The social gospel?

[Episkopos]

I am not limiting Gods power. Why would you acuse of such a thing,, do you have any example of how I am limiting his power?

It is through grace...God's power...that we can walk as Jesus walked. Your gospel denies this power. But it goes directly against the true gospel. That's why I say it. Look at this...

He that saith he abides in him, ought himself also to walk, even as he walked. John 2:6

Can you be honest for a second or two?

Do you claim to abide in Christ? Do you fulfill the testimony of a person who abides in Christ? Do you deny the truth? Why? Read the above verse again. Do you believe it is the truth? Why not?

Why try justifying yourself when you are not meeting the condition set out in the bible?

as for me justifying myself If I thought I could justify myself. I would follow you and people like you.

The opposite is true. I point to humility and the fear of the Lord...things you cannot do. I'm showing you that you have gone down the wrong road...and you won't hear any argument to the contrary...from the bible.

But I am not. Because I point to Christ. HE has justified me.. Because I can not justify myself..

How do you know He has justified you? By reading a bible?

Strawman, Can you not ever talk about the word? All you do day after day is post stuff like this, do you do this to convince yourself your right? Because it has no bearing on me or my faith

So the law is not in the bible? The day of atonement is not in the bible? The author of Hebrews showing how without the shedding of blood there can be no forgiveness? Sin offering and sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin is not in the bible?

Endless mind looping based on faulty translations.

What bible do you read?

Many kinds. KJV is my main bible. MSS for the OT.

non responsive. I am going to tru to stick on task today and not be goaded like so many of you try to do by making silly accusations

Paid in full. Bur you know what I meant.. Just goes to show your character

False, the forgiveness of sin and the atonment is the result of the cross.

You deny the atonement by your false claiming of forgiveness. A willful sin...a stubborn refusal to listen to the truth..is NOT forgivable unless you repent.

We will not be perfectly holy until we enter heaven, Thats why it is said, our body is dead because of sin, our spirit is alive because of righteousness.

If Jesus did not pay for your sin, your still dead in your sin.

false. Unless you walk in the perfection of Christ you WILL SIN. You are still under the law if you sin. It's only freedom FROM sin under grace. Grace is the power to overcome sin as Jesus did.

To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev. 3:21

Did Jesus overcome sin for us or instead of us? Of course not. He empowers us to do the same as He did...BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH.

Do you have any faith?

So I accuse a God, who paid for the sin of all mankind and is offering them eternal life based on his grace unmerciful.

Now I really have to laugh here, Not because it sunny, But because I think you really do believe this, which is sad.

You don't read the bible very much, do you?

You can;t live where he is UNTIL your sin debt is paid. and you are justified.

Sure...so do you live where He is?

 

[Johann]

Not at all. Gandhi, being a righteous man, saw through the false gospel of naming and claiming. He saw the spoiled excesses that caused people to believe they were justified IN their sin. He probably never met an actual disciple of Christ. As such what he was rejecting was legitimate as Jesus will also reject these. As in..Lord lord....And...go away you workers of iniquity. It's not Gandhi's fault that he could discern charlatans. It's to his credit.

By praising Ghandi I thought I'd give you some info on this "pious" man

Determining whether Mahatma Gandhi was a "righteous man" involves examining his life, actions, and the principles he stood for. The term "righteous" can have various interpretations depending on cultural, religious, and ethical perspectives.

Ethical and Moral Perspective
Nonviolence (Ahimsa):

Gandhi is renowned for his unwavering commitment to nonviolence. He believed that nonviolence was the most powerful weapon for oppressed people in their struggle for justice.
Example: Gandhi led the Salt March in 1930, a nonviolent protest against the British salt tax, which galvanized the Indian independence movement.
Truth (Satya):

Gandhi valued truthfulness and honesty above all. He believed in living a life of integrity and transparency.
Example: His autobiography, "The Story of My Experiments with Truth," details his lifelong pursuit of truth in every aspect of his life.
Equality and Social Justice:

Gandhi fought against social injustices such as the caste system, untouchability, and discrimination.
Example: He worked for the upliftment of the "untouchables," whom he called Harijans (children of God), advocating for their rights and dignity.
Religious and Spiritual Perspective
Hinduism:

As a devout Hindu, Gandhi incorporated the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita and other Hindu scriptures into his philosophy. He emphasized the importance of self-discipline, selflessness, and devotion.
Example: His practice of fasting and prayer was deeply rooted in his spiritual beliefs.
Interfaith Harmony:

Gandhi respected and learned from various religious traditions, advocating for interfaith dialogue and harmony.
Example: He had close relationships with leaders of different faiths, including Christians, Muslims, and Jews, and often quoted from their sacred texts.
Political and Social Perspective
Leadership in Indian Independence:

Gandhi was a pivotal figure in India's struggle for independence from British colonial rule. His leadership inspired millions to join the nonviolent resistance movement.
Example: The Quit India Movement in 1942, which he led, demanded an end to British rule in India.
Global Influence:

Gandhi's philosophy of nonviolence influenced numerous global leaders and movements, including Martin Luther King Jr. and the American Civil Rights Movement.
Example: King acknowledged Gandhi's impact on his own approach to social justice and civil rights activism.
Criticisms and Controversies
Personal Relationships:

Some critics have pointed to Gandhi's personal experiments with celibacy and his relationships with young women as problematic, though his intentions were to test his self-control and purity.
Example: Gandhi slept beside young women, including his grandnieces, to test his vow of chastity, which has been a subject of much debate and criticism.
Political Decisions:

Some of Gandhi's political decisions, such as his stance during the Partition of India, have been criticized for their outcomes and perceived naivety.
Example: His insistence on nonviolence and peace during the violent partition period was seen by some as impractical in the face of escalating communal violence.
Conclusion
Gandhi's life reflects a complex blend of righteousness, dedication to ethical principles, and personal imperfections. From a broad ethical and moral standpoint, many consider him a righteous man due to his unwavering commitment to nonviolence, truth, and social justice. His influence on global movements for civil rights and his efforts to uplift marginalized communities add to his legacy as a moral and ethical leader.

However, like all historical figures, Gandhi was not without flaws and controversies. The assessment of his righteousness can vary depending on one's perspective and criteria for judgment. Nonetheless, his profound impact on both India and the world in promoting peace, justice, and nonviolence remains a testament to his enduring legacy.

 

[Episkopos]

By praising Ghandi I thought I'd give you some info on this "pious" man

Determining whether Mahatma Gandhi was a "righteous man" involves examining his life, actions, and the principles he stood for. The term "righteous" can have various interpretations depending on cultural, religious, and ethical perspectives.

Ethical and Moral Perspective
Nonviolence (Ahimsa):

Gandhi is renowned for his unwavering commitment to nonviolence. He believed that nonviolence was the most powerful weapon for oppressed people in their struggle for justice.
Example: Gandhi led the Salt March in 1930, a nonviolent protest against the British salt tax, which galvanized the Indian independence movement.
Truth (Satya):

Gandhi valued truthfulness and honesty above all. He believed in living a life of integrity and transparency.
Example: His autobiography, "The Story of My Experiments with Truth," details his lifelong pursuit of truth in every aspect of his life.
Equality and Social Justice:

Gandhi fought against social injustices such as the caste system, untouchability, and discrimination.
Example: He worked for the upliftment of the "untouchables," whom he called Harijans (children of God), advocating for their rights and dignity.
Religious and Spiritual Perspective
Hinduism:

As a devout Hindu, Gandhi incorporated the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita and other Hindu scriptures into his philosophy. He emphasized the importance of self-discipline, selflessness, and devotion.
Example: His practice of fasting and prayer was deeply rooted in his spiritual beliefs.
Interfaith Harmony:

Gandhi respected and learned from various religious traditions, advocating for interfaith dialogue and harmony.
Example: He had close relationships with leaders of different faiths, including Christians, Muslims, and Jews, and often quoted from their sacred texts.
Political and Social Perspective
Leadership in Indian Independence:

Gandhi was a pivotal figure in India's struggle for independence from British colonial rule. His leadership inspired millions to join the nonviolent resistance movement.
Example: The Quit India Movement in 1942, which he led, demanded an end to British rule in India.
Global Influence:

Gandhi's philosophy of nonviolence influenced numerous global leaders and movements, including Martin Luther King Jr. and the American Civil Rights Movement.
Example: King acknowledged Gandhi's impact on his own approach to social justice and civil rights activism.
Criticisms and Controversies
Personal Relationships:

Some critics have pointed to Gandhi's personal experiments with celibacy and his relationships with young women as problematic, though his intentions were to test his self-control and purity.
Example: Gandhi slept beside young women, including his grandnieces, to test his vow of chastity, which has been a subject of much debate and criticism.
Political Decisions:

Some of Gandhi's political decisions, such as his stance during the Partition of India, have been criticized for their outcomes and perceived naivety.
Example: His insistence on nonviolence and peace during the violent partition period was seen by some as impractical in the face of escalating communal violence.
Conclusion
Gandhi's life reflects a complex blend of righteousness, dedication to ethical principles, and personal imperfections. From a broad ethical and moral standpoint, many consider him a righteous man due to his unwavering commitment to nonviolence, truth, and social justice. His influence on global movements for civil rights and his efforts to uplift marginalized communities add to his legacy as a moral and ethical leader.

However, like all historical figures, Gandhi was not without flaws and controversies. The assessment of his righteousness can vary depending on one's perspective and criteria for judgment. Nonetheless, his profound impact on both India and the world in promoting peace, justice, and nonviolence remains a testament to his enduring legacy.

Judge not lest you be judged. Gandhi was an honest man...that's why I think you don't like him.

 

[Johann]

it is his tactic. to try to throw you off. I sometimes wonder if they do it in fear?

I think more than likely though it comes from Pride.

Inability to use Scriptures as their sword, sword less, they are waging warfare by mere human philosophy and stoical, intellectual knowledge.
Pride manifests itself in many forms and manifestations and I need to guard against this evil propensity myself.
J.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is through grace...God's power...that we can walk as Jesus walked.

Yes, it is because of grace that we are even given the possibility. And it is through th elove given By Gods grace. that empowers us to love as he loved us and other.

But if you think we can walk 24/7 like Jesus walked. You do not know Jesus very well. Your bringing him down to your level..

Your gospel denies this power.

No it does not.

But it goes directly against the true gospel. That's why I say it. Look at this...

Yes, it goes against your gospel. But your gospel is all about he God look at me, Look how Great I am, I walk like you walked. SO you have to let me in.

He that saith he abides in him, ought himself also to walk, even as he walked. John 2:6

Amen, We should walk as he walked.. That should be our goal 24.7,, But if we are nto saved, if we have not tasted God grace and been born agaiun, Its all mute. we can try to walk as jesus walked, may even succeed in outward things he did. But we are still lost. with no hope.

Can you be honest for a second or two?

I am honest as much as I can.

Can you?

Do you claim to abide in Christ? Do you fulfill the testimony of a person who abides in Christ? Do you deny the truth? Why? Read the above verse again. Do you believe it is the truth? Why not?

Who said it is not the truth. See, yuor just like your sister Rita, you see things only you want to see. so you can not see what ithers actually say and or believe. so you make nonsensical questions like this. KNOWING the answer (or at the least being ignorant of the answer) because you do not listen to what others are saying

Why try justifying yourself when you are not meeting the condition set out in the bible?

I am not trying to justify myself. YOU ARE?

Why would you make a silly accusation when you know it is not true.. ?

The opposite is true. I point to humility and the fear of the Lord...things you cannot do.

I do it every day..

I'm showing you that you have gone down the wrong road...

Well thank you for your opinion. But you have failed to prove this. so until you show some actual proof. I will continue down the road I am on pointing to Christ, and not myself.

and you won't hear any argument to the contrary...from the bible.

well you are not even arguing against me, You just show you do not know what I believe so you in effect arguing aginst yourself

How do you know He has justified you? By reading a bible?

Are you trying to be nice to rita? She has asked me many times this very question, I gave her the answer multiple times.

No. that is not the only way I know. In fact, I prety much shared the many ways this morning. or did you miss that memo?

But if you have been listening, you would know and would not ask such a foolish question

Endless mind looping based on faulty translations.

Non responsive, and not going down this trail.

Many kinds. KJV is my main bible. MSS for the OT.

Tje KJV does not say what you preach

You deny the atonement by your false claiming of forgiveness. A willful sin...a stubborn refusal to listen to the truth..is NOT forgivable unless you repent.

to atone means to pay for.

You deny the atonment by denying the payment God himself made for it

false. Unless you walk in the perfection of Christ you WILL SIN.

You will still sin, The only time you have hope of not sinning is when you are loving agape love to your neighbor or when your seeking the things of the spirit

Walk in perfection of christ, what does this even mean?

You are still under the law if you sin.

I am not under law I am under grace. Trying to keep people away from you and those like you who want to put people back under law. then deny that is what they are doing

It's only freedom FROM sin under grace. Grace is the power to overcome sin as Jesus did.

Yes,

But more importantly it is freedom from the penalty of sin, It is the reason we have the ability to be born again, Jesus made this clear in John 3, It is his being raised on that pole that grants us the ability to be born again,

Will you stop looking to self and look to Christ?

To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev. 3:21

And who is the one who overcomes?

1 John 5:4
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

You see, it is the new birth that causes us to overcome, and how are we born again? Our faith..

Did Jesus overcome sin for us or instead of us? Of course not. He empowers us to do the same as He did...BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH.

Do you have any faith?

The animal that dies for the sin of the people. Did that animal overcome sin for the people of Israel. or did he die FOR the sin of the people.

You don't read the bible very much, do you?

Another non responsive post.. Can you ever stick to the subject without all the fluff and silly accusations?

Sure...so do you live where He is?

He is everywhere. He is omnipresent, I can not go any where that he is not also.

The question is, Am I part of hsi family. or am I on the outside looking in?

I recieved him 40 some years ago

John 1: But as many as have recieved him to THEM he gave the power to become sons of God. even to them who believe in his name

There I believe I gave the KJV quote of that verse by memory (It was a memory verse of mine when I was but a small child when I was KJV only)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Judge not lest you be judged. Gandhi was an honest man...that's why I think you don't like him.

this just proves once again you did not read a thing he said

I am amazed people give you such credit..

 

[Behold]

We are Born Of The Spirit..not the cross.

Ive not said that anyone is born again of the Cross.

However, were there no Cross of Christ, there would be no sin offering to have paid for your lifetime of sin, and mine. @Ritajanice

So, when Jesus says that no person comes to the Father by By Him, He's talking about The Cross of Christ, where God meets man's sin with the Blood and death of Jesus.

A Born Again is in Christ not the Bible....show me where God says a Born Again is in the Bible.

Jesus said you must be "born again".. so, everyone who is, is found in that verse.

Now the specific title for born again, is :

= "CHRISTIAN". who is become a" New Creation in Christ"

As unless you are born again, you're not a Christian.

So, all of that is found in the NT.

 

[Johann]

Judge not lest you be judged. Gandhi was an honest man...that's why I think you don't like him.

Christ Jesus is my Savior and my Lord, sealed with the Holy Spirit and I don't have to follow Ghandi or sing his praises.

Besides--

The concept that there is no one inherently good or righteous on Earth is a theme found in several places in the Bible, both in the Old and New Testaments. Here are some relevant scripture references from the Septuagint (LXX), the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, that support this idea:

Psalm 14:1-3 (LXX) / Psalm 53:1-3 (Masoretic Text)
Psalm 14:1-3 (LXX):

Greek: Εἶπεν ἄφρων ἐν καρδίᾳ αὐτοῦ· Οὐκ ἔστι Θεός· διεφθάρησαν, καὶ ἐβδελύχθησαν ἐν ἐπιτηδεύμασιν· οὐκ ἔστι ποιῶν χρηστότητα, οὐκ ἔστιν ἕως ἑνός. Κύριος ἐξ οὐρανοῦ διέκυψεν ἐπὶ τοὺς υἱοὺς τῶν ἀνθρώπων τοῦ ἰδεῖν εἰ ἔστιν συνίων ἢ ἐκζητῶν τὸν Θεόν. Πάντες ἐξέκλιναν, ἅμα ἠχρεώθησαν· οὐκ ἔστι ποιῶν χρηστότητα, οὐκ ἔστιν ἕως ἑνός.
Translation: "The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good. The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that does good, no, not one."
Ecclesiastes 7:20
Ecclesiastes 7:20 (LXX):

Greek: ὅτι ἄνθρωπος οὐκ ἔστιν δίκαιος ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, ὃς ποιήσει ἀγαθόν, καὶ οὐχ ἁμαρτήσει.
Translation: "For there is not a righteous man upon earth, that does good, and sins not."
Isaiah 64:6 (LXX) / Isaiah 64:5 (Masoretic Text)
Isaiah 64:6 (LXX):

Greek: καὶ ἐγενήθημεν ὡς ἀκάθαρτος πάντες ἡμεῖς, καὶ ὡς ῥάκος ἀποκαθημένης πᾶσα ἡ δικαιοσύνη ἡμῶν· καὶ ἐξήραμεν ὡς φύλλον διὰ τὰς ἀδικίας ἡμῶν, καὶ ὁ ἄνεμος ἄξει ἡμᾶς.
Translation: "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."
Job 15:14-16
Job 15:14-16 (LXX):

Greek: Τίς γὰρ ἔσται καθαρός ἀπὸ ῥύπου; οὐδείς, οὐδὲ εἰ μία ἡμέρα ἡ ζωὴ αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς. Ὁ Θεὸς οὐ πιστεύει τῷ ἁγίῳ αὐτοῦ, οὐρανὸς δὲ οὐ καθαρός ἐστιν ἐναντίον αὐτοῦ. Εἰ βδέλυκτος καὶ ἄχρηστος ἄνθρωπος, πίνων ἀδικίαν ὥσπερ ὕδωρ.
Translation: "What is man, that he should be pure? Or he that is born of a woman, that he should be righteous? Behold, he puts no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight. How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinks iniquity like water?"
New Testament Echo
The New Testament also reflects this theme. For example, the Apostle Paul quotes Psalm 14 in his letter to the Romans:

Romans 3:10-12:

Greek: καθὼς γέγραπται ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν δίκαιος οὐδὲ εἷς· οὐκ ἔστιν ὁ συνίων, οὐκ ἔστιν ὁ ἐκζητῶν τὸν Θεόν. πάντες ἐξέκλιναν, ἅμα ἠχρεώθησαν· οὐκ ἔστιν ὁ ποιῶν χρηστότητα, οὐκ ἔστιν ἕως ἑνός.
Translation: "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one."

These passages from the Septuagint and the New Testament underscore the biblical teaching that there is no one inherently righteous or good on Earth apart from divine grace. This theme emphasizes human sinfulness and the need for God’s intervention for righteousness.

Have a good one
J.

 

[Behold]

Epi has never said this ..

Epi has stated that "The cross is not about forgiven", , ,more than just once on this forum.
He's said to me at least 3 times.
As a matter of fact, in this very Thread, in post #3.... = I pointed out to him again, that """He teaches that the Cross is not about Forgiveness"

Let me post what He replied. @Ritajanice

Here is what you "preach"..

Your own quote.

"The Cross of Christ........is not about Forgiveness".

@Episkopos said..

"""That's true.""""

 

[Behold]

Epi has never said this ..

He told you the same thing in Posat #44, and you read it......and then left your original post to me, that says "He never said it". @Ritajanice

So now you have agreed with his Cross denying insult.... that "the Cross is not about Forgiveness".... as he teaches.

 

[Behold]

The idea is that grace makes God blind to sin..

Your sin sent God's Son, to The Cross,... same as all of ours.....

"Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS"...

See The Cross of Christ......for the update.

So, you can believe that God is not "blind" to sin...
And He's certainly not blind to the fact that you are on this forum saying that His Son's shed blood and death, "is not about forgiveness of sin".

Listen carefully..
From the Cross Jesus said : "Father Forgive them"... .and soon afterwards Jesus provided HIS Shed Blood and DEATH, so that God could do that for us all.

"FORGIVENESS of Sin" is found as The Cross of Christ.

A.) "without the shedding of BLOOD there is no Forgiveness, no remission, no redemption".. @Episkopos

 

[Lizbeth]

Not at all. Gandhi, being a righteous man, saw through the false gospel of naming and claiming. He saw the spoiled excesses that caused people to believe they were justified IN their sin. He probably never met an actual disciple of Christ. As such what he was rejecting was legitimate as Jesus will also reject these. As in..Lord lord....And...go away you workers of iniquity. It's not Gandhi's fault that he could discern charlatans. It's to his credit.


That's on the hypocrites...they will pay for their false witness. However, we are not judged based on our beliefs anyway...but on what we did...our works. Read the bible.


His number one victim is the namer and claimer in the superficiality of those who claim to believe. If the devil can divert them from entering into the truth....then he can display a counterfeit to the world that the true righteous ones will reject....as they should. Only the self-love of posers will adopt a false gospel...mischaracterizing a merciful God.


True. And there have been real conversions. There will always be a remnant of actual disciples. But these are few, and not found in rich countries for the most part. Most in those countries are stored for judgment.


Which gospel? God rewards people for rejecting lies. Which lies would you recommend to non-believers?

Well, you have the very same doctrines that they have. What's the difference? It's all just religion....and partisan ideology....as in...if you don't believe such and such....you are going straight to hell. (Imagine some pulpit smasher with wild eyes) Quite the spectacle. :cool:

Real Christianity is not represented by pulpit smashers with wild eyes. (although the bible does say to same some by fear) Was Jesus a pulpit smasher? Oh wait....He didn't hide behind pulpits and titles at all. I agree the church is in a mess in the west in many ways, but imputed righteousness isn't to blame. Said it before but you are still throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There is bathwater that needs to be thrown out yes, but imputed righteousness is the baby we need to keep.

 

[Episkopos]

Your sin sent God's Son, to The Cross,... same as all of ours.....

"Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS"...

See The Cross of Christ......for the update.

So, you can believe that God is not "blind" to sin...
And He's certainly not blind to the fact that you are on this forum saying that His Son's shed blood and death, "is not about forgiveness of sin".

Listen carefully..
From the Cross Jesus said : "Father Forgive them"... .and soon afterwards Jesus provided HIS Shed Blood and DEATH, so that God could do that for us all.

"FORGIVENESS of Sin" is found as The Cross of Christ.

A.) "without the shedding of BLOOD there is no Forgiveness, no remission, no redemption".. @Episkopos

You are covering up the truth with an anti-holiness rant by appealing to the self-preservation instinct embedded in the flesh. And some will be duped.

The cross of Christ is about holiness. You deny this VERY STRONGLY.

So you are enemy of the cross. Keep trying to fool others... with their own self-interest.

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus told His disciples...follow Me. He NEVER told them that He forgave them....never. To modern snow-flake ideologues....this is NOT correct. They think the disciples should have said ! WAIT! I will NOT follow you unless you tell me I'm forgiven. As if the disciples had the same carnal agenda that they have.

Some here won't follow Jesus. Why? because there is no need...they think they already have all they ever wanted from Him....forgiveness! Now they can get on with indulging the flesh. I'm sure God is happy with that.


In the end...People want what they already believe confirmed more than they want the TRUTH
That is why they stay deceived

 

[Ritajanice]

, It is the reason we have the ability to be born again,

You have no ability to be a spirit child of God..

You don’t even know what Born Again means..imo.

It means exactly what God’s word says it means...our “ spirit “ is Born Again..which you have no understanding of a “ spirit child” of God.

Born Again and saved from eternal damnation...not saved then Born Again...

I Corinthians 2:11 shows that our natural mind is strong in gathering, understanding, and using material knowledge but weak in gathering, understanding, and using spiritual knowledge

1 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 11 No one can know a person's thoughts except that person's own spirit, and no one can know God's thoughts except God's own Spirit.

 

[Lizbeth]

Judge not lest you be judged. Gandhi was an honest man...that's why I think you don't like him.

Wasn't he a deceived man? Being Hindu (idol-worshiper).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus told His disciples...follow Me. He NEVER told them that He forgave them...

Then they are still in their sin

How can you follow God when your still dead because of your sin?

 

[Behold]

You are covering up the truth with an anti-holiness rant by appealing to the self-preservation instinct embedded in the flesh.

You again made a typical statement that you can't prove with a bible verse.

All you can ever do, is just state some man-made idea you have, some religious nonsense, and then when faced with Scripture, all you can try to do is suggest something that you can't prove, or just insult.

And some will be duped.

Let me describe a 'duped".

One here on this Thread, came to me today, and accused me of falsely accusing you, of teaching that "the Cross is not about forgiveness". which you've stated numerous times.. @Episkopos
2 posts later, you explained this to her.. as exactly that statement... .and her reaction was to give you a "LIKE"< and not delete her post to me, that accused me falsely.
That is "DUPED"... to the extreme.
So, there is indeed some "devilment" at work on this forum, some liars...some extreme flesh addicts.. who can only talk about their self effort.
..and we'll see what happens next.

The cross of Christ is about holiness. You deny this VERY STRONGLY.

The Cross of Christ is the suffering and death of the Messiah, where Jesus was poured out as God's Sacrifice... for the sin of you and me, and us all.
The Cross of Christ is where God's judgement against all SIN, was poured out upon := the Sinless Holy Lamb of God, so that we could be forgiven our sin.
The Cross of Christ.... the Offer of Salvation to everyone, but specifically to the BELIEVER, as for them, what Jesus has finished on the Cross, is eternally applied to them, which is their Redemption "in Christ".

 

[Lizbeth]

Jesus told His disciples...follow Me. He NEVER told them that He forgave them....never. To modern snow-flake ideologues....this is NOT correct. They think the disciples should have said ! WAIT! I will NOT follow you unless you tell me I'm forgiven. As if the disciples had the same carnal agenda that they have.

Some here won't follow Jesus. Why? because there is no need...they think they already have all they ever wanted from Him....forgiveness! Now they can get on with indulging the flesh. I'm sure God is happy with that.


In the end...People want what they already believe confirmed more than they want the TRUTH
That is why they stay deceived

We in our "infancy" and "childhood" are inherently selfish and can only receive (since we are unable to give anything yet.......so it's kind of out of necessity, true? We have to receive first in order to be able to give later out of what we HAVE received)....and then as we begin to grow and mature more we start to realize that it isn't all about us, that we need to conform to our "parents'" wishes, not the other way around. That we are God's servants, He isn't our servant. At first we may serve more out of fear, then we learn to love and serve more out of love for God and righteousness.

There is a reason why scripture says we are not to use our liberty as an occasion for the flesh..........that CONFIRMS our liberty and also that it is possible to abuse it.......and abusing it enough puts our souls in danger as other scriptures confirm. Eg, sowing to the flesh leads to destruction....and no more sacrifice for sins if you keep on wilfully sinning.

 

[Ritajanice]

.and her reaction was to give you a "LIKE"< and not delete her post to me, that accused me falsely

Epi has said that the cross was about forgiveness..as the brethren kept accusing him of teaching it wasn’t..I have the post somewhere on a thread, therefore I will scan for it.

No apology from me to you, because you accused him falsely..I will find his post and post it..you also accused me of being Born Again before I was forgiven...l never said any of that...therefore you are a hypocrite in your accusations against others.