What will happen to Christians who reject the Sabbath?

[BarneyFife]

I agree.


I agree. (sort of) The Sabbath was established in verse 23. The first use of the word Sabbath in the Bible.

Exodus 16:23 NIV
He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded:
‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord.
So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil.
Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’”

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Are we really supposed to believe that the Sabbath is referred to without using the word "Sabbath" in Genesis 2 just so that God can invoke the scene millennia later to signify a regional Mosaic covenant article?

That's a pretty hard technicality for me to wrap my head around, especially considering it's just one more aspect of the new Sabbathology that was nowhere to be found just a few decades ago.

I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt, SS, but either I'm too thoroughly brainwashed by my cult or the deeper you dig into New Sabbathology (hey, I like that) the more awkwardly it stacks up.

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[BarneyFife]

I welcome anyone to read our discussion.

A good place for them to start would be here:

I just gave you facts. You're the person who has to deal with them, Barney. Take care. Nothing left to say on my end.

Sounds remarkably similar to this, which you later admitted was incorrect:

I only asked you to pray about it. It's up to you though.
I'm done here. i'm not looking for a reply

There's much more than "just facts" being offered. Your capacity for diversion and self-justification aren't very well-disguised.

By the way, passive-aggressive replies are still replies and critical comments to third parties are just, well, pretty tacky and unChrist-like. All you have to do is stop misbehaving. You know, no punches after you ring the bell?

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[PS95]

A good place for them to start would be here:



Sounds remarkably similar to this, which you later admitted was incorrect:



There's much more than "just facts" being offered. Your capacity for diversion and self-justification aren't very well-disguised.

By the way, passive-aggressive replies are still replies and critical comments to third parties are just, well, pretty tacky and unChrist-like. All you have to do is stop misbehaving. You know, no punches after you ring the bell?

Why start at the end? lol what is your deal? I'm sorry that you are struggling with the facts, Barney. I really am, but that's all I gave you.
Either, you agree with your church & your bro on this or you dont. You can not do both.

There is nothing left to say on this topic. I'm not angry with you. It is a dead horse though. Take care!!!

 

[JohnDB]

Oh, I can answer them. This isn't my first rodeo. But you posed your questions and points in response to a claim I've made that you refuse to address. I'm sure you're hoping I've gotten distracted by now and have forgotten that, but I haven't.



No, I claim, and rightly so, that you're moving the goal posts around. I'm unimpressed with your explanation of the theories. I'm only interested in seeing evidence that the church either taught the goofy, neo-new covenant theories folks are now espousing on the Internet, or that they had an entirely erroneous view of how to observe the 4th commandment—which you're still dancing around doing.



This is pretty much standard, usually late-stage argument, uninformed ad hominem. But it's to be expected, I guess.

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You have not yet addressed The Sabbath Commandment.
Instead you pointed at a subsequent law concerning Saturday worship which was one of the 613 laws now defunct


So....address what I specifically asked.

There IS NO COLLECTIVE SINGULAR IN HEBREW. THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT IS SINGULAR.

WHY?

Then there's the whole of the New Testament.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We need to be straightforward when it comes to Gods truth

God's Truth is... the sabbath observance was given as a command under the old covenant

We be in the New Covenant now.

Of course this all makes you feel superior to others who do not embrace your religious teachings.

There's no correction in the NT condemning those not observing saturday by Jesus or His Apostles so good luck adding to the Word of God

 

[BarneyFife]

Why start at the end? lol what is your deal? I'm sorry that you are struggling with the facts, Barney. I really am, but that's all I gave you.
Either, you agree with your church & your bro on this or you dont. You can not do both.

There is nothing left to say on this topic. I'm not angry with you. It is a dead horse though. Take care!!!

You have not yet addressed The Sabbath Commandment.
Instead you pointed at a subsequent law concerning Saturday worship which was one of the 613 laws now defunct


So....address what I specifically asked.

There IS NO COLLECTIVE SINGULAR IN HEBREW. THE SABBATH COMMANDMENT IS SINGULAR.

WHY?

Then there's the whole of the New Testament.

God's Truth is... the sabbath observance was given as a command under the old covenant

We be in the New Covenant now.

Of course this all makes you feel superior to others who do not embrace your religious teachings.

There's no correction in the NT condemning those not observing saturday by Jesus or His Apostles so good luck adding to the Word of God

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[St. SteVen]

Are we really supposed to believe that the Sabbath is referred to without using the word "Sabbath" in Genesis 2 just so that God can invoke the scene millennia later to signify a regional Mosaic covenant article?

It's a curious thing.
My view is that the Sabbath points to creation, not the other way around. But... ???

If the Sabbath was observed from the beginning, when was the first Sabbath for humankind?
A&E were created on the sixth day. God rested on the seventh day after six days of work.
Was that the day He set aside? Did A&E rest on the day after they were created?
Doesn't Sabbath rest come after six days of work?

Actually, I can't find anyone observing the Sabbath prior to Exodus chapter 16.
And later in Exodus we see that the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel.

Exodus 31:13 NIV
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths.
This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come,
so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

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[St. SteVen]

I think we've established in the past (maybe not) that we have widely different views of what constitutes law in the Bible.

And I want to say that I don't have a problem with that.

There are different views available on many things. What is important to me in the Body of Christ, the church. is that we love each other despite our differences. (true unity)

I hope others will follow our example. You and I have been great friends despite our doctrinal/theological differences. It doesn't matter. What matters is Christ and how he draws us together.

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[JohnDB]

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No answer means you LOST.

You have no answer and cannot even begin an attempt to try....because there really is not one except that you are indeed a pharisee and consumed with your self righteousness....

Good luck with that....

 

[BarneyFife]

No answer means you LOST.

You have no answer and cannot even begin an attempt to try....because there really is not one except that you are indeed a pharisee and consumed with your self righteousness....

Good luck with that....

Naturally, I'm totally devastated but I'll try to pick up the pieces of what's left of my miserable life and move on.

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[Dan Clarkston]

Naturally, I'm totally devastated but I'll try to pick up the pieces of what's left of my miserable life and move on.

That's why Andy only lets you have one bullet, and it's a blank!

 

[BarneyFife]

If the Sabbath was observed from the beginning, when was the first Sabbath for humankind?
A&E were created on the sixth day. God rested on the seventh day after six days of work.
Was that the day He set aside? Did A&E rest on the day after they were created?
Doesn't Sabbath rest come after six days of work?

Actually, I can't find anyone observing the Sabbath prior to Exodus chapter 16.
And later in Exodus we see that the Sabbath is a sign between God and Israel.

I'll be frank, because I know you can appreciate that.

I don't have conscious access to the part of my brain that would reason this way, and I'll tell you why:

When I was a child going to Vacation Bible School and all that stuff, I was taught 2 things, very emphatically:

1 - Jesus saves by His blood.

2 - The ten commandments are the unequivocal moral code for mankind.

So, you see, anything that tends to impeach either of these beliefs meets with an intellectual sentry in my brain.

It was quite a struggle even for me to accept that the Sabbath was on the 7th day of the week, rather than the 1st. But the evidence was uber-overwhelming.

There's nothing in me that sees any harm from, or objects to the Sabbath (since we're obviously not calling into question belief #1)) at all.

I'm completely convinced of not only it's perpetuity as a law, but also as a blessing that far outweighs any hindrances to its observance.

All of the fuss about why and whether it's a necessary practice is, to me, like studying a foreign language in which I am completely unable to think. I recognize it and I know all the words but I don't "get it."

It's like when Clint Eastwood was in that movie where he had to steal that Russian jet and operate it with his mind, so he had to think in Russian. I'd have never gotten it off the ground if I'd had to think in Sabbath-objection language.

I'm rambling now.

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[St. SteVen]

I'll be frank, because I know you can appreciate that.

Indeed. Great post, thanks. Much appreciated.

I have an image in my mind of you and I on a tennis court at the beginning (or end) of a match.
The part of the game, at beginning and end where the opponents reach over the net and shake hands.
The unspoken statement in that gesture is that no matter who wins this game, we are still friends.

When this subject of Sabbath and the law comes up between us, I have to restrain myself. And I believe you are doing the same. Because in the past 20+ years, any Sabbatarian that met me on this court ended up hating me. Frankly, not a good look for either one of us. After all, we serve the same Lord. "... Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind." - Romans 14:5 NIV

None of these confrontations would have been necessary but for one thing.

Neither side, be it seventh day or first day, can declare their choice of day as God's choice of day without condemning the other side.

I knew some Messianic Christians before I met a SDA. I even attended a Sabbath dinner with the Messianic Christians and joined them for worship on a Sunday once or twice. As a young adult I did a Summer missions trip to Golders Green in the UK to evangelize the Jews living there. Jewish Christians were welcome to stay in our home when I was growing up. I am not in the least antisemitic. I have read the entire Bible including the OT, obviously. I get it.

But when I finally met a SDA on a forum. I encountered this claim about God's Holy Day. The Seventh Day Sabbath. It didn't happen right away. He and I were great Christians friends up to this point. No indications of anything wrong up to that point. Then he popped the question: "Why are you only keeping nine of the Ten Commandments?" Which I took as an innocent question, because we were Christian friends. I trusted him.

A little friendly banter turned into a serious discussion. That serious discussion soon became a blood bath of evidence from both sides. This is a horribly contentious issue within Christianity. Even this topic, currently at page 18 only carries an inference in the title. I haven't read the whole topic. Did the topic starter ever answer the question? - @Hobie - I didn't see it on page one. The obvious inference is that "Sabbath breakers" are separated from God for all eternity. How should I respond to such a pathetically disrespectful inference? In love, of course.

What will happen to Christians who reject the Sabbath?​

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[St. SteVen]

None of these confrontations would have been necessary but for one thing.

Neither side, be it seventh day or first day, can declare their choice of day as God's choice of day without condemning the other side.

@Hobie and all readers and respondents to this topic...

This needs to be the point of discussion on this subject. The divisiveness of pushing your position on Sabbath on others.

Romans 14:4 NIV
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall.
And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

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[BarneyFife]

That's why Andy only lets you have one bullet, and it's a blank!

Barney Fife's (figurative, of course) bullet is definitely not a blank. Lol - you just couldn't resist.

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[Dan Clarkston]

Barney Fife's (figurative, of course) bullet is definitely not a blank. Lol - you just couldn't resist.

I saw the show... occasionally he would accidentally discharge his weapon and fire his only bullet... and it was a blank!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

"What will happen to all those Christians who don't worship on the Sabbath?"

Better is: What happens to all those who rest In The Lord Jesus Christ, and worship Him
24/7/365? (hint: 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV), eh?

Amen.

 

[BarneyFife]

I saw the show... occasionally he would accidentally discharge his weapon and fire his only bullet... and it was a blank!

I know you can't stand the idea that you could be wrong, but it wasn't a blank and you don't know what you're talking about, as usual.

Also, it looks like you're denying/ignoring the elephant in the room.



Look familiar? It should, Big Boy.

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[marks]

If you are dead to the Law that you may serve Christ, isn't it spiritual adultery to return to the Law?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Better is: What happens to all those who rest In The Lord Jesus Christ, and worship Him
24/7/365? (hint: 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV), eh?

Amen.

What happens to those who don't keep the Sabbath? They have more time for chores.

Much love!