Jehovah is missing?

[ElieG12]

So to be clear . . . we don't want misunderstandings . . . At some time in the distant past, prior to creation, God became a Father, this is correct? After which time then He could become Fatherly, paternal, right?

Much love!

Don't you know when someone becomes a father?

 

[ElieG12]

No offence, but it's not about "believing you". I believe the Bible, and test your answer against the Bible.

Much love!

Thanks for clarifying. I totally agree.

I hope you test your own ideas against the Bible with me, since I am quoting Biblical references.

Now I will log out. Thanks for your time.

 

[marks]

He created him, but in a different way from the rest of his children.

We were saying that Jesus was begotten from God, right? In calling Jesus "created", that's something different, Hebrews speaks of the removal of things that are created, but that wouldn't speak of Jesus, would it? That He will be removed, having been created?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Don't you know when someone becomes a father?

I know when I became a father.

Now I will log out. Thanks for your time.

Just saw this . . . OK, thank you!

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

This part addresses my question. The remainder of your reply doesn't contain comparisons or contrasts, just this sentence.

You are saying that Jesus was a spirit in heaven prior to being born, and have implied that other men are not spirits in heaven before being born, correct?

This is to say, Jesus had heavenly pre-existence while other men did not, this is correct?

And the next question would be then, how long has Jesus existed?

Much love!

Did GOD have a beginning . Exactly . In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the word was
with GOD and GOD is the Word . IN the beginning . Ponder on the beauty of that my friend .
When folks try and say GOD created JESUS , its like saying GOD created HIMSELF .
In the beginning .....................
Now raise those hands up mark , cause it BE LORDpraising and thanking Time in the building .

 

[amigo de christo]

I know when I became a father.

Just saw this . . . OK, thank you!

Much love!

Did GOD create His own spirit , his own essence , then let us know He didnt create His own words either .
HE spoke . His WORD is His own essence , His Spirit is His own essence .
Now lift them hands up mark , For once again i gotta say and love to remind us , IT BE LORD PRAISING time my friend .

 

[marks]

Did GOD have a beginning . Exactly . In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the word was
with GOD and GOD is the Word . IN the beginning . Ponder on the beauty of that my friend .

"I the LORD change not . . ."

He did not "become" a Father. He did not "discover" what being a Father is.

Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Not even getting into the whole "Michael" thing . . .

Much love!

 

[marks]

Did GOD create His own spirit , his own essence , then let us know He didnt create His own words either .
HE spoke . His WORD is His own essence , His Spirit is His own essence .
Now lift them hands up mark , For once again i gotta say and love to remind us , IT BE LORD PRAISING time my friend .

Amen! Thank you Lord Jesus for giving us truth!

Much love!

 

[Berean]

I've noticed an oddity. I'm familiar with many in the Jehovahs witness religion. When they post on these forums they very rarely use Jehovah. (which is not a translation, but an invention from a Catholic monk who made a mistake) Any who are familiar with Jws know that they can't help but to use this name incessantly. As a matter of fact, one of their central teachings is to make that name known.
However for some reason on these forums they don't use it much at all. Why would that be? It seems perhaps they don't want to be recognized. Just curious.

Why is it that the name of God is the only name they feel should be correctly translated? ALL of the names in the Bible are mistranslated.

 

[PS95]

The obvious hatred and contempt those in Christendom have for the name of Jesus’ God is disheartening.

Read in devotional reading today Rev 3.

Hi Wrangler,
I hope you've been able to set up a meeting with your pastor and it went well.
Allow me to respond here.
First of all, As I'm sure you are aware, "Christiandom" is a derogatory term used by JWs toward Christians who believe that Jesus died for our sins.
Secondly, We don't have hatred and contempt. We simply pointed out the facts. If facts hurt their feelings I am not sorry for that. It is true that Jws on here do not use Jehovah like they do in day to day life. WHY?
I was raised in JW teachings so I would know. It's constant. Almost as if it's akin to a lucky charm. It's quite abnormal to be so obsessive in that manner. I have family member who made his daughter count how many times she used, Jehovah in a 1 page school book report. She said, 10. That wasn't enough- she was scolded to add more. Perhaps you need to grow up that way to understand.
The name of Jesus is merely a blip at the end of a prayer to Jws.
I was taught that Satan and Jesus are brothers. I even checked that recently and yes it was indeed taught.

Jesus is the ONLY name needed for salvation. That's what the bible says. So why the incessant use of Jehovah?
Isnt Jesus enough? (Yah is salvation)<-- yes, there He is.
To address why we dont use it is simple. Jesus did not. He used, Father (sometimes Lord.) Those are the facts. Even in the model prayer, Jesus taught to use, Father, (hallowed be thy name) Notice, He did not pronounce a thing other than FATHER. We trust Him completely.

It is far more intimate to call God, Father than by a name. I have never called my earthly father by his given name. Father is loving and reflects the relationship..
In Romans 8:15 -- For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”

See? The children of God in the new covenant are calling out to OUR FATHER!
Perhaps Jws don't cry out ABBA because they are not in the new covenant, not a part of the body of Christ, not annointed children of God...ect etc etc.
Aside from all of that, the Watchtower admits that the true pronounciation is lost & that Yahweh is likely correct. They know the vowels for lord and god in Hebrew were mistakenly added in by a monk in 1300s.
Yet we MUST use a known wrong one? WHY?

Also, name in the bible certainly doesn't mean vowels and consonants and that goes for Jesus' name too.
It's more about WHO HE IS and WHY He is and WHAT He Has DONE and WHo we are to HIM.
We can shout a name all day long and that doesn't count for anything if we dont KNOW HIM.
Hope that helps clear the air.
I have no interest in debating this with you.
Take good care.

 

[PS95]

Why is it that the name of God is the only name they feel should be correctly translated? ALL of the names in the Bible are mistranslated.

See my post to Wrangler.

 

[Pearl]

And YOU are here for? Why, to do the direct opposite and try to convert

No true, born of the Spirit Christian will ever convert to the Watchtower Organisation. So those who try are completely wasting their time but my theory is that it is akin to 'street service'. Easier than going out and ringing doorbells.

 

[PS95]

No true, born of the Spirit Christian will ever convert to the Watchtower Organisation. So those who try are completely wasting their time but my theory is that it is akin to 'street service'. Easier than going out and ringing doorbells.

Oh I agree~It's not possible- No one will snatch us.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Maybe you are thinking on these Biblical passages:

Matt. 28:19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.

Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth.

Rom. 10:14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

All Christians in the first century did it like that:

Acts 20:20 while I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house.

Christians do all that and do it without testifying in your false antichrist doctrine.
Again, what converts a non JW into a JW???
What role did Jesus have in your "conversion" to a door to door magazine seller?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Oh I agree~It's not possible- No one will snatch us.

Thousands of them are former believers.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Accusations without real evidence are slander.

BTW, I never read about a real Christian in the first century who was insulting Jews (or Gentiles) all the way because they didn't believe what they were teaching. That's some modern ("Christian"???) really bad behaviour and its originator is the father of all perversion and mistreatment to others. Jehovah's Witnesses do not engage in such behavior when discussing Bible topics with others.

You err because you do not know your Bible

Jesus, Paul and John were vile against false religion.
The difference is, you watchtowers are in here trying futtally to "correct" via lies and modifications to God's Holy Book.
You present yourself as the correct way.
A false religion hoping to lead others into watchtower puppet sheep, and into hell....unable to rightly divide the truth.
On top of that, trying to malign Christianity as a whole, smearing the entirety of Christianity

 

[rebuilder 454]

No true, born of the Spirit Christian will ever convert to the Watchtower Organisation. So those who try are completely wasting their time but my theory is that it is akin to 'street service'. Easier than going out and ringing doorbells.

Thousands of Watchtower puppets are former believers

 

[PS95]

Thousands of them are former believers.

Head knowledge-- believers intellectually only. There are professors and possessors.

Many are former RCC who fell for the false idea that Jws actually read the bible in context.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Food for thought.

How many times have you seen Watchtower believers in any church ,and so friendly ,and conversing with Christians, and saying "oh yeah I'm a watchtower and I'm just visiting to see how everything is.
I just want to fellowship.
I just want to hear the truth
I love the worship
I love the the message of the pastor."

I've been a Christian since 1977 and I have not ever ever seen any Watchtower follower in any church.

Let me just inform all of you... that does not happen.!!!!
They are forbidden to go into any church

they're forbidden to listen to any teaching outside of Watchtower.
they have sold their soul to that false religion
they are part and partial with that spirit.
they are joined to that Antichrist spirit and they are forbidden to attend anything outside of that false religion.

So the question remains!
what are they doing in here conversing with Christians acting like they're kind of pseudo part and partial with us and what we believe. They are anti-blood of Jesus
they are anti deity of Jesus
they are anti salvation
they are anti the pillars of our faith.
They have no business in here

They are deceitful
They are false
They're Liars
....and they're in here hoping to make Converts
. I don't know why people have such small discernment.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Oh I agree~It's not possible- No one will snatch us.

If that were true( I wish it were)...then no believer would ever have false doctrine.