"Not my God. Not my Jesus."

[Truthseeker9]

Again, Islam is wholly incompatible with Christianity, and all these arguments you've presented strike me the same way. "Let's ignore the specifics of the Bible so we can blend all gods together into one." This means effectively you have no god, because the only god you can come up with is hopelessly conflicted being of your own design. Just like those who pray to blocks of carved and gilded wood.

Is Christianity wholly incompatible with Judaism, as set out by Moses? The God of Moses is Jesus' God.

 

[Matthias]

“Dear Waheguru, our one true God.” - Harmeet K. Dhillon

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“There is one God. We all believe in the same God.” - Harmeet K. Dhillon

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@Pancho Frijoles

Waheguru is not my God; Yahweh, the Messiah’s God and Father, alone is. John 17:3.

 

[Jesusfollower]

Is Christianity wholly incompatible with Judaism, as set out by Moses? The God of Moses is Jesus' God.

It is compatible, Jesus being a jew is the proof. Christianity is not compatible with the modified rigid, loveless form of Judaism practised by the pharisees however. Jesus was very different from the pharisees, his way is the way all must follow. He is the Only way to Eternal Life.

Peace.

 

[marks]

Is Christianity wholly incompatible with Judaism, as set out by Moses? The God of Moses is Jesus' God.

Moses foretold the coming Christ, and instructed all Israel that they were to listen to him, or be cut off. So yes, Christianity is compatible with Judaism as set forth by Moses, as it anticipated Christ's coming and a change of the Law.

Before, you were to obey the Law, now you are to listen to the Prophet. Not that He would change the Law or go against it, just, that you are to heed Him.

Much love!

 

[Matthias]

“Not my God. Not my Jesus.” Not my day if I do nothing about it.

 

[GTW27]

“Not my God. Not my Jesus.” Not my day if I do nothing about it.

I believe his heart was touched on one day. But who could see it?

 

[Matthias]

I believe his heart was touched on one day. But who could see it?

Who?

 

[GTW27]

Who?

Not who what. A seed was planted.

 

[Matthias]

Not who what. A seed was planted.

“His” isn’t a who?

“Who” is a what?

I’m not following your train of thought in post #206.

 

[GTW27]

“His” isn’t a who?

“Who” is a what?

I’m not following your train of thought in post #206.

It is the Word of God that touches the heart. It throws off the plan, if only for a day.

 

[Johann]

It is the Word of God that touches the heart. It throughs off the plan if only for a day.

It "throughs" off the "plan" for a day---interesting--chapter and verse? Probably a "disengagement of the head/mind"

 

[Matthias]

It is the Word of God that touches the heart. It throughs off the plan if only for a day.

“Throughs off”?

“I believe his heart was touched on one day. But who could see it?”

I’m afraid I’m still not following your thought.

 

[GTW27]

“Throughs off”?

“I believe his heart was touched on one day. But who could see it?”

I’m afraid I’m still not following your thought.

I tried to pm you but was not able. I will leave it as this. There was some words spoken that touched his heart.

 

[Johann]

I tried to pm you but was not able. I will leave it as this. There was some words spoken that touched his heart.

Chapter and verse please--

 

[Matthias]

 

[Zao is life]

It is compatible, Jesus being a jew is the proof. Christianity is not compatible with the modified rigid, loveless form of Judaism practised by the pharisees however. Jesus was very different from the pharisees, his way is the way all must follow. He is the Only way to Eternal Life.

Peace.

On a percentage basis the non-Christian Jews of today are more loving than many Christians, and have far more humility.

I do not believe that the New Covenant is compatible with the Old Covenant.

Jesus is a Jew and so are all our teachers the apostles, (they still teach us Gentiles through the scriptures they wrote) but I do not believe that the New Covenant in Messiah's blood is compatible with the Old Covenant.

New Covenant = Christ makes us holy through faith in Him, and that holiness produces the fruit of the Spirit in those who abide in Him.

Old Covenant = obedience to the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit, and that obedience formed the basis of the Covenant God made with Israel through Moses, who was the mediator of that covenant.

That covenant was broken by the people (Jeremiah 31:31) and was proved ineffective for its purpose - not because the law itself was not holy or is not holy - but because as with us, obedience to the law could not produce holiness in anyone because like us, they could not fulfill that requirement of obedience to the law as required by the law, because they were sons of Adam and inherited the same propensity to sin that we have.

That's why God promised them a New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31).

New Covenant = Christ makes us holy through faith in Him, and that holiness produces the fruit of the Spirit in those who abide in Him.

The law is the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit - the fruit produced by the holiness of Christ that Christ imparts to the one abiding in Him.

So I do not believe that the New Covenant is compatible with the Old Covenant, but my Lord is a Jew and I'm glad.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Allah is the same god worshiped by Jews and Christians

That's what the deceived people keep claiming... it's the ecumenical movement setting the stage for the coming one world religion which is satanic

 

[Zao is life]

Let me start with a story. I'll be changing the real names for confidentiality issues.

James Jr was 30 when his mother told him that James Sr, the man who he had always thought to be his father was not his biological father. His biological father was Dr Taylor, the family doctor. Dr Taylor was a friend of the family for years, and actually James always felt a vague affective affinity to that man. Along with such news, James learnt that he had half-brothers (those of Dr Taylor with his wife). ​

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Instead of finding out the evidence or details that support his mom's revelation, James started thinking "My mom is most likely referring to another James Sr and to another Dr Taylor, since James Sr is my dad, and Dr Taylor is the family doctor". ​

This thread is for you to rehearse apologetics regarding the idea that is getting somewhat popular in the Internet, that Allah is not the God who Jews and Christians worship, and that the Jesus that Jehovah Witnesses follow as their Savior is not the Jesus that Christianity follows as their Savior.

• In regard to Allah, this thread is NOT to point out to the differences we all know between Islam and Judaism or Christianism, but to discuss why these differences should/should not make us consider Allah as "another God".
• In regard to the JW, this thread is NOT to argue in favor or against the deity of Jesus, since such topic is not permitted by the rules of the Forum. The point is to discuss why, regardless of the opinion JW and Christians have about His metaphysical nature/origin, such Jesus should / should not be considered "another Jesus".

As a starting point, my thesis is that Allah is the same God worshipped by Jews and Christians, and Jesus is the same Jesus followed by JW and the rest of Christians. What is different is the discourse these groups have about God or Jesus, in aspects that are not essential for worship or salvation.
The importance or recognizing this is that it enables us to speak about God with Muslims, and about Jesus with Jehovah Witnesses, on the shared assumption that we are interested in worshipping the same God and following the same Jesus.

Going back to my story, I found absurd for James Jr to think that his mother was referring to "another James Sr" or "another Dr Taylor", even if the information James Jr has got represents a major change in how he will perceive those two men.

IMO what is different between Allah of Mohammed and his Koran and God consists in the things that Allah teaches believers about how they should react to non-Muslims in the later revelations contained in the Koran, and that's just for a start.

 

[Johann]

IMO what is different between Allah of Mohammed and his Koran and God consists in the things that Allah teaches believers about how they should react to non-Muslims in the later revelations contained in the Koran, and that's just for a start.

Why concerned as to what the Quran has to say?

The compilation of the Qur'an occurred several centuries after the formation of the Bible. To provide a detailed timeline:

The Bible:

The Old Testament or Hebrew Bible was written and compiled over a span of centuries. Significant portions, including the Torah (Pentateuch), were likely written between the 12th and 5th centuries BCE.
The New Testament was written in the 1st century CE, with the earliest texts (Pauline epistles) dating from around 50-60 CE and the latest (Revelation) around 90-100 CE. The canonization of the New Testament books was largely completed by the end of the 4th century CE.
The Qur'an:

The Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad over a period of approximately 23 years, from 610 to 632 CE. The compilation of the Qur'an into a single book occurred shortly after Muhammad's death.
The first compilation of the Qur'an into a written form was undertaken during the caliphate of Abu Bakr (r. 632-634 CE) and was completed by the end of the 7th century CE under the third caliph, Uthman ibn Affan (r. 644-656 CE). The standardized text was established around 650 CE.
Timeline Comparison:
Old Testament: The texts began to be written around the 12th century BCE.
New Testament: Written in the 1st century CE.
Qur'an: Revealed between 610-632 CE and compiled into a standardized text around 650 CE.
Thus, the Qur'an was compiled approximately 6 to 7 centuries after the New Testament, and about 16 to 17 centuries after the earliest texts of the Old Testament.

 

[Zao is life]

Why concerned as to what the Quran has to say?

The compilation of the Qur'an occurred several centuries after the formation of the Bible. To provide a detailed timeline:

The Bible:

The Old Testament or Hebrew Bible was written and compiled over a span of centuries. Significant portions, including the Torah (Pentateuch), were likely written between the 12th and 5th centuries BCE.
The New Testament was written in the 1st century CE, with the earliest texts (Pauline epistles) dating from around 50-60 CE and the latest (Revelation) around 90-100 CE. The canonization of the New Testament books was largely completed by the end of the 4th century CE.
The Qur'an:

The Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad over a period of approximately 23 years, from 610 to 632 CE. The compilation of the Qur'an into a single book occurred shortly after Muhammad's death.
The first compilation of the Qur'an into a written form was undertaken during the caliphate of Abu Bakr (r. 632-634 CE) and was completed by the end of the 7th century CE under the third caliph, Uthman ibn Affan (r. 644-656 CE). The standardized text was established around 650 CE.
Timeline Comparison:
Old Testament: The texts began to be written around the 12th century BCE.
New Testament: Written in the 1st century CE.
Qur'an: Revealed between 610-632 CE and compiled into a standardized text around 650 CE.
Thus, the Qur'an was compiled approximately 6 to 7 centuries after the New Testament, and about 16 to 17 centuries after the earliest texts of the Old Testament.

I agree, and there would be no need to pay any attention to it or be concerned with it but we should be at least basically aware of what the Koran has to say because many Muslims use what some of the Koran says about non-Muslims and how they should react to non-Muslims against everyone else, and some even murder their own if they do not follow it all literally - like Isis did.