The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

[Randy Kluth]

Noah was told to enter the ark with his family and all the animals. He did as God told him.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Noah entered the ark with his family and all the animals and was shut in by God. He did not go out again. That is not in the text.

I gave you the text. You don't have to believe it, but it's there. God did tell Noah initially to enter the ark. But then the process of entering the ark apparently required a Week. All of the animals had to be brought in. The day Noah entered to have the door shut behind him was the day the world perished. No Tribulation!

We are not told Noah entered the ark the same day the flood began. We are told on the same day, Noah, his family and ALL the animals entered the ark. That day was the day he was told to enter the ark...........not seven days later.

Then you didn't read the entire text I quoted for you.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

I'm not disputing there were 7 days. I'm disputing whether the text indicates that the day Noah had the door shut behind him was the day the Flood began and the world was destroyed.

The destruction of the world was not comparable to the so-called "Tribulation Period." It was not akin to Antichrist venting his wrath upon the world, and God sending His curses upon that Beast system.

The Flood was judgment and destruction, all at once. No persecution of the saints, no testimony of 2 Witnesses, no 144,000, no Great Multitude coming out of the Tribulation. This was the last day of "sunny skies" for the godless on Noah's earth. This is Postribulational, if anything at all!

If we are to compare Noah's Flood to the endtimes I would have to say that Noah's time living among the wicked was his "Tribulation period." The world was godless, and Noah was an oddity--not a part of the wicked society. Undoubtedly, God had laid curses upon the society, though they were happy to persevere in their sins.

It was after this long period of wickedness that Noah entered the ark and was delivered from this "Tribulation Period." Postribulational all the way!

 

[Timtofly]

Premil contradicts this by saying that at least 2 times or hours are coming when the dead will be resurrected.

Way more resurrections specifically and literally are addressed in Scripture, than a single all consuming resurrection.

John 11:43-44.

Matthew 27:52-53.

Revelation 20:4-6

How can one live and reign with Christ without a head? That is not symbolism nor figurative. Most believe they were beheaded, and then received the first resurrection. In fact it states, "but the rest of the dead did not live again", according to you, ever. You don't accept the amount of time the rest of the dead wait is literal.

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

How is this not literally saying that some did live again, and that was called the first resurrection? Because "live again" is not anastasis? They lived, they were beheaded. They were judged, and they lived again as if they were never dead, nor beheaded. Which is physical life, not just spiritual life, without a head.

So what is your verse actually saying more than you are just symbolizing?

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

It does not say that all whoever died shall hear His voice. If any are still dead and buried, they will hear His voice. No OT redeemed are still dead at that hour. They all came out at the Cross, when they heard His voice say, "It is finished". Does that contradict your verse? No! Is there a verse that says that? Sure.

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live."

Those who hear God, will never even enter death, but has passed from death into life. They leave this physical body of sin and death and enter God's permanent incorruptible physical body. They will never come out of a grave, because only the dead enter sheol, and the grave. That already started before and because of the Cross. That hour already started. So people alive in a dead body, will leave that dead body, and enter a living body, immediately. Those of the OT would receive the first resurrection at the Cross. All after the Cross recieve the first resurrection, because it is ongoing. And it is physical, because:

"He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

But the rest of the dead, remain dead, and are souls stuck in sheol without life. Hence they are called the dead. The dead in Christ, do not need a resurrection, because they stopped being the dead, with the second birth. They are physically in Christ, and physically enjoying Paradise, as we sit here and discuss this in this forum.

So back to your verse:

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

Contrary to popular opinion, it seems that even the dead have one last chance at the second birth, because

"they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life."

Now we know:

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."

So doing good in this life won't cut it for the redeemed nor for the dead. The only righteousness any one has even the dead in sheol is still:

"Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness."

So any at that last judgment, can be redeemed, not that they are good in themselves, but they can still receive the righteousness of God at that point, because that is what Jesus said, not that the redeemed would still all be dead. Believe it or not, but God's election still stands sure for those in sheol, because their names are still written in the Lamb's book of life. They just have chose not to take advantage of that point. Nor can they until the GWT, which is the last chance they can say no, and enter the LOF. Jesus seemed confident that some, would say yes, and that is their only good, they can do, as the rest is God's righteousness in them at that point.

In fact:

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

This points out, the majority will not live again. They will never receive eternal life. But yet some can live again, and receive the first resurrection. Until the GWT Judgment happens no one can say who gets to live nor has to remain dead. They have not stood in judgment, though many have already condemned them to remain dead. Although some want them to have a physical body to experience the LOF, but no, those currently in Paradise cannot have a physical body to experience a physical Paradise.

See how off one's bias is when they assume something that is not even written? By saying "all who ever died", instead of "all who are still dead", at that point

 

[The Light]

In fact:

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

This points out, the majority will not live again. They will never receive eternal life. But yet some can live again, and receive the first resurrection. Until the GWT Judgment happens no one can say who gets to live nor has to remain dead. They have not stood in judgment, though many have already condemned them to remain dead. Although some want them to have a physical body to experience the LOF, but no, those currently in Paradise cannot have a physical body to experience a physical Paradise.

See how off one's bias is when they assume something that is not even written? By saying "all who ever died", instead of "all who are still dead", at that point

Exactly. I wonder if it is more important to know the truth or protect a fallen doctrine.

 

[The Light]

Well, WPM made a good point, and you may have missed it. Jesus said this:
Luke 17.27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

And Genesis says this:
Gen 7.11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.

So what we have here is Jesus saying the worldly celebration ended on the day Noah entered the ark, at which time the Flood came and destroyed them all. And in Genesis it is said that on the day Noah and his family entered the ark, on the 17th day of the 2nd month, the Flood began.

So if you say that Noah entered the ark, and the Flood did not come for another seven days, we seem to have a contradiction. We are told that the Flood came on the day Noah entered the ark. And yet there is this 7 day period before the Flood began. How do we reconcile that? It may be that the passage indicates God is giving Noah 7 days to enter the ark, indicating that there was a week long process required to do so.

Gen 7.6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.

Obviously, entering into the ark with all of those animals was an extended process, even if God guided the animals to the ark...

Gen 7.The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”

I don't think there is much question in my mind, though--it was the day Noah entered into the ark, and the door was shut, that the Flood began--not 7 days later. Some people believe that all of the animals of the world entered into the ark. I believe a representative sample of animals from the area entered in to display God's grace towards the earth. It was not an impossible task, but it would certainly require a week!

So I don't think you're correct to say that Noah entered the ark and waited 7 days. I think he probably spent the week getting all of the animals on board.

But you're trying to compare this Flood event with a supposed Pretribulation Rapture of the Church. How is Noah's escape from the Flood an escape from a Tribulation Period? The day Noah escaped the world was destroyed!

I didn't know if you were talking the Wedding Supper of the Lamb or the partying in the world in Noah's time? Either way, the partying ended the day Noah was shut in on the ark. The escape was simultaneous with the end of the world. No Tribulation Period!

This seems rather silly to me. You are trying to say "something happened?" "Did the animals go crazy?" What are you trying to prove, that something that is not mentioned is somehow a symbol of a Tribulation that follows Noah entering into the ark and being there for 7 days?

You're using another difficult prophecy to try to prove your present claim that the Flood indicates a Pretribulation Rapture. That's why I insist on explicit biblical statements before we can call it "Biblical Doctrine." You are inventing your own ideas based on speculation about vague passages and symbolic visions. Not reliable. In fact, it's illegitimate. You're entitled to believe in a Flat Earth, but you're not entitled to create doctrine out of vague passages and speculations without explicit statements.

Your comparison between the Flood and a Pretribulation Rapture leaves me unconvinced. Particularly of concern is the fact you have no biblical statement indicating that. Therefore, it is an illegitimate claim.

How is it possible for Noah, his family and all animals to enter the ark in the self same day and that be the day of the flood if they begin entering on day one as they were told by God.

What you claim is impossible. Simple as that.

 

[The Light]

I'm not disputing there were 7 days. I'm disputing whether the text indicates that the day Noah had the door shut behind him was the day the Flood began and the world was destroyed.

I understand what you are disputing. You think Noah was shut in the day of the flood. The text says that Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in the self same day. That mean's they had to enter in one day.

Look below at Genesis 7:13. You see that paragraph symbol (¶). That means there is a new paragraph. In Genesis 7:12 There was rain up the earth forty days and forty nights. That is the conclusion of the previous paragraph. You are going into the text of the previous paragraph and grabbing the subject which is the flood happened on the same day that Noah was 600 years old plus 2 months and 17 days. When what is really being said in Genesis 7:13 is that Noah, his family and all the entered the ark in one day. Not the day of the flood. The day he was told to enter. And God shut him in 6 days before the flood.

Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Genesis 7:12
And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Genesis 7:13
¶
In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

Genesis 7:14
They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

The text clearly shows that Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in one day. That day was the day he was told to enter which is day one. It is impossible for Noah and all to enter in the self same day and that be the day of the flood if they were told to enter on day 1.

You are trying to make the text say what you want it to say because of your doctrine. Let your doctrine be what the text says.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I wonder why you our avoiding my question. Because you have no Scripture to bring to the table.

Please answer a simple question that no Pretrib can seem to answer: where in Scripture teaches (1) a rapture of the Church, (2) immediately followed by a literal seven-year tribulation, (3) immediately followed by a further coming of Christ?

Where ?
Mat 24
Mar 25
Rev 19
Rev14
Acts1
Like17
Just a few.
Stop saying I didn't answer.
I am not worried if it is 3 yrs or 20 years.
You guys miss the tree ,and endlessly chop at leaves on branches, when you have no idea the purpose or the GT, or the purpose of the rapture.
Understand the panoramic picture and purpose, then address the leaves on the tree.

Bride fetched = rapture of church
Times of Gentiles completed, God turns attention to the wife gone adhering ( the covenant Jews of romans 11)
Also know as the GT,Or Jacob's trouble.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Good point. The day of Noah's deliverance was the same day the wicked were judged and destroyed. This is *not* Pretrib!

Lol
Mat 24 and Luke 17 describe the setting and timing of prejudgement in both instances.
No way was either taken in the setting of some postrib doctrine.
It just flat out is impossible.
It has to be 2 entirely different events in mat24
One the second coming postrib.
The other is the rapture with one taken,one left,watch and be ready.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I did a thread a year ago about the Galilean Wedding, but I did not see any such concluding parallel with a Pre-Trib. Rapture.
1. We are given preliminary signs to look for in Matt. 24: " the begining of sorrows" and that " the gospel will be preached to every Tribe and nation and the end will come. Anytime during the GT will be a sudden surprise.
2. The signs gives us a sense of imminency. Wars ) particularly in tye Middle East right now), earthquakes, pestilence (Covid-19), and the Gospel has been preached to the entire world.
3. A marriage ceremony celebration can occur after the GT is over.

The trumpet sound is the last trumpet btw. How could the wedding trumpet be the last if there are seven trumpets blown during the GT? I say omniscient a Mid-Trib. Rapture @ the 7th Trumpet.
Look at what happens St the 7th trumpet:
1. "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ;
2. He begins His reign forever and ever.”
3. Worship and thanks
4. Wrath comes /Armeggedon/ deadly harvest
5. The dead are judged
6. Rewards are given to the Church
7. The Temple of God is opened
8. Mystery of God is revealed and the mystery of what we will be like as well.
9. Flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.

Thread 'A Galilean Wedding & the Second Coming ...' A Galilean Wedding & the Second Coming ...

BTW, I didn't get as much traction as you did. Only a few found it interesting. The Galilean Wedding does parallel elements of the Second Coming when Jesus comes for His Bride; that I agree with.
Heck Great Tribulation is about to start in Israel. Iran along with nine other nations ( that I think manifests the BEAST) is about to attack Israel ... we are likely only months away from seeing this war against Israel. This will escalate until likely a nuclear war ends it in one hour.

The Jews are gathered mid trib in Rev 14.
The gentile church is the bride gathered pretrib.
All rapture verses are pretrib setting. Every single one is peacetime,normal life, and commerce.
No other position can compare to the pretrib rapture.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Lol
Mat 24 and Luke 17 describe the setting and timing of prejudgement in both instances.
No way was either taken in the setting of some postrib doctrine.
It just flat out is impossible.
It has to be 2 entirely different events in mat24
One the second coming postrib.
The other is the rapture with one taken,one left,watch and be ready.

Asserting things holds no conviction whatsoever. If you wish to argue something make clear cohesive points--not propaganda-style claims. There is no real basis, from my perspective, in dividing different versions of a single Discourse into divergent meanings and events.

Using different words to describe the same Address means that different synonyms are being used for the same ideas. All evidence, for me, is that the same ideas are being relayed in all 3 versions of the Olivet Discourse. I've done the study, and I've done the comparisons. They are all the same Address using varied descriptions, and yet the same, ideas.

For example, all 3 versions, in Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 17 and 21, begin with the assertion, by Jesus, that Jerusalem and its Temple will fall to the Romans. This is based on Dan 9, where the Abomination of Desolation, the Army of a military leader, destroys the city and the sanctuary.

All 3 assert this will happen in the generation of Jesus' Apostles. And it will lead to the greatest Jewish punishment the world has ever seen, the Great Tribulation, or the Great Diaspora of the Jewish People.

Until the Son of Man descends from heaven there will be kingdoms and individuals who attempt to rival the Kingdom of God, but they will be false. And the world will continue in its pagan ways, persecuting the righteous. But the Kingdom of God will be established on earth at the end of this period and God's People will be delivered.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Asserting things holds no conviction whatsoever. If you wish to argue something make clear cohesive points--not propaganda-style claims. There is no real basis, from my perspective, in dividing different versions of a single Discourse into divergent meanings and events.

Using different words to describe the same Address means that different synonyms are being used for the same ideas. All evidence, for me, is that the same ideas are being relayed in all 3 versions of the Olivet Discourse. I've done the study, and I've done the comparisons. They are all the same Address using varied descriptions, and yet the same, ideas.

For example, all 3 versions, in Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 17 and 21, begin with the assertion, by Jesus, that Jerusalem and its Temple will fall to the Romans. This is based on Dan 9, where the Abomination of Desolation, the Army of a military leader, destroys the city and the sanctuary.

All 3 assert this will happen in the generation of Jesus' Apostles. And it will lead to the greatest Jewish punishment the world has ever seen, the Great Tribulation, or the Great Diaspora of the Jewish People.

Until the Son of Man descends from heaven there will be kingdoms and individuals who attempt to rival the Kingdom of God, but they will be false. And the world will continue in its pagan ways, persecuting the righteous. But the Kingdom of God will be established on earth at the end of this period and God's People will be delivered.

Setting is indeed propaganda to you.
Just keep telling yourself setting is a bogey man.
That is all you have said.
Jesus changed the setting to" before the flood"
And YES! That setting, by Jesus , is NOT COHESIVE to your opposite doctrine.
I just reported what was said.
You called Jesus's SETTING CHANGE propaganda, unclear,non cohesive and divergent.
Take it up with Jesus. He said it. I just reported what he said to your doctrines dismay.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I understand what you are disputing. You think Noah was shut in the day of the flood. The text says that Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in the self same day. That mean's they had to enter in one day.

Look below at Genesis 7:13. You see that paragraph symbol (¶). That means there is a new paragraph. In Genesis 7:12 There was rain up the earth forty days and forty nights. That is the conclusion of the previous paragraph. You are going into the text of the previous paragraph and grabbing the subject which is the flood happened on the same day that Noah was 600 years old plus 2 months and 17 days. When what is really being said in Genesis 7:13 is that Noah, his family and all the entered the ark in one day. Not the day of the flood. The day he was told to enter. And God shut him in 6 days before the flood.

Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Genesis 7:12
And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

Genesis 7:13
¶
In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

Genesis 7:14
They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

The text clearly shows that Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in one day. That day was the day he was told to enter which is day one. It is impossible for Noah and all to enter in the self same day and that be the day of the flood if they were told to enter on day 1.

You are trying to make the text say what you want it to say because of your doctrine. Let your doctrine be what the text says.

I gave you the texts. English grammatical markers notwithstanding, the text indicates that the day Noah was shut in was the day the Flood began. There were 7 days after Noah was given the orders to begin entry, but the loading up of all the animals likely took a week. There is no other way to read it that I know of.

Luke 17.27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

Conclusion: The Flood came the *day* Noah entered the ark.

Gen 7.11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.

Conclusion: On the very *day* Noah entered the ark *on that day* all of the springs of the great deep burst forth, which was the Flood.

You can talk about "7 days" all you want, but you still have to deal with these statements. But you don't.

 

[Randy Kluth]

How is it possible for Noah, his family and all animals to enter the ark in the self same day and that be the day of the flood if they begin entering on day one as they were told by God.

What you claim is impossible. Simple as that.

Noah and his family could begin loading up the ark on the day God told them to. But the job would likely require a week. The day they completed their entry was the day they were shut in and the Flood began.

 

[Timtofly]

And that is exactly... what you did, falsely claiming I believed in some stupid Post-Mill theory, which is a lie.

I never said you believed it.

I said that is how you present your argument.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I gave you the texts. English grammatical markers notwithstanding, the text indicates that the day Noah was shut in was the day the Flood began. There were 7 days after Noah was given the orders to begin entry, but the loading up of all the animals likely took a week. There is no other way to read it that I know of.

Luke 17.27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

Conclusion: The Flood came the *day* Noah entered the ark.

Gen 7.11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.

Conclusion: On the very *day* Noah entered the ark *on that day* all of the springs of the great deep burst forth, which was the Flood.

You can talk about "7 days" all you want, but you still have to deal with these statements. But you don't.

We can all see He entered the ark pretrib.
God shut the door pretrib.
Then while the trib was happening Noah is over a mile above the earth.
Pretrib rapture.
Nothing...NOTHING...of a postrib gathering or dynamic.
...except that they return to earth post Judgement.
...vivid pretrib rapture dynamics.

 

[The Light]

I gave you the texts. English grammatical markers notwithstanding, the text indicates that the day Noah was shut in was the day the Flood began. There were 7 days after Noah was given the orders to begin entry, but the loading up of all the animals likely took a week. There is no other way to read it that I know of.

Luke 17.27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

Conclusion: The Flood came the *day* Noah entered the ark.

Come on. Bad conclusion.

First thing Noah is told to do is enter the ark. That is when they quit eating and drinking and marrying and being married..... The day Noah enters the ark.

Gen 7.11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.

Conclusion: On the very *day* Noah entered the ark *on that day* all of the springs of the great deep burst forth, which was the Flood.

You can talk about "7 days" all you want, but you still have to deal with these statements. But you don't.

Conclusion is that you have jumped over to a bad translation.

And this proves it.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

This shows the Noah and the animals entered and it came to pass after 7 days that the flood was upon the earth.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Jews are gathered mid trib in Rev 14.
The gentile church is the bride gathered pretrib.
All rapture verses are pretrib setting. Every single one is peacetime,normal life, and commerce.
No other position can compare to the pretrib rapture.

Sorry I have studied it for 25 years. I disagree with a Pre-Trib view. I wish I didn't and would prefer that but am just stuck on the last trumpet being #7. And then we see a GREAT MULTITUDE in Rev. 7 _ WHO JUST CAME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATUON _ THAT NO ONE COULD NUMBER. If they just came out of it, that means they were in it!
As I have described the details of what takes place at the 7th Trumpet and you cannot see that it correlates to the Rapture, then stick with what you believe and we shall soon see. The GT is about to begin,and when we are still here, you'll be scratching your head!

I don't buy into the Gap Theory either. Jesus began his ministry after the 69 weeks of years and was cut off in the middle. Finishing that 70th week was not necessary, it was inclusive. Gabriel was delivering an accurate message, (precise time) to Daniel that wasn't altered - it described Jesus 1st Coming only and then alluded to the destruction of Jerusalem (not within the 70 weeks- didn't have to be, it was a parenthetical statement made - additional facts added).

 

[WPM]

Where ?
Mat 24
Mar 25
Rev 19
Rev14
Acts1
Like17
Just a few.
Stop saying I didn't answer.
I am not worried if it is 3 yrs or 20 years.
You guys miss the tree ,and endlessly chop at leaves on branches, when you have no idea the purpose or the GT, or the purpose of the rapture.
Understand the panoramic picture and purpose, then address the leaves on the tree.

Bride fetched = rapture of church
Times of Gentiles completed, God turns attention to the wife gone adhering ( the covenant Jews of romans 11)
Also know as the GT,Or Jacob's trouble.

I think you know what we know. Your doctrine is not in God's Book. That is why you present a post like this that does not in any way address the question. Your avoidance, and that of your fellow Pretribbers, confirms what the rest of us already know.

 

[The Light]

Noah and his family could begin loading up the ark on the day God told them to. But the job would likely require a week. The day they completed their entry was the day they were shut in and the Flood began.

As I said the text shows new paragraph. You are using the fact that Noah was 600 plus years old on the same day as the flood and trying to claim the animals loaded on that day.

False. They all entered on the selfsame day. Day one.......the day God told him to enter.

Noah entered and after 7 days the flood was upon the earth.

Cut and dried

 

[WPM]

Come on. Bad conclusion.

First thing Noah is told to do is enter the ark. That is when they quit eating and drinking and marrying and being married..... The day Noah enters the ark.


Conclusion is that you have jumped over to a bad translation.

And this proves it.

Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

This shows the Noah and the animals entered and it came to pass after 7 days that the flood was upon the earth.

Read what it says, not what you have been taught:

Genesis 7:11-13: "the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark."

Not only are you foisting something upon the text in Genesis that it does not say, you refuse to acknowledge the words of Jesus Christ on this matter that reinforce what happened. Do you realize that the NT is the fuller revelation? Do you not see that Christ had a full knowledge of what occurred? You have been stepping around His words throughout the course of this thread.

What is more, what has 7 days in Noah's day to do with 7 years in your so-called future tribulation? Do you think Noah's world went through a 7-day great tribulation before the flood came?

Whatever angle you look at it, your reasoning doesn't add up here. You're going to have to come clean. You're going to have to put your cards on the table. What are you trying to say? Why will you not address the explicit and irrefutable words of Jesus on this subject.

 

[WPM]

Setting is indeed propaganda to you.
Just keep telling yourself setting is a bogey man.
That is all you have said.
Jesus changed the setting to" before the flood"
And YES! That setting, by Jesus , is NOT COHESIVE to your opposite doctrine.
I just reported what was said.
You called Jesus's SETTING CHANGE propaganda, unclear,non cohesive and divergent.
Take it up with Jesus. He said it. I just reported what he said to your doctrines dismay.

What are you talking about? This does not make sense.