Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false (Despite my love for them as human beings)

[PS95]

No God didn't, he did however root out the fakes like you.

I was never a Jw-- and sorry, no beard.
If i can't get you to be honest enough to admit that the bible (GOD) never taught against something simple as beards-- how can I ever get you to see how they twist and mangle the bible to come up with other more complicated false teachings?
Seems I can't because you just refuse to be honest. This is the initial trouble with Jws- no baseline honesty. All bragging with how wonderful your religion is while accusing all others, the self-righteousness is just exhausting.

 

[hies]

Jesus said its to those who work iniquity=practice a sin or willfull sin

No it's not about wilful sin. Those people didn't say "but Lord I believed you died for my sins so I could continue sinning all I wanted"... They said "I did many mighty good things in your name".. they were trusting in themselves, and not in Jesus.

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it." - James 2:10

You are a worker of lawlessness. You are guilty of breaking the whole law just like everyone else. Therefore you cannot be saved by your works, because you've already failed.

You have worked iniquity. On judgement day you're going to tell God "but I did many good things and went door-to-door and did this and I did that"... just like those people saying they prophesied in his name and did many miracles and cast out demons. You're trusting in your own works. And as we've just seen in James 2:10, you're guilty of breaking the whole law. That makes you a worker of lawlessness!

So no amount of work on your part will save you. Someone has to pay for your sins for you. This is not of yourself or your own doing. It is the gift of God through Christ Jesus our Lord.

But yes, when you believe Jesus has paid for your sins and you repent of them, good works will follow. How can you believe in your heart that your sins deserve death and continue doing them? In believing Jesus died for them, you believe your sins deserve death.

If you think his UNDESERVED favour (grace) means you can sin all you want, then it shows you haven't repented of your sins, and it shows you can't possibly really believe that they deserve death, or that Jesus paid that death penalty for you.

Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? - Romans 2:4

Repentance is not works. It's a change in heart and belief about your sins. You ask God for forgiveness, and trust Jesus paid the penalty for you.

But let's make this very clear: even asking to be forgiven is not what saves you. People in Islam repent as well and ask for forgiveness. Nothing that YOU DO will ever save you. It's purely by trusting in Christ's sacrifice for you that saves you.

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9

NOT FROM YOURSELVES
NOT BY WORKS
GIFT OF GOD
GRACE = UNDESERVED FAVOUR
FAITH = TRUSTING IN HIM FOR YOUR SALVATION

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing! - Galatians 2:21

This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile - Romans 3:22

RIGHTEOUSNESS COMES THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS AND WHAT HE DID FOR YOU. NOT FROM YOUR GOOD DEEDS OR WORKS. BECAUSE IF IT COULD COME FROM YOUR GOOD DEEDS AND WORKS CHRIST DIED FOR NOTHING.

Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. - Romans 10:4

HE FULFILLED THE LAW FOR YOU

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. - 2 Corinthians 5:21

AND HE DIED FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS

HE LIVED THE LIFE YOU SHOULD HAVE LIVED AND DIED THE DEATH YOU SHOULD HAVE DIED

SO IT IS NOT WHAT YOU DO THAT SAVES YOU
IT IS WHAT HE DID FOR YOU THAT SAVES YOU

AND THIS IS NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, LEST YOU SHOULD BOAST AND BE SELF-RIGHTEOUS

 

[Jack]

That is always your answer when you have 0 answer to the facts i post=sad.

Well yeah, because I know it's true. Jesus is God and Hell Fire is EVERLASTING. Which JW's will soon find out.

Misleads billions to not enter Gods kingdom because all servants of non existent false gods are breaking Gods#1 commandment daily--making them a worker of iniquity=Matt 7:21-23= their judgement.

Why don't you quote Scripture? Is that against Governing Body commandments?

 

[Keiw]

I was never a Jw-- and sorry, no beard.
If i can't get you to be honest enough to admit that the bible (GOD) never taught against something simple as beards-- how can I ever get you to see how they twist and mangle the bible to come up with other more complicated false teachings?
Seems I can't because you just refuse to be honest. This is the initial trouble with Jws- no baseline honesty. All bragging with how wonderful your religion is while accusing all others, the self-righteousness is just exhausting.

Thats true, you were never a JW.

 

[Keiw]

No it's not about wilful sin. Those people didn't say "but Lord I believed you died for my sins so I could continue sinning all I wanted"... They said "I did many mighty good things in your name".. they were trusting in themselves, and not in Jesus.

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it." - James 2:10

You are a worker of lawlessness. You are guilty of breaking the whole law just like everyone else. Therefore you cannot be saved by your works, because you've already failed.

You have worked iniquity. On judgement day you're going to tell God "but I did many good things and went door-to-door and did this and I did that"... just like those people saying they prophesied in his name and did many miracles and cast out demons. You're trusting in your own works. And as we've just seen in James 2:10, you're guilty of breaking the whole law. That makes you a worker of lawlessness!

So no amount of work on your part will save you. Someone has to pay for your sins for you. This is not of yourself or your own doing. It is the gift of God through Christ Jesus our Lord.

But yes, when you believe Jesus has paid for your sins and you repent of them, good works will follow. How can you believe in your heart that your sins deserve death and continue doing them? In believing Jesus died for them, you believe your sins deserve death.

If you think his UNDESERVED favour (grace) means you can sin all you want, then it shows you haven't repented of your sins, and it shows you can't possibly really believe that they deserve death, or that Jesus paid that death penalty for you.

Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? - Romans 2:4

Repentance is not works. It's a change in heart and belief about your sins. You ask God for forgiveness, and trust Jesus paid the penalty for you.

But let's make this very clear: even asking to be forgiven is not what saves you. People in Islam repent as well and ask for forgiveness. Nothing that YOU DO will ever save you. It's purely by trusting in Christ's sacrifice for you that saves you.

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9

NOT FROM YOURSELVES
NOT BY WORKS
GIFT OF GOD
GRACE = UNDESERVED FAVOUR
FAITH = TRUSTING IN HIM FOR YOUR SALVATION

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing! - Galatians 2:21

This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile - Romans 3:22

RIGHTEOUSNESS COMES THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS AND WHAT HE DID FOR YOU. NOT FROM YOUR GOOD DEEDS OR WORKS. BECAUSE IF IT COULD COME FROM YOUR GOOD DEEDS AND WORKS CHRIST DIED FOR NOTHING.

Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. - Romans 10:4

HE FULFILLED THE LAW FOR YOU

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. - 2 Corinthians 5:21

AND HE DIED FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS

HE LIVED THE LIFE YOU SHOULD HAVE LIVED AND DIED THE DEATH YOU SHOULD HAVE DIED

SO IT IS NOT WHAT YOU DO THAT SAVES YOU
IT IS WHAT HE DID FOR YOU THAT SAVES YOU

AND THIS IS NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, LEST YOU SHOULD BOAST AND BE SELF-RIGHTEOUS

Read it--Jesus said it was to those who work iniquity

 

[Keiw]

Well yeah, because I know it's true. Jesus is God and Hell Fire is EVERLASTING. Which JW's will soon find out.

Why don't you quote Scripture? Is that against Governing Body commandments?

Look them up. Its like my friend says--If all bibles were opened at once a huge dust storm would occur.

 

[hies]

Read it--Jesus said it was to those who work iniquity

And read what I said. You have worked iniquity. James 2:10 says so.

However, it's very clear you only read the first line or two of my reply. That's very disingenuous of you. Automatically assuming you're right while dismissing everything else I've said = you don't care about the truth = you're wrong.

 

[Keiw]

And read what I said. You have worked iniquity. James 2:10 says so.

However, it's very clear you only read the first line or two of my reply. That's very disingenuous of you. Automatically assuming you're right while dismissing everything else I've said = you don't care about the truth = you're wrong.

Yes they thought their love for Jesus was so good they did powerful works and the such in Jesus'name, for Jesus. But Jesus was saying--no matter what you think you did for me or loved me to do it, if you work iniquity you will hear these words as judgement. Get away from me you who work iniquity, i must confess i never even knew you. I am positive some blind guide assured them-you are saved. All blind guides tell others that, yet they do not know.

 

[hies]

Yes they thought their love for Jesus was so good they did powerful works and the such in Jesus'name, for Jesus. But Jesus was saying--no matter what you think you did for me or loved me to do it, if you work iniquity you will hear these words as judgement. Get away from me you who work iniquity, i must confess i never even knew you. I am positive some blind guide assured them-you are saved. All blind guides tell others that, yet they do not know.

Absolutely correct! They thought their love for Jesus is what saved them! Just as you think your love for God is what saves you too you worker of iniquity you!

"This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins." - 1 John 4:10

 

[Jack]

Look them up. Its like my friend says--If all bibles were opened at once a huge dust storm would occur.

Is that why JW's EVADE Scripture like plague? Even the JW bible teaches that Jesus is God and Hell Fire is EVERLASTING! Why do you reject your own JW bible?

 

[PS95]

Thats true, you were never a JW.

Nope, but I know what you teach-- and I thank the Lord for leading me away and into His arms.

 

[Jack]

Thats true, you were never a JW.

Thank God/Jesus!

 

[PS95]

Yes they thought their love for Jesus was so good they did powerful works and the such in Jesus'name, for Jesus. But Jesus was saying--no matter what you think you did for me or loved me to do it, if you work iniquity you will hear these words as judgement. Get away from me you who work iniquity, i must confess i never even knew you. I am positive some blind guide assured them-you are saved. All blind guides tell others that, yet they do not know.

Notice Keiw- they prophecied in HIS NAME. Obviously Falsely. Wake up please!!

 

[PS95]

Look them up. Its like my friend says--If all bibles were opened at once a huge dust storm would occur.

especially if it they were in the KH turned to Romans chapter 6 !

 

[Keiw]

Absolutely correct! They thought their love for Jesus is what saved them! Just as you think your love for God is what saves you too you worker of iniquity you!

"This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins." - 1 John 4:10

Heb 10:26 shows you twist that scripture= There is no sacrifice left for any who practice( or willfull) sin.

 

[PS95]

Heb 10:26 shows you twist that scripture= There is no sacrifice left for any who practice( or willfull) sin.

Keiw- please read that in it's context so you will understand better.

 

[hies]

Heb 10:26 shows you twist that scripture= There is no sacrifice left for any who practice( or willfull) sin.

Keiw, how about you actually read what I wrote here? Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false (Despite my love for them as human beings)

Because I addressed the ones who think grace means you can sin all you want. The Lord Lord verse was not talking about them though.

There's the false gospel of saved by works, and the false gospel of grace means you can continue sinning. But if you're not going to even read what I wrote, why even bother responding to me? Please do me the courtesy of not replying to me if you don't read what I wrote. Thanks.

 

[hies]

Heb 10:26 shows you twist that scripture= There is no sacrifice left for any who practice( or willfull) sin.

Also this contradicts your belief that you need works to be saved:
"However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness." - Romans 4:5

Yes repentance is necessary, so you can't keep wilfully sinning. But repentance is not works. You will never be saved by your works.

Read this: What does James 2:24 mean? | BibleRef.com

Context is the key to all Bible study, and especially for resolving apparent contradictions. In Paul's writings, it is clear he is describing "justification" in the sense of salvation: being declared righteous by God. James, according to this context, is referring to "justification" in the sense of proof for human beings. Faith saves, says James, but "saving faith" cannot be a mere intellectual opinion, which produces no resulting actions.

If you do not believe this interpretation, then your interpretation is a contradiction. This interpretation is the only way to reconcile these two passages, proving it is the correct one.

 

[Keiw]

Keiw, how about you actually read what I wrote here? Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false (Despite my love for them as human beings)

Because I addressed the ones who think grace means you can sin all you want. The Lord Lord verse was not talking about them though.

There's the false gospel of saved by works, and the false gospel of grace means you can continue sinning. But if you're not going to even read what I wrote, why even bother responding to me? Please do me the courtesy of not replying to me if you don't read what I wrote. Thanks.

I responded to a later post you had written.

 

[Keiw]

Also this contradicts your belief that you need works to be saved:
"However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness." - Romans 4:5

Yes repentance is necessary, so you can't keep wilfully sinning. But repentance is not works. You will never be saved by your works.

Read this: What does James 2:24 mean? | BibleRef.com


If you do not believe this interpretation, then your interpretation is a contradiction. This interpretation is the only way to reconcile these two passages, proving it is the correct one.

I don't teach ones works will save them. Obeying will get one saved. Ones works builds a strong living faith that will stand under pressures. Faith without works is dead. And will not stand under pressures because that ones faith is worthless.
There is no pick and choose. Jesus was 100% clear--Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God=OT-NT--Those who obey Jesus learn and apply Every utterance from God, studying NEVER stops.