This shall come to pass when the seventh angel sounds the end of time for this world, and the fire of God's wrath shall be poured out upon all the earth when Christ comes again. You think of the Day of the Lord as one day in one thousand years to come! In doing this you look for everything written of Old to be fulfilled when Christ comes the Second time. But all that is written regarding the promised Messiah who was to come is being fulfilled throughout this time/age/Day of the Lord since the first advent of Christ come to earth a man. And this Day of the Lord, the Messianic age of Gospel grace shall be finished when the seventh angel sounds.
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This shall come to pass when the seventh angel sounds the end of time for this world, and the fire of God's wrath shall be poured out upon all the earth when Christ comes again. You think of the Day of the Lord as one day in one thousand years to come! In doing this you look for everything written of Old to be fulfilled when Christ comes the Second time. But all that is written regarding the promised Messiah who was to come is being fulfilled throughout this time/age/Day of the Lord since the first advent of Christ come to earth a man. And this Day of the Lord, the Messianic age of Gospel grace shall be finished when the seventh angel sounds.
Spiritual Israelite
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Nothing but the sound of crickets in response to this post. Premils have no interest in making any effort to make sure their interpretations don't contradict any other scripture. And they don't allow the NT to shine light on the OT for them.
Then the nations which come against Jerusalem in zech 14 and take it ransacking the houses and raping the women,also come against Jerusalem at the time of the end because if they had come against Jerusalem at any other time in history,God would have missed his chance .
This makes all.of zech 14 an end times prophecy.
Spiritual Israelite
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If you look closely there it says it becomes the kingdom "of our Lord and of his Messiah". So, "our Lord" there is referring to God the Father. He doesn't begin to reign until Jesus delivers His kingdom to the Father when He returns.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
You can't have the Father reigning before "the end" when Jesus comes. He has put His Son in charge of the kingdom until then, as passages like Matthew 28:16-18 make clear.
Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
When Jesus comes it will be the end and He will deliver the kingdom to the Father at that point. And, at that point, the last enemy, death, will have been destroyed and defeated.
And He will come at the seventh and last trumpet to accomplish that.
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Premils don't have the last enemy, death, being defeated until 1,000+ years after Christ returns, but scripture says death will be defeated and "swallowed up in victory" when Jesus returns at the last trumpet, which is the last prophetic trumpet and therefore is the same as the seventh trumpet of Revelation.
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Where do you see anything like that described anywhere in the New Testament? You don't, right? So, how does your interpretation of Zechariah 14 line up with what is taught in the NT? Do you think the NT authors didn't know how to interpret Zechariah 14 correctly? What they taught contradicts your understanding of Zechariah 14. Does that not concern you?
You need to understand the difference between those in unbelief ruled and reigned over by the god of this world who has blinded their minds that they cannot believe the Gospel to be saved. Christ rules and reigns over HIS PEOPLE, whosoever follows Him. Those who remain of their father the devil is destined to destruction and will not have Christ ruling over them.
So you preach that Christ will.never be king over all the earth?
Zech 14
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
You believe Christ will never receive the kingdom.of this world he has been promised?
Revelation 11
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”
You believe evil.men shall rule the world for eternity.
Why would Christ rule and reign over a world and unbelievers that is destined to destruction by fire? Christ is ruling and reigning over His people NOW from the Kingdom of God in heaven. When the final trumpet sounds that time given this earth has come to an end, then Christ with His saints shall rule and reign over the NEW earth that shall NEVER end.
Spiritual Israelite
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Do you know how it makes you look when you are so ignorant of what others believe? I'll give you a hint. Not good.
We amillennialists teach that He is king over all the earth now because scripture explicitly teaches that.
Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
Why are you ignoring everything I post from.the word of God?
The Lord reigns over the world when the nations are being destroyed by fire in zech 14.Your ignoring everything Zechariah has written.
Mathew 13:41-42 is about the same event when Christ recieves his kingdom.upon earth.Everyome in his kingdom who do evil.are destroyed by fire.
Mathew 13:41-42
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
You ask,why would Christ reign over them who do evil when the word of God says them who do evil.are consumed when he comes into his kingdom.
Spiritual Israelite
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You mean like you're doing to me? What a hypocrite you are. And you also think Paul didn't fully know what he was talking about in his letters. You have made that clear. You have been exposed as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Don't think that I won't keep reminding people of that.
Oh wait.You believe Christ is already reigning over sinners and them who do evil in his kingdom .
Mathew 13:41-42
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Im betting you don't know what kingdom Jesus is talking about here.
I actually have you on ignore but for some reason some of you garbage makes it through.
Your garbage isn't worth my time
Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. That reason is obviously because you purposely still take a look at what I'm saying sometimes because you miss me. The ignore feature works here. I know that because I have a few people on ignore as well. It works without fail. So, I know you are lying here. That is typical of you.
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You did ignore Spiritual Israelite but you actually unignore him for a moment to read his message and it still triggers you. LOL. You don't fool us. Ignoring feature here isn't perfect, it just prevent you from reading his message, but he can see your message and respond to it for others to read. You can't stop him. FUNNY!
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Oh, did another one somehow get through? Aw, too bad. I guess you'll have to contact support to figure that out for you. LOL. Miraculously, that never happens to me for the people on my Ignore list. Go figure. I guess you're just unlucky.
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This guy is definitely a liar. And I'm telling everyone I come across about how he undermines the teachings of Paul and says we can't trust Paul because he didn't have a full understanding of prophecy (a big lie!), but can only trust what is written by John and Peter. As if Paul's writings are not inspired by the Holy Spirit! That is essentially what this guy believes.
He even undermined what Mark wrote in Mark 13:27 when I showed him how Mark added a detail regarding the gathering of the elect when Jesus returns that Matthew didn't include in Matthew 24:31. This guy is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I have exposed him and he doesn't like it.
No ,I didn't unignore him.
I believe I have figured it out though.
I'm used to hitting the last post on my thread.
If his is the last post then it shows it.
When I answered your post,his post vanished.
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