The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

[WPM]

I missed the part where I said it was a rapture passage. Daniel 9 shows the 70th week of Daniel which is about the people Daniel.

Exactly. It has nothing to do with an imaginary Pretrib rapture, tribulation period or a 3rd coming. It is long-fulfilled through Christ's Messianic ministry.

 

[WPM]

If you can go three days without asking about my 7 year tribulation............................I don't think you can do it.

So, you will show me a rapture passage with a trib following in 3 days?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Blahblahblahblahblah....see, I proved you wrong. Irrefutable.

Are you just incapable of making a coherent argument? Is that why we don't see you even attempt to do so?

That "half saved,half left behind" dynamic in no way fits the Noah or lot story.
Yet Jesus used the 2 together to illustrate a pretrib coming.
No way around it. The old saying "when in a hole, stop digging"
That dynamic, has all postribbs on the "blah blah" hamster wheel ,that poorly thought out doctrine guarantees evrrytime.

Game
Set
Match

 

[rebuilder 454]

Exactly. It has nothing to do with an imaginary Pretrib rapture, tribulation period or a 3rd coming. It is long-fulfilled through Christ's Messianic ministry.

Jesus imagined 2 separate comings in mat 24?

 

[rebuilder 454]

You should write your own Bible. You twist every text we discuss and constantly add unto the text because it forbids your error. Pretrib has nothing. Your failure to present one single conclusive proof texts damns your doctrine. It is a man-made Jesuit doctrine. You have been deceived!

....and yet mat 24 has 2 comings.
Vividly portrayed.
But the postrib doctrine originated in pre catholicism and the Catholics adopted it, in alignment to your present doctrine.
Your doctrine, ironically, is rooted in catholicism.
IOW rooted in and is shown to be error.
None of you acknowledge the 2 comings
Jesus laid out in mat 24.
Every single one of you threw every imagined scenario at the half gathered part of mat 24, Luke 17 and mat 25.
I got such a belly laugh Watching the 6 blind men and the elephant, so valiantly determined, that omission equals the pillar of a defeated postrib rapture doctrine.
We left your doctrine in shambles.


Got Bible???
Lol

 

[The Light]

That "half saved,half left behind" dynamic in no way fits the Noah or lot story.
Yet Jesus used the 2 together to illustrate a pretrib coming.

Noah would be pre trib. Lot is post trib...........immediately after the tribulation of those days

Post trib is pre wrath. These guy are post wrath and don't know it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Your fight is with our Lord. He said "few" make it. You say 50 %. I choose His Word over your Left Behind novels. You cannot even exegete a text. This seems to be a Pretrib trait here. If you did you would quickly become Posttrib. You cannot even see what they are left too. That is because it would demolish your error. They are destroyed, as in Lot and Noah's day. You reward the wicked. God judges them.

You still don't get it.
I AGREE 50-50 can not be saved vs unsaved.
I will never fit.
Ahem...that is THE point.
You TRANSPOSE the half to the Noah story without realizing it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOAH.
IOW show me any " half taken/ left" in Noah or Lot.

THE BIBLE SAYS ( Not me, but JESUS) That half of a group are taken ,WHILE ASSOCIATING IT, with pre trib/ judgement stories.
Postribbers try to INCORPORATE it as being a component of the actual story.

I stumbled on that dynamic accidentally. And NONE OF YOU CAN RECONCILE IT.

It literally has ALL OF YOU scrambling madly in the postrib rapture talking points workbook for help

It is hilarious watching you guys roll on the floor in fits over such a simple little thing.
every single one of you has guessed and guessed at it.
None of you is able to unpack it.
I find that hilarious.

Wow

 

[rebuilder 454]

Noah would be pre trib. Lot is post trib...........immediately after the tribulation of those days

Post trib is pre wrath. These guy are post wrath and don't know it.

If they think postrib rapture is the white horses invasion , then they are post wrath indeed.
Which is impossible
Hands down impossible

 

[rebuilder 454]

The 144,000 are killed. They ascend to heaven on death. Hello! You do not seem to see the dead in Christ rising to heaven upon death in your theology.

Just says they are in heaven in the first verses of rev14.
You added "killed"

 

[rebuilder 454]

Does he think we can't see how afraid he is to even attempt to exegete scripture? He knows he can't do it without exposing his false doctrine. I don't know who these people think they are fooling, but they aren't fooling anyone who approaches scripture objectively, that's for sure. That those who are left behind are all killed is made abundantly clear in Luke 17:26-37 and he still denies that. That proves that he believes what he wants to believe regardless of how much scripture contradicts his beliefs.

When are "all killed" in your doctrine.
Remember, ALL ARE KILLED according to you.
Who are they???

 

[rebuilder 454]

Does he think we can't see how afraid he is to even attempt to exegete scripture? He knows he can't do it without exposing his false doctrine. I don't know who these people think they are fooling, but they aren't fooling anyone who approaches scripture objectively, that's for sure. That those who are left behind are all killed is made abundantly clear in Luke 17:26-37 and he still denies that. That proves that he believes what he wants to believe regardless of how much scripture contradicts his beliefs.

No fear.
I can go toe to toe with you or anyone.
Send me your champion.

Once we cut through the postribber fluff of one liners and dead men, the Bible gets ya'll every single time.
Ducks in a barrel.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Genesis 7:11-13 couldn't be more clear, but he has to cut that passage out of his Bible. Just like Luke 17:26-37 which very clearly teaches that those who are not taken and are left are all killed. He denies that clear teaching as well, forcing Him to remove the passage from His Bible. And he would have to remove many more passages from his Bible in order to keep his doctrine afloat. I trust that any objective person following along can see how ridiculous his doctrine is and feels sorry for him that he would believe such nonsense.

Nowhere does it say those left behind are killed.
Nowhere.
That is some postribber workbook farce .
Totally invented.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Noah and his family.


They are true believers who are saved like Noah and his family and like Lot and his daughters. They were taken away from God's wrath on the same day that God's wrath came. It will be like that when Jesus comes and the rapture occurs. We will be taken up to meet the Lord in the air and He will then take vengeance on all of His enemies which will be in the form of "sudden destruction" by fire from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 4:14-5:9, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:3-13).


Where did I say that the flood killed literally every person or that the fire in Sodom killed literally every resident of Sodom? Nowhere. So, what is the name of the straw man you're talking to here? My point is that everyone except for God's people who were taken away from His wrath were killed and that's how it will be when Jesus comes back to take us to Himself as well.

Ahem.
Noah is gathered preflood.
Lot is gathered pre judgement
You have, in som e made up deal, that half the world is saved, half destroyed.
And you are totally unaware that JESUS returns, with the Saints, AT THE END OF THE WRATH.
IOW, your deal has half the planet, loaded into the ark, but AFTER THE FLOOD.
HUH???

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No fear.
I can go toe to toe with you or anyone.
Send me your champion.

LOL. Without fail, the fake tough guys like you are always wrong because they are too prideful to humble themselves and learn anything.

Put your money where you mouth is and exegete the following passage, please.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Once we cut through the postribber fluff of one liners and dead men, the Bible gets ya'll every single time.
Ducks in a barrel.

We have thoroughly exegeted many scripture passages leaving no doubt as to how and why we interpret them as we do. Can you please do the same for once?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ahem.
Noah is gathered preflood.
Lot is gathered pre judgement

And where did I say otherwise? Do you miss that on the SAME DAY they were gathered, God's wrath came down?

You have, in som e made up deal, that half the world is saved, half destroyed.

Not exactly half. You're talking about parables here. If it talks about 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish virgins or one taken and one left, it's not meant to be taken literally as if Jesus was saying one thing would happen to literally half of the people and another thing would happen to literally half of the rest.

And you are totally unaware that JESUS returns, with the Saints, AT THE END OF THE WRATH.

Which wrath are you talking about exactly? Do you understand that wrath will come down on the day Jesus returns (1 Thess 4:14-5:9, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, etc.)? That is what I'm talking about.

IOW, your deal has half the planet, loaded into the ark, but AFTER THE FLOOD.
HUH???

No, I don't. I've never indicated such a ridiculous thing. Stop talking to your straw man and talk to me. You are making yourself look like you have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever.

 

[The Light]

If they think postrib rapture is the white horses invasion , then they are post wrath indeed.
Which is impossible
Hands down impossible

They constantly demand that they need to see the pre rapture in scripture when the Lord says He is coming in an hour they think not.

Then they can't even show us their post wrath rapture in scripture. Its in there somewhere at the 7th trump they claim. But it's not written in scripture.

 

[WPM]

They constantly demand that they need to see the pre rapture in scripture when the Lord says He is coming in an hour they think not.

Then they can't even show us their post wrath rapture in scripture. Its in there somewhere at the 7th trump they claim. But it's not written in scripture.

Nonsense! We have given you post after post, which you have carefully (and repeatedly) skipped around. You simply do not want to know. You prefer the error your teachers have taught you. But you are no longer ignorant!

Address the Op here instead of dodging the obvious. It will show you that the wrath of God's destruction comes at Jesus one and only future coming and removes all the wicked. It sees the righteous rescued in full. You dodge it because it exposes your error.

Please address what you have carefully avoided and you will the Bible forbids your teaching!

The absurdity of Pretrib logic

I want to say at the start, this is not an attack on individual Pretribbers. There are many solid Pretribbers out there. This is a challenge on the doctrine espoused by them. Anyone that has engaged with Pretribbers on forums like this will know that they cannot furnish us with one single proof...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[The Light]

Nonsense! We have given you post after post, which you have carefully (and repeatedly) skipped around. You simply do not want to know. You prefer the error your teachers have taught you. But you are no longer ignorant!

Who are these teachers that you talk of? I keep waiting for you to even find a possibilty.

Address the Op here instead of dodging the obvious. It will show you that the wrath of God's destruction comes at Jesus one and only future coming and removes all the wicked. It sees the righteous rescued in full. You dodge it because it exposes your error.

Jesus comes at the 6th seal

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The wrath of God is the 7th seal

Why is it that nothing you say agrees with the Word. Here is Jesus coming for the 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes of Israel. This shoots down your one and only coming.

Rev 14
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Here is Jesus coming for the harvest at the 6th seal. This also shoots down you one and only coming. Your teachers need to be taught.

Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Please address what you have carefully avoided and you will the Bible forbids your teaching!

The only thing I have avoided is telling you how long the tribulation is. The only reason I have avoided it is because you keep telling me I believe in a 7 year tribulation. Which I don't.

The absurdity of Pretrib logic

I want to say at the start, this is not an attack on individual Pretribbers. There are many solid Pretribbers out there. This is a challenge on the doctrine espoused by them. Anyone that has engaged with Pretribbers on forums like this will know that they cannot furnish us with one single proof...

www.christianityboard.com

Here is your quote.

"Anyone that has engaged with Pretribbers on forums like this will know that they cannot furnish us with one single proof text to support their teaching. They cannot show you where in Scripture teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by seven-year tribulation, followed by a third coming of the Lord."

Again, I do not believe in a 7 year tribulation. When are you going to prove your flat earth theory?

 

[rebuilder 454]

You are not answering my question. You are ducking around it.

Where is your rapture in Daniel 9? Hello! Is that a difficult question to answer? I put it to you: there is no rapture in the text. You force it in there. This is not a rapture passage. If i am wrong, show me where it is.

You have one verse that says angels gather saints in heaven. In mat 24..
That is your only supposed "smoking gun"
In the rapture, Jesus gathers from earth.
So your only verse is reframed by your one liner workbook.
You got one reframed. Changed verse ,for your entire false deal!!!
You really have no honest doctrine to defend.
You are just looking at " before the flood", then showing us how Jesus was without your understanding.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Nonsense! We have given you post after post, which you have carefully (and repeatedly) skipped around. You simply do not want to know. You prefer the error your teachers have taught you. But you are no longer ignorant!

Address the Op here instead of dodging the obvious. It will show you that the wrath of God's destruction comes at Jesus one and only future coming and removes all the wicked. It sees the righteous rescued in full. You dodge it because it exposes your error.

Please address what you have carefully avoided and you will the Bible forbids your teaching!

The absurdity of Pretrib logic

I want to say at the start, this is not an attack on individual Pretribbers. There are many solid Pretribbers out there. This is a challenge on the doctrine espoused by them. Anyone that has engaged with Pretribbers on forums like this will know that they cannot furnish us with one single proof...

www.christianityboard.com

When half is not 50% and that component ,Declared By Jesus, must be omitted, and you guys manfully declare the word of God is slippery slope....
Well it is obvious some spirit is at work in you to change God's word.

Like I told all postribbers.
I bring the word.
The word and verses you have never seen, then watch you guys go against the bible.

Present the word.
Watch you go against it.
Repeat.