Christs that Jesus warned about (Matthew 24:24), but it's not what the term "antichrist" means.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

So, there it is. Nothing there about "antichrist" meaning "to take the place of Christ". Instead, the term "antichrist" applies to anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ and denies the Father and the Son, and denies that Jesus Christ had come in the flesh.
In 1John2:22, "He is antichrist", antichrist in that verse grammatically is known as a "predicate adjective". i.e. it is describing such a person's nature.

In 2John1:7 "This is a deceiver and an antichrist" meaning a person of that sort is antichrist - i.e. one who exhibits the traits of the coming Antichrist.

The coming Antichrist of 1John2:18 is one specific person - who will be anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah. The ones (that referred to as "little children', i.e new Christians) John was speaking to were already aware of that coming one specific person.

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
 
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So, there it is. Nothing there about "antichrist" meaning "to take the place of Christ". Instead, the term "antichrist" applies to anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ and denies the Father and the Son, and denies that Jesus Christ had come in the flesh.
There is one more criteria that John laid out to someone who is an "antichrist". And that is the person must have been part of the Christianity community, i.e. a confessing Christian at one time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

A modern day example of an antichrist fitting the criteria is Yusuf Estes - a former pastor who became a Muslim. There are several videos by him on You Tube.

But someone who has yet to become a Christian is not an antichrist, as John defined "an antichrist". However, depending on how adamant a person is regarding Jesus - that person though could be under the spirit of Antichrist that has come into the world. 1John4:3.
 

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There is one more criteria that John laid out to someone who is an "antichrist". And that is the person must have been part of the Christianity community, i.e. a confessing Christian at one time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

A modern day example of an antichrist fitting the criteria is Yusuf Estes - a former pastor who became a Muslim. There are several videos by him on You Tube.

But someone who has yet to become a Christian is not an antichrist, as John defined "an antichrist". However, depending on how adamant a person is regarding Jesus - that person though could be under the spirit of Antichrist that has come into the world. 1John4:3.
It's true that those who went out from John and his church or circle of Christians were antichrists, but it's not true that they were formerly Christians. John very specifically said "they were not of us". And he didn't say they ever were "of us". If they were "of us", John said "they would no doubt have continued with us". So, there is no indication there that they were ever Christians. You are wrong about that.

They were the kind of people Jesus talked about here:

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Just because someone is in a church or in a group of Christians doesn't mean they are a Christian or ever were a Christian. As John pointed out regarding the antichrists who were part of his circle, they were not Christians and if they were they would have continued with John and the other Christians. So, there's no way that they could ever have been Christians because John had no doubt that they would have stayed if they were and who are we to doubt John about that?

Also, John was not saying that the only ones who are antichrists are those who are part of a church and later leave. He was talking about those particular antichrists, but he also included anyone who denies Christ as being those who are antichrists.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Nothing here about him only talking about those who were "of us" and then left. This is just a blanket statement. Any person who denies Jesus Christ "is a deceiver and an antichrist".
 

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None of what you say changes anything I said. Dispenstationalism will never by true.
I am not speaking Dispenstationalism. I am speaking by the Holy Spirit's teaching.
Gal. 4:21-31

In all of NT. scriptures, there are ONLY two prophetic "mothers" that are spoken of.

One mother "is in bondage with her children" over earthly Jerusalem, that now is (which "is fallen"), being they of Israel and Islam, all generated by Abraham through his two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.

The other "mother" is Jerusalem above, which is free, and the mother of us all (who are of faith in Jesus).
 

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In 1John2:22, "He is antichrist", antichrist in that verse grammatically is known as a "predicate adjective". i.e. it is describing such a person's nature.

In 2John1:7 "This is a deceiver and an antichrist" meaning a person of that sort is antichrist - i.e. one who exhibits the traits of the coming Antichrist.

The coming Antichrist of 1John2:18 is one specific person - who will be anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah. The ones (that referred to as "little children', i.e new Christians) John was speaking to were already aware of that coming one specific person.

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Nope. This is just doctrinally biased nonsense. John made it clear that ANYONE who denies Christ is an antichrist and he said there were MANY antichrists, so to say he was talking about an individual antichrist is to take him completely out of context.

They did not hear that an individual antichrist was coming, they heard "that spirit of antichrist" was coming which all antichrists have.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

So, what they heard was coming was "that spirit of antichrist" that would be in all of the many antichrists that were coming with many already being in the world at that time. Once again you have failed to interpret scripture in context and failed to interpret a verse in such a way that doesn't contradict other scripture.
 
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Nope. This is just doctrinally biased nonsense. John made it clear that ANYONE who denies Christ is an antichrist and he said there were MANY antichrists, so to say he was talking about an individual antichrist is to take him completely out of context.

They did not hear that an individual antichrist was coming, they heard "that spirit of antichrist" was coming which all antichrists have.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

So, what they heard was coming was "that spirit of antichrist" that would be in all of the many antichrists that were coming with many already being in the world at that time. Once again you have failed to interpret scripture in context and failed to interpret a verse in such a way that doesn't contradict other scripture.
Amen!!! My understanding exactly.
 
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It's true that those who went out from John and his church or circle of Christians were antichrists, but it's not true that they were formerly Christians. John very specifically said "they were not of us". And he didn't say they ever were "of us". If they were "of us", John said "they would no doubt have continued with us". So, there is no indication there that they were ever Christians. You are wrong about that
I understand what you are saying. I think though the way to understand what John meant is they we Christians in name only.

Nothing here about him only talking about those who were "of us" and then left. This is just a blanket statement. Any person who denies Jesus Christ "is a deceiver and an antichrist".
No, the other criteria that John spoke of must apply. They must go out from among the community of Christ, even if Christian in name only.
 

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Nope. This is just doctrinally biased nonsense. John made it clear that ANYONE who denies Christ is an antichrist and he said there were MANY antichrists, so to say he was talking about an individual antichrist is to take him completely out of context.
In 1John2:18, the Antichrist is coming.

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

John is comparing the coming Antichrist, to there already being many antichrists - i.e. persons of like nature.