The social gospel?

[Ritajanice]

Then they are still in their sin

How can you follow God when your still dead because of your sin?

How can you follow God without being a “ spirit child” of God?

 

[Behold]

Epi has said that the cross was about forgiveness.

He said to ME.. that The Cross is "NOT about forgiveness", as im the one who kept pointing it out this last 2 months.

I'd quote him......."the cross is not about forgiveness" and he'd say..."yep that is what i said".. "Its not".

You then posted to me.."epi didnt say that'..........when you read my Post to Him that stated that He did say that.

He then posted to YOU< @Ritajanice , that he DID say it, and you gave him a "like."

So, this is very unfortunate, for you, as i expect the worst of His behavior to continue, having witnessed it for 3+ years, but when you are striving to achieve the same level, then that is ... very unfortunate.

 

[marks]

Epi has said that the cross was about forgiveness..as the brethren kept accusing him of teaching it wasn’t..I have the post somewhere on a thread, therefore I will scan for it.

 

[Johann]

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Just listen to his video-not far into it, there's no need to run to and fro looking for posts, right there in his podcast and I wonder why he is so silent and not give his disciple his "nonfactual statement"
Praise GOD for FORGIVENESS!! Mercy, CHEN/Grace IN Christ Jesus!
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,---


I don't need to run around looking for experiences and divine visitations--walk the talk, not talk the walk!
Thanks brother

24 Bible Verses about Imputed Righteousness

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Most Relevant Verses
Isaiah 46:13
Verse Concepts
“I bring near My righteousness, it is not far off;
And My salvation will not delay.
And I will grant salvation in Zion,
And My glory for Israel.

Isaiah 51:5
Verse Concepts
“My righteousness is near, My salvation has gone forth,
And My arms will judge the peoples;
The coastlands will wait for Me,
And for My arm they will wait expectantly.

Isaiah 56:1
Verse Concepts
Thus says the Lord,
“Preserve justice and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come
And My righteousness to be revealed.

Romans 1:17
Verse Concepts
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”

Isaiah 54:17
Verse Concepts
“No weapon that is formed against you will prosper;
And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,
And their vindication is from Me,” declares the Lord.

Romans 4:13
Verse Concepts
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 9:30
Verse Concepts
What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;

Romans 10:6
Verse Concepts
But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),

Romans 3:21
Verse Concepts
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

Romans 3:22
Verse Concepts
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

1 Corinthians 1:30
Verse Concepts
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

2 Corinthians 5:21
Verse Concepts
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Romans 10:4
Verse Concepts
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Jeremiah 23:6
Verse Concepts
“In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell securely;
And this is His name by which He will be called,
‘The Lord our righteousness.’

Daniel 9:24
Verse Concepts
“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

Romans 5:17
Verse Concepts
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 51:6
Verse Concepts
“Lift up your eyes to the sky,
Then look to the earth beneath;
For the sky will vanish like smoke,
And the earth will wear out like a garment
And its inhabitants will die in like manner;
But My salvation will be forever,
And My righteousness will not wane.

Romans 4:5
Verse Concepts
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Isaiah 61:10
Verse Concepts
I will rejoice greatly in the Lord,
My soul will exult in my God;
For He has clothed me with garments of salvation,
He has wrapped me with a robe of righteousness,
As a bridegroom decks himself with a garland,
And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

Romans 5:19
Verse Concepts
For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

Romans 3:26
Verse Concepts
for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Psalm 89:16
Verse Concepts
In Your name they rejoice all the day,
And by Your righteousness they are exalted.

Philippians 3:9
Verse Concepts
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

Isaiah 45:24-25
“They will say of Me, ‘Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.’
Men will come to Him,
And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.
“In the Lord all the offspring of Israel
Will be justified and will glory.”

Source: 24 Bible verses about Imputed Righteousness

Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!![Where's my guitar----??]

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Epi has said that the cross was about forgiveness..as the brethren kept accusing him of teaching it wasn’t..I have the post somewhere on a thread, therefore I will scan for it.

No apology from me to you, because you accused him falsely..I will find his post and post it..you also accused me of being Born Again before I was forgiven...l never said any of that...therefore you are a hypocrite in your accusations against others.

Hi Rita. The reason that the "gang" (the ones who circle around me and attack me then call me the bully...poor them ) want the cross to be about forgiveness, is they that want to be justified in their carnal state.

The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, not forgiveness.

You owe behold an apology

 

[Johann]

You owe behold an apology

@Episkopos is reading the LXX and the Apostolic Bible Polyglot-I know.

Psa 130:4 For [by you atonement is]. Because of your name I waited for you, O LORD.

Psa 130:4 (129:4) οτι 3754[CONJ] παρα 3844[PREP] σοι 4771[P-DS] ο 3588[T-NSM] ιλασμος 2434[N-NSM] εστιν 1510[V-PAI-3S]

J.

 

[Behold]

Jesus told His disciples...follow Me. He NEVER told them that He forgave them....never.

Jesus THE Lord.... had not died on the Cross yet when he called His 12 Apostles.
Didn't you know @Episkopos .

See, Jesus was not SAVIOR yet, as He had not shed His Blood and Died on the Cross yet, to become The SAVIOR.

Notice this verse..

"Without the shedding of Blood there is no Forgiveness".... in the sense of Eternal pardon, remission...

Like this..

"Jesus is the ONE TIME Eternal Sacrifice for SIN"........so, until He died to Become that, He had not yet provided the means to become The Savior.

Now He has.... = "The Cross of Christ"..

So....He was at the beginning of his 3.5 yrs in Ministry, and chose them. = "follow me".

See...., =The Cross is where God's Forgiveness, through Christ, is offered., to them also.

Let me explain this to the reader, who is a bible student...

There was a Harlot, a whore,..... and she crawled across the stone floor, in public, on her hands and knees, sobbing... so that she could wash Jesus's feet with her tears, and dry them with her Hair...
Why did she do this?
Its because "she has been forgiven MUCH"....>Jesus Said... and the reason He didnt say....."forgiven all sin forever" is because He had not hung on The Cross and bled and died for her yet so that He could become her Eternal Forgiveness..

 

[Ritajanice]

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When I confronted Epi over this, he replied to my post...of course it’s about forgiveness...I am searching for his post..I owe no one an apology , because that is what Epi said on my post.

Of course it’s about “ Forgiveness “!

 

[Johann]

Jesus THE Lord.... had not died on the Cross yet when he called His 12 Apostles.
Didn't you know @Episkopos .

See, Jesus was not SAVIOR yet, as He had not shed His Blood and Died on the Cross yet, to become The SAVIOR.

Notice this verse..

"Without the shedding of Blood there is no Forgiveness".... in the sense of Eternal pardon, remission...

Like this..

"Jesus is the ONE TIME Eternal Sacrifice for SIN"........so, until He died to Become that, He had not yet provided the means to become The Savior.

Now He has.... = "The Cross of Christ"..

So....He was at the beginning of his 3.5 yrs in Ministry, and chose them. = "follow me".

So, The Cross is where God's Forgiveness, through Christ, is offered., to them also.

Let me explain this to the reader, who is a bible student...

There was a Harlot, a whore, and she crawled across the stone floor, in public, on her hands and knees, sobbing... so that she could wash Jesus's feet with her tears, and dry them with her Hair...
Why did she do this?
Its because "she has been forgiven MUCH"....>Jesus Said... and the reason He didnt say....."forgiven all sin forever" is because He had not hung on The Cross and bled and died for her yet so that He could become her Eternal Forgiveness".

Here's the problem-@Episkopos says it is "freedom" not forgiveness, reading the LXX and Apostolic Bible Polyglot.

 

[Episkopos]

We in our "infancy" and "childhood" are inherently selfish and can only receive (since we are unable to give anything yet.......so it's kind of out of necessity, true? We have to receive first in order to be able to give later out of what we HAVE received)

Like in the first 100 years or so? God will put up with our childish ways for a time. But have you ever read the parable of dunging the tree?

....and then as we begin to grow and mature more we start to realize that it isn't all about us, that we need to conform to our "parents'" wishes, not the other way around. That we are God's servants, He isn't our servant. At first we may serve more out of fear, then we learn to love and serve more out of love for God and righteousness.

Are you speaking of yourself and your cohorts here? Are you making some kind of confession? It is true that immature believers will make it about them. But there is a whole other class of "believer" that is always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth...because the gospel is deviated from the truth.

One doesn't flip 180 degrees by osmosis. No, repentance is require.

There is a reason why scripture says we are not to use our liberty as an occasion for the flesh..........that CONFIRMS our liberty and also that it is possible to abuse it.......and abusing it enough puts our souls in danger as other scriptures confirm. Eg, sowing to the flesh leads to destruction....and no more sacrifice for sins if you keep on wilfully sinning.

Yes, stubborn sins...stiff-necked sins...ego sins. These are NOT covered. Resisting the truth, resisting the Spirit. You can say this even as you do it.

 

[Ritajanice]

You owe behold an apology

I owe him Zilch!..when I confronted Epi over the cross..he replied of course the cross is about “ forgiveness “...I’m searching for that post now.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Episkopos is reading the LXX and the Apostolic Bible Polyglot-I know.

Psa 130:4 For [by you atonement is]. Because of your name I waited for you, O LORD.

Psa 130:4 (129:4) οτι 3754[CONJ] παρα 3844[PREP] σοι 4771[P-DS] ο 3588[T-NSM] ιλασμος 2434[N-NSM] εστιν 1510[V-PAI-3S]

J.

Interesting, I wondered where he was coming up with that stuff

 

[Behold]

When I confronted Epi over this, he replied to my post...of course it’s about forgiveness..

Just read Post #44, that EPI posted to you today, that you responded to,= today..
He posted it to YOU...today. @Ritajanice

@Episkopos wrote...

""""""Hi Rita. .........The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, not forgiveness."""""""


Why dont you "confront him" (again) with the fact that he told YOU< today, on this Thread, that "the cross is not about FORGIVENESS"..

Find out what Epi will tell you next........

 

[Johann]

I owe him Zilch!..when I confronted Epi over the cross..he replied of course the cross is about “ forgiveness “...I’m searching for that post now.

You don't have to search for a post, listen to his video clip--think it is the first 5 minutes in--

 

[Eternally Grateful]

its amazing when you show people what others have said in their own words. and they STILL deny it and still want to defend themselves.

@Ritajanice

 

[Ritajanice]

Just read Post #44, that EPI posted to you today, that you responded to,= today..
He posted it to YOU...today. @Ritajanice

@Episkopos wrote...

Hi Rita. The reason that the "gang" (the ones who circle around me and attack me then call me the bully...poor them ) want the cross to be about forgiveness, is they that want to be justified in their carnal state.

The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, not forgiveness.


Why dont you "confront him" with the fact that he told YOU< today, on this Tread, that "the cross is not about FORGIVENESS"..

Find out what Epi will tell you next........

He has said it was about forgiveness and Holy...he’s right.

Who was the atonement for our sins?

The cross or Jesus?

 

[Behold]

Yes, stubborn sins...stiff-necked sins...ego sins. These are NOT covered.

All sin is covered by The Cross of Christ, or it would not be of any use...

Notice.

"God hath made JESUS< to BE SIN.. (all of it) For US"

"Jesus is the ONE TIME... ETERNAL Sacrifice, for Sin".... Not just some.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just read Post #44, that EPI posted to you today, that you responded to,= today..
He posted it to YOU...today. @Ritajanice

@Episkopos wrote...

""""""Hi Rita. .........The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, not forgiveness."""""""


Why dont you "confront him" (again) with the fact that he told YOU< today, on this Thread, that "the cross is not about FORGIVENESS"..

Find out what Epi will tell you next........

You can;t make this stuff up

 

[Behold]

He has said it was about forgiveness and Holy...he’s right.

Epi said it WAS NOT about Forgiveness.

So, you need to be honest.

@Episkopos wrote...

""""""Hi Rita. .........The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, NOT forgiveness."""""""

@Episkopos wrote...

""""""Hi Rita. .........The bible clearly teaches that the cross is about atonement, NOT forgiveness."""""""

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He has said it was about forgiveness and Holy...he’s right.

Who was the atonement for our sins?

The cross or Jesus?

He said it was about atonement NOT FORGIVENESS

those are his words. those are his words you are promoting and acknowledging that he is right.

Instead of attacking Behold for showing you what EPi said, why do you not confront epi for believing what we have accused epi of believing.