The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

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You are wasting your time. He is constantly imposing what he has been taught upon the inspired pages. You are debating with his teachers.
Very true. I can't deny that. I need to stop wasting my time with someone like that who is completely unreasonable and only goes by what his teachers tell him without being like the Bereans and studying it for himself. In one response he made to me, he told me he wasn't sure how to answer my questions and had to consult his notes from listening to a sermon by a pre-trib pastor. Why people don't think for themselves about things like this, I'll never know.
 
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No, it is you that deny the hour started with Lazarus.
LOL. Now a future hour when all of the dead would be raised turns into at least 2,000 years. This can't be taken seriously. You will obviously do anything to twist scripture to make it say what you want it to say, which is very dishonest. I'm not wasting any more time looking at your nonsense.
 

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I have no stake in the claim. I don't hold to most people's interpretation, not even pre-tribbers. But God forbid there be an outside objective view.
Ah, yes. You are so special that God decided to reveal the truth about these things only to you. Good grief. Could you possibly be more arrogant than to think that way?

God's Word is lunacy to you.
That is an obvious lie. It's all you have to offer. You are a joke. I'm done with you.
 

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How about giving us clear Scripture to show this? Where in Scripture does it say, "there will be believers who get left behind, that wasn't chosen as a Bride, but they are still saved"? You cannot even prove there is a tribulation period after the second coming.

When Jesus comes, He rescues all the elect and destroys all the wicked, before He pours out is final and wholesale wrath. That is the pattern of history. That is what Scripture teaches.

Where does it say the one left behind is (a) believer and (2) survives the wrath that is poured out in that great climactic day? You are forcing what you have been taught into the inspired text. You have to. There is not one single proof text in the Word. Your failure to provide the same reinforces that. No Pretrib can prove that. All we are getting from you is wild unsubstantiated claims.

If you were to openly and objectively look at the text that you are referring to, you would see that it actually forbids a Pretrib scenario. Good at the proves Amillennialism. Instead of the Pretrib soundbites, let us look at what the text actually says!

Jesus said in Luke 17:24-34: “For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.”

“one shall taken, and the other shall be left”

If we look closer at this passage we learn, “in that night (when He shall Come) there shall be two in one bed; the one shall be paraleemftheésetai (or) taken, and the other shall be afetheésetai (or) left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be paraleemftheésetai (or) taken, and the other afetheésetai (or) left.”

It is interesting when we look at the meaning of this Greek word paraleemftheésetai used here. Strong’s says that it indicates, “to receive near, i.e. associate with oneself in any familiar or intimate act or relation.” The word is interpreted elsewhere in the King James Version as ‘receive’, ‘take unto’ or ‘take with’. The company that are therefore received by Christ in this passage are those that have been brought into an intimate mystical union with Him through salvation; they are His elect. This narrative is unquestionably referring to the catching away of the saints, and the marriage of the lamb.

This is the same word that Christ used in John 14:3 when He promised His disciples that He would come again to receive them, saying, “In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and paraleémpsomai (or) receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”

Interestingly, the word used here to describe the second party in view is the Greek word afetheésetai, which carries the meaning to forsake, put away or lay aside. This is the fate that awaits the wicked alone when Christ comes in all His glory.

No one that has taken the time to examine the meaning of the Greek words for “taken” and “left” can surely deny that the definition of “taken” is manifestly positive and the definition of “left” is patently negative.

Q. What then happens to those left behind?

A. The Lord’s solemn warning in the midst of the aforementioned narrative confirms the answer, and is in complete agreement with Christ’s unambiguous preceding comments in the same chapter, and every other explicit passage in Scripture. He makes it abundantly clear that instant and complete destruction befalls the wicked. He solemnly counsels the disciples, “Remember Lot's wife.”

Remember Lot's

Q. Why must we “remember Lot's wife”? What befell her?

She got caught in the escape out of Sodom because her heart was still there. Despite being fully aware of the impending destruction, Lot's wife’s heart was located in Sodom and towards the awful iniquity; this was despite the fact that she also desired to be with the people of God. Notwithstanding, Genesis 19:26 says of Lot, his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.”

Her foolish refusal to once-and-for-all turn her back on Sodom caused her to be instantly and completely destroyed. Through her un-preparedness, she was immediately cast into a lost hell – damned and doomed for all eternity – without hope and without Christ.

What Christ is therefore warning in this reading is this: ‘Remember Lot's wife because she was found wanting on the day when God finally poured out His judgment upon the wicked; be warned because His second coming will similarly expose the heart of every hypocrite, although on this occasion it will be for the very final time. Those left behind will face the same punishment as Lot’s wife – total destruction.

When Noah left the world of his day and entered into the ark
there were many left lying in beds and grinding at mills to receive
the wrath of God and therefore destruction. The same happened in Lot's day. The same will happen at Christ's Coming.

After Christ described the destruction that accompanies His return, He talks about one being rescued the other being destroyed. Jesus tells us that those left behind will suffer the same total, immediate and awful doom that Noah's world and Sodom suffered in their day (Luke 17). Once the ark door closes that is it. It is too late.

Where ever the carcass is there the eagles will be gathered together

The disciples then ask: “Where, Lord?” Christ replies: “Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.” Eagles flock to where there is prey. Where bodies lie that is where they will congregate. Death and destruction mark the aftermath of God’s judgment. Whilst God’s people are rescued the wicked perish in destruction.

The eagles devour those left behind. Rev 19 correlates.
You're wasting your time with him. ;)

But, seriously, great post. Which he will not understand at all because he looks at everything through the pre-trib lens that he has been taught.
 

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After Christ described the destruction that accompanies His return, He talks about one being rescued the other being destroyed. Jesus tells us that those left behind will suffer the same total, immediate and awful doom that Noah's world and Sodom suffered in their day (Luke 17). Once the ark door closes that is it. It is too late.

Where ever the carcass is there the eagles will be gathered together

The disciples then ask: “Where, Lord?” Christ replies: “Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.” Eagles flock to where there is prey. Where bodies lie that is where they will congregate. Death and destruction mark the aftermath of God’s judgment. Whilst God’s people are rescued the wicked perish in destruction.

The eagles devour those left behind. Rev 19 correlates.

All... of the above is mere conjecture AWAY from Jesus' response to His disciple's question in Luke 17:37.

Luke 17:35-37
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
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And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
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Matt 24:28
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For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

The above ACTUAL Scripture shows His disciples asking Him, "Where, Lord?" about the 'TAKEN' ones, as to where... they would be taken to. The false pre-trib rapture doctrine teaches the one TAKEN is raptured to Christ, and the one left-behind is the wicked.

But IN REALITY, Jesus showed the one TAKEN is the DECEIVED, and per the Matthew 24:28 version of Jesus' answer, the TAKEN represents a dead "carcase"! (and the Greek for 'carcase' literally means a DEAD BODY.)

So since when are DEAD BODIES gathered to Jesus Christ???

Thus the Luke 17 version works like a SETUP for those on man's false pre-trib rapture doctrine. But those who bother to notice the Matthew 24:28 version that the first one 'taken' is like a dead "carcase", it helps interpret Jesus' Luke 17:37 answer, showing those "eagles" really are about fowls of prey that eat on a dead carcase, and that's where the 1st one taken is gathered to, DEFINITELY NOT TO OUR LORD JESUS.

And the reason why those on the false pre-trib rapture get suckered into their preachers twisting the meaning of Jesus' Luke 17:34 answer is because those don't know how to think for themselves; they must have someone else tell them what to think and believe.
 

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You are wasting your time. He is constantly imposing what he has been taught upon the inspired pages. You are debating with his teachers.
I cannot tell which way you are going on your rebuttal in post #598.

There is no pre-trib rapture written, so the Jewish wedding ritual doesn't actually apply to Christ's coming. The New Testament instead shows the saints represent the 'virgins', not the bride.

And Jesus' answer to His disciples at the end of Luke 17 is that the one 'taken' will be like a dead "carcase" per the Matthew 24:28 version.

In the latter part of Matthew 24, Jesus showed that His servant will be like a 'watchman' that stays sober to prevent the symbolic thief from breaking in, and says that servant found doing so when He comes will be blessed. That's about the left-behind staying in the field doing Christ's work when Jesus comes. Thus per what Jesus actually showed, BEING LEFT-BEHIND WILL BE A GOOD THING FOR HIS TRUE CHURCH!
 

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All... of the above is mere conjecture AWAY from Jesus' response to His disciple's question in Luke 17:37.

Luke 17:35-37
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
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And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV

Matt 24:28
28
For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

The above ACTUAL Scripture shows His disciples asking Him, "Where, Lord?" about the 'TAKEN' ones, as to where... they would be taken to. The false pre-trib rapture doctrine teaches the one TAKEN is raptured to Christ, and the one left-behind is the wicked.

But IN REALITY, Jesus showed the one TAKEN is the DECEIVED, and per the Matthew 24:28 version of Jesus' answer, the TAKEN represents a dead "carcase"! (and the Greek for 'carcase' literally means a DEAD BODY.)

So since when are DEAD BODIES gathered to Jesus Christ???

Thus the Luke 17 version works like a SETUP for those on man's false pre-trib rapture doctrine. But those who bother to notice the Matthew 24:28 version that the first one 'taken' is like a dead "carcase", it helps interpret Jesus' Luke 17:37 answer, showing those "eagles" really are about fowls of prey that eat on a dead carcase, and that's where the 1st one taken is gathered to, DEFINITELY NOT TO OUR LORD JESUS.

And the reason why those on the false pre-trib rapture get suckered into their preachers twisting the meaning of Jesus' Luke 17:34 answer is because those don't know how to think for themselves; they must have someone else tell them what to think and believe.
You do know that WPM does not believe in pre-trib, right? You both agree that one will be gathered to Christ and the other will be killed at that time regardless of your understanding of being taken and being left.

And, talk about conjecture. It does not say "Where will they be taken, Lord?". Why are you acting as if it specifically says that? Instead it says "Where, Lord?". I believe they were neither asking where the ones taken would be taken nor where the ones left behind would be left behind, but rather were asking where would it happen that one is taken and one is left? Jesus indicated it would happen wherever the dead carcasses (dead bodies) are, which will be everywhere on the earth on that day He returns (2 Peter 3:10-12).

The Greek word "paralambanō" is translated as "taken" in Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:36 in relation to one being taken and one being left. That word means "to take to", "to take to oneself" or "to join to one's self". So, it lines up with the church being taken up to meet the Lord in the air. The ones left are left behind to be killed and they will be found wherever there are dead bodies, which will be everywhere on earth.

So, pre-trib does not get it wrong when it comes to who is taken and who is left behind, they get it wrong in terms of what happens to those who are left behind. They don't survive and then have to go through 7 years of tribulation. They are killed on the same day the rapture occurs, which lines up with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:9 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.
 
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All... of the above is mere conjecture AWAY from Jesus' response to His disciple's question in Luke 17:37.

Luke 17:35-37
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37
And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV

Matt 24:28
28
For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

The above ACTUAL Scripture shows His disciples asking Him, "Where, Lord?" about the 'TAKEN' ones, as to where... they would be taken to. The false pre-trib rapture doctrine teaches the one TAKEN is raptured to Christ, and the one left-behind is the wicked.

But IN REALITY, Jesus showed the one TAKEN is the DECEIVED, and per the Matthew 24:28 version of Jesus' answer, the TAKEN represents a dead "carcase"! (and the Greek for 'carcase' literally means a DEAD BODY.)

So since when are DEAD BODIES gathered to Jesus Christ???

Thus the Luke 17 version works like a SETUP for those on man's false pre-trib rapture doctrine. But those who bother to notice the Matthew 24:28 version that the first one 'taken' is like a dead "carcase", it helps interpret Jesus' Luke 17:37 answer, showing those "eagles" really are about fowls of prey that eat on a dead carcase, and that's where the 1st one taken is gathered to, DEFINITELY NOT TO OUR LORD JESUS.

And the reason why those on the false pre-trib rapture get suckered into their preachers twisting the meaning of Jesus' Luke 17:34 answer is because those don't know how to think for themselves; they must have someone else tell them what to think and believe.
While i disagree with your interpretation, it is refreshing for someone to address the counter arguments. Prettibbers do not seem to know how to do that.

My last post still stands, and i believe refutes this. Please re-read.
 

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Very true. I can't deny that. I need to stop wasting my time with someone like that who is completely unreasonable and only goes by what his teachers tell him without being like the Bereans and studying it for himself. In one response he made to me, he told me he wasn't sure how to answer my questions and had to consult his notes from listening to a sermon by a pre-trib pastor. Why people don't think for themselves about things like this, I'll never know.
Exactly. It is called being programed. Pretrib has to be taught. You would never find it.
 
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Exactly. It is called being programed. Pretrib has to be taught. You would never find it.
Agree. It was never taught until the 1800s when it was popularized by John Nelson Darby. Some might say it was first taught by Morgan Edwards in the 1700s, but the point still stands that it didn't exist until long after the New Testament was written. You certainly will not see such a thing taught in any of the writings of the early church fathers. And, of course, most importantly, it is not taught in scripture.
 

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Agree. It was never taught until the 1800s when it was popularized by John Nelson Darby. Some might say it was first taught by Morgan Edwards in the 1700s, but the point still stands that it didn't exist until long after the New Testament was written. You certainly will not see such a thing taught in any of the writings of the early church fathers. And, of course, most importantly, it is not taught in scripture.
From what i recall, Morgan Edwards presented that to his professor as a hypothetical thesis, which he did not believe, for a college exam paper. He never taught it to his followers, neither did they advocate it.

He was definately not a Dispensatanist.
 

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From what i recall, Morgan Edwards presented that to his professor as a hypothetical thesis, which he did not believe, for a college exam paper. He never taught it to his followers, neither did they advocate it.

He was definately not a Dispensatanist.
Yeah. From what I've seen, some might try to claim that about Edwards, but whether the doctrine started being taught in the 1700s or the 1800s is irrelevant. It was never taught before that and is not taught in scripture.

And LOL at "Dispensatanist". :D
 
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So now because you've lost common sense, you think that gives you the right to personally attack me instead of sticking to the subject of Bible Scripture that I was talking about? You can't respond with personal attacks and expect to have a legitimate argument.

Pre-trib authors like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye pushed GLOOM AND DOOM STORIES for the reason of SENSATIONALISM thinking it supports a Pre-trib Rapture, when there's no such idea in God's Word.


This section of Scripture by Lord Jesus is NOT the "great tribulation", not yet...

Matt 24:5-8
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
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All these are the beginning of sorrows.
KJV


Below is when the "great tribulation" begins, which is the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week"...

Matt 24:15-21
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When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
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For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV

When that "great tribulation" time starts, THEN is when the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety" like Apostle Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5.

I know that before I posted it. But I was trying to keep it short and figured we all kmow that anyway, so it's not like someone might be led astray.

I didnt post enough verses one guy says, now you say I shouldve backed up some verses to explain in greater detail what we all know anyway. There's just no pleasing you guys I guess.

I guess this is Sullen Satarday for most you guys based on the posts about me while I was gone, lol. I'm not going to answer any of those posts to any of those angry ones. As was established in this thread already....this is not a salvific issue, so all you angry guys screaming so loud towards me are suggesting that all you want to do is win the debate and be declared the right ones!

Have at it you guys. Believe what you want to believe. But how you guys talk to fellow Brothers & Sisters who dont see eye to eye with what you say, is a most wonderful demonstration of the brotherly love towards one another that we walk in!! Awesome display of that! I can see right into your hearts and see what you're made of.
 
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Ah, yes. You are so special that God decided to reveal the truth about these things only to you. Good grief. Could you possibly be more arrogant than to think that way?

Can you hear yourself here? How you sound talking to your brother in Christ? You made his point for him!

I sure can tell you a deacon in WPMs church because that's just like he is. For awhile there I thought you must be a cut above him. But no, no. my mistake, just like him.
 
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I know that before I posted it. But I was trying to keep it short and figured we all kmow that anyway, so it's not like someone might be led astray.

I didnt post enough verses one guy says, now you say I shouldve backed up some vesres to explain in greater what we ll know anyway. There's just no pleasing you guys I guess.

I guess this is Sullen Satarday for most you guys based on the posts about me while I was gone, lol. I'm not going to answer any of those posts to any of those angry ones. As was established in this thread already....this is not a salvific issue, so all you angry guys screaming so loud towards me are suggesting that all you want to do is win the debate and be declared the right ones!

Have at it you guys. Believe what you want to believe. But how you guys talk to fellow Brothers & Sisters who dont see eye to eye with what you say, is a most wonderful demonstration of the brotherly love towards one another that we walk in!! Awesome display of that! I can see right into your hearts and see what you're made of.
No you cannot. Only God can do that. You really think too highly of yourself.

Everyone is angry, sullen, closed minded apart from you. You are so thin-skinned. Your ad hominem doesn't mask your avoidance and lack of Scripture.
 
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Can you hear yourself here? How you sound talking to your brother in Christ? You made his point for him!

I sure can tell you a deacon in WPMs church because that's just like he is. For awhile there I thought you must be a cut above him. But no, no. my mistake, just like him.
When Pretribbers cannot attack the message (which is always) they default to attacking the messenger. Goes with the territory!!!
 
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While i disagree with your interpretation, it is refreshing for someone to address the counter arguments. Prettibbers do not seem to know how to do that.

My last post still stands, and i believe refutes this. Please re-read.

OK, so I'll assume you mean your previous post from #608. I will address it.
 

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While i disagree with your interpretation, it is refreshing for someone to address the counter arguments. Prettibbers do not seem to know how to do that.

My last post still stands, and i believe refutes this. Please re-read.

I don't see a post where you are actually addressing the rapture subject.

But my post where I address it is easy to see, and it still stands also, as proven from Bible Scripture and not just opinion, which is all pre-tribbers can give, since a pre-trib rapture is nowhere written in God's Word, and it even goes opposite of when Jesus showed His coming and gathering of the Church is, including what Apostle Paul showed for it also.
 

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I know that before I posted it. But I was trying to keep it short and figured we all kmow that anyway, so it's not like someone might be led astray.

Oh no... there's new babes here stuck on man's false pre-trib rapture that one needs to be very specific with when covering what The Bible actually shows as written.

I didnt post enough verses one guy says, now you say I shouldve backed up some vesres to explain in greater what we ll know anyway. There's just no pleasing you guys I guess.

I could just write many paragraphs of my understanding without ever quoting The Bible Scriptures, but how would the new babe be able to know I was keeping to God's Word as written without actually showing them the Scriptures? There's some deceivers here that actually don't care what God's Word says, as they will even post Bible references that are not even about the subject they are speaking of, using those references as cannon fodder to trick the new babe into thinking they know what they are talking about. They know the majority of new babes won't take the time to look those Scripture references up for themselves.
 

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When Pretribbers cannot attack the message (which is always) they default to attacking the messenger. Goes with the territory!!!

Now you know that's not true.

All I have to do is cover what Jesus taught in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 to prove that His future return and gathering of the Church is Post-trib. I can do the same with covering the 2 Thessalonians 2 chapter by Apostle Paul also.