Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from?
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Hi! Good to see ya!The last one I got came from Ollie's Discount Warehouse.
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Dollar Tree Bibles are pretty useful too
Me too!!! I got a super large print bible from the one in Florida!!!!Wow!The last one I got came from Ollie's Discount Warehouse.
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Carl Emerson
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Stumpmaster said:
Exhaustive is to be understood in terms of what God has deemed necessary to communicate through the written word, not implying all that has transpired.
That would mean that God doesn't communicate extra-biblically. No visions, prophecies, words of knowledge, words of wisdom, etc.
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Exhaustive is to be understood in terms of what God has deemed necessary to communicate through the written word, not implying all that has transpired.
Careful...
That would mean that God doesn't communicate extra-biblically. No visions, prophecies, words of knowledge, words of wisdom, etc.
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The original writings by the authors were inspired by God. At that point problems arose.
I know that God knew it would happen as those manuscripts passed through human hands. I also know that God knew how these writings would be manipulated and amended by those seeking power and authority.
After saying all that, I need to point out that there is still truth in the books collectively called "The Bible." I cannot just ignore the passage that says that we no longer have need that anyone teach us. Rather than claim that everyone who walks down the isle as a church invitation to be saved instantly knows all that needs to be known, I believe people need to be taught how to read, study, and pray to God for understanding. I believe that people who come to believe in the One True God and His Son should meet together in community and learn together by sharing thoughts and asking questions.
That is how we are to learn and grow. Rather than the infighting we see here, in community we learn to love and respect each other with humility and kind words.
The Bible is a book fraught with confusing scripture that we try to apply our human logic to - without ever learning about the culture of the people of Israel and their customs and often used terms in language. In short, we are doomed to error without the effort to "diligently seek Him" to understand. We should be helping each other and not try to be "the guy" who can urinate the farthest.
I know that God knew it would happen as those manuscripts passed through human hands. I also know that God knew how these writings would be manipulated and amended by those seeking power and authority.
After saying all that, I need to point out that there is still truth in the books collectively called "The Bible." I cannot just ignore the passage that says that we no longer have need that anyone teach us. Rather than claim that everyone who walks down the isle as a church invitation to be saved instantly knows all that needs to be known, I believe people need to be taught how to read, study, and pray to God for understanding. I believe that people who come to believe in the One True God and His Son should meet together in community and learn together by sharing thoughts and asking questions.
That is how we are to learn and grow. Rather than the infighting we see here, in community we learn to love and respect each other with humility and kind words.
The Bible is a book fraught with confusing scripture that we try to apply our human logic to - without ever learning about the culture of the people of Israel and their customs and often used terms in language. In short, we are doomed to error without the effort to "diligently seek Him" to understand. We should be helping each other and not try to be "the guy" who can urinate the farthest.
Carl Emerson
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Carl Emerson
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I think a lot of the questions dissolve as we encounter Him.
And yet this should be a collective exercise.
I think the 'very elect' will not be deceived because they are in healthy fellowship in which unity grows and the gifts of discernment can operate and the prophetic voice is not muted. Mutual accountability, love, humility, etc.
Sadly a pretty rare culture these days.
Why not just read one or 2 books in that 66 book collection? Reading 66 sounds exhausting to tell the truth. And what did you say... next please!
Stumpmaster
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I like to think I am familiar with every book in the Bible, having read and studied them all. Next comment.
I was wondering who originally came to this conclusion?
I don't know how many believe this but I hope it's only a few.
It's a challenge not to conclude that they mustn't have experienced the ongoing interaction with the Living God and their moreso, experienced God communicating directly with them.
To me that would be devastating. A bit like after getting married to my spouse they went away leaving me with letters they wrote to others. These letters being their only means of revealing themself to me.
To me that is so far from an exhaustive or comprehensive knowledge of the one I have committed my life to til death do us part.
What a shallow limited relationship this would be. I can't understand how anyone could see this as the basis of a healthy growing eternal relationship.
To have no personal contact with my spouse for years or decades would be torture. So to have no personal contact with my Father, Jesus my Friend and the indwelling Spirit would be very devastating.
I was wondering how familiar we are with God speaking His words, communicating His thoughts to us beyond the shorter 66, 73 or little more extensive 81 books of the bibles?
Personally, over the past few years my diet, as it were, has not include the bible. I have fed on what the Spirit has to offer me.
I have grown to love my Father in heaven and His Son Jesus more and more as They have been revealing Themselves to me over this time.
Wow! Fantastic post.
Put the books aside, including the Bible, and seek a personal relationship with the author.
To be clear, the Bible is helpful, but eventually it just gets in the way.
An opaque paper book makes a terrible lens. - LOL
When the Bible eclipses God, it's time to put the book down!
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Yes, I wanted to put my Father in heaven first above anyone and anything. The hardest thing was when I realised the bible became more precious than seeking to know the Spirit Who God the Father had put in me, to take possession of me.
That He was to be my go to person not the bible thing. It became an idol, something that I had set up so as to be my sole guide to lead me into truth, all truth. I know this sounds ridiculous but it was true to me.
After repenting of this worship of the bible, I turned to the Living God within me. It has taken a time to get familiar with Him and in developing a relationship with Him I have a bit of a clearer experiential knowledge of what Jesus was saying about the Spirit of Truth leading us into truth.
Also, what Paul said about the children of God are led by the Spirit of God.
Now with 3 years or so experience in this new relationship I could not turn my back on the relationship I have with this Spirit and return to a relationship with a book. I denied Him for far too long.
If others want to and can be faithful to both, then good for them. But I won't.
Carl Emerson
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Right there is serious error...
With His Spirit, the Bible is His appointed, essential source of Truth.
Yes, direct revelation is a rich resource, but Scripture is an essential moderator.
St. SteVen said:
To be clear, the Bible is helpful, but eventually it just gets in the way.
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To be clear, the Bible is helpful, but eventually it just gets in the way.
That seems like an over-reaction to what I meant.
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Carl Emerson
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In exceptional circumstances a believer might have one scrap of a verse that is treasured where the Bible is banned. In such a case there is not other option but to lean in on Him and hear His Word direct and secretly through other believers.
This however is not the prescribed approach - we are to be immersed in the Scripture which is freely available and with His help learn about what He has already said, what He is saying, and how we are to respond and conduct ourselves individually and corporately.
Further, the Scripture is given for us to establish a truthful world view and become a yardstick to weigh all other writing or verbal claims.
Our relationship with Him is gauged by our relationship with His inspired writings.
Loose the love of His Scripture and you are searching for treasure without a map.
"Right there is serious error..." - Carl Emerson
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