Eternally Grateful
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Do you even know the covenant God made with David?
I think it is quite obvious. Since his seed will build a temple.. The temple will be rebuilt.
Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?
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I think it is quite obvious. Since his seed will build a temple.. The temple will be rebuilt.
Davy
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LOL all you want, but that's not going to make your theory correct.
I'm thinking SDA holds to the theory you are trying to show that Jesus' Ministry included the final 70th week, so are you SDA?
I've already shown how it is impossible for the Daniel 9 Scripture to be about Christ when it mentions the prince that shall come who destroys the city and temple, that being the Roman general Titus. From that point and to include Daniel 9:27 is all about Antichrist, Titus as a little antichrist, and the main Antichrist that's to come at the end who will place the "abomination that maketh desolate."
Thus saying that is Jesus Christ Who fulfills that latter part is truly something to LOL about, because that idea is so false, and is from the "synagogue of Satan" that hates Christ.
I'm not talking about the temple. I'm talking about David's original literal physical throne, which is necessary to satisfy your claim.
Eternally Grateful
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No
Because if you read the covenant given to david, God did not allow him to build a house. He said however, His seed (a future child) would build and that house would stand forever.
Nothing to do with David's original literal physical throne, which you claim Jesus will sit upon.
Eternally Grateful
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I am just claiming what the bible says
He will sit on davids throne.
But all you want to do is argue. so I will let you go. I am sick of trying to explain things..
So is that David's original literal physical throne?
Yes,
or
No?
I'd be sick of trying to explain nonsense, too.
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jeffweeder
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I see you avoided my point again.
70 weeks is all about Messiah securing our redemption. Mission accomplished.
3 For by the grace [of God] given to me I say to every one of you not to think more highly of himself [and of his importance and ability] than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has apportioned to each a degree of faith [and a purpose designed for service].
There you have it, folks.Apparently you consider the entire historical orthodox true Christian Church to be "a certain group of deceivers from Satan's servants".
Because, unlike you, they did not believe that Christ is antichrist.
Provide one, just one, name of a recognized historical Christian expositor before the 19th century, who ascribed Daniel 9:27 to antichrist.
Just one name.
If you cannot, we know who is following "a certain group of deceivers from Satan's servants".
The one who is "following a certain group of deceivers from Satan's servants".
And he's deliberately and intentionally blinded himself to his own self-deception.
But when one believes that Christ is antichrist, any and all self-deceptions are possible.
Eternally Grateful
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No it is not. If your not part of Davids people then it is not even about you
Sadly people can not understand context of the word. And will lead people astray
Eternally Grateful
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Well lets seeThere you have it, folks.
The one who is "following a certain group of deceivers from Satan's servants".
And he's deliberately and intentionally blinded himself to his own self-deception.
But when one believes that Christ is antichrist, any and all self-deceptions are possible.
You think the antichrist (the prince who is to come) is Christ. And his covenant is only 7 years, not eternal. and he will commit the abomination that causes desolation..
Talk about deliberately and intentionally blinding yourself.. Your the master
jeffweeder
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The 70 weeks are about redemption
24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
What do you think they are about?
For the Jew first then the Gentile
God so loved the world that he sent his Son to redeem us.
Jn 10
14 I am the Good Shepherd, and I know [without any doubt those who are] My own and My own know Me [and have a deep, personal relationship with Me]— 15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father—and I lay down My [very own] life [sacrificing it] for the benefit of the sheep. 16 I have other sheep [beside these] that are not of this fold. I must bring those also, and they will listen to My voice and pay attention to My call, and they will become one flock with one Shepherd.
Eternally Grateful
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no its not
its about Daniels people and Holy city which is scattered across the world. And lies in desolation
There you go. I REST MY CASE!!
Israel is still in sin even till today
Israels sins will be atoned when the redeemer comes from Zion, to take away her sins (when she repents)
Israel we are told once this is fulfilled. Will not longer sin the sins which caused her demise to begin with
There is still a lot of prophecy yet to be gone through.
And finally Jesus will be anointed, and sit on davids throne, and rule with a rod of Iron.
Your context is out of wack. don;t bring gentiles into a covenant and promise which was never given or made for them
Davy
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Only thing I've avoided is believing the baloney you're trying to push. Others here might be ignorant of your SDA belief that Jesus was Who fulfilled the 70th week, but I'm not ignorant of what you're trying to push that goes against the written Daniel Scripture.
jeffweeder
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Jesus has already atoned for their sins and the rest of the worlds.
Many Israelites have already repented and had their sins washed away.
The very foundation of the church is Israelite.
Acts 17
30 Therefore God overlooked and disregarded the former ages of ignorance; but now He commands all people everywhere to repent [that is, to change their old way of thinking, to regret their past sins, and to seek God’s purpose for their lives], 31 because He has set a day when He will judge the inhabited world in righteousness by a Man whom He has appointed and destined for that task, and He has provided credible proof to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”
Rev 21
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven final plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a vast and lofty mountain, and showed me the holy (sanctified) city of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having God’s glory [filled with His radiant light]. The brilliance of it resembled a rare and very precious jewel, like jasper, shining and clear as crystal. 12 It had a massive and high wall, with twelve [large] gates, and at the gates [were stationed] twelve angels; and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were written. 13 On the east side [there were] three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb (Christ).
Heb 12
18 For you have not come [as did the Israelites in the wilderness] to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to gloom and darkness and a raging windstorm, 19 and to the blast of a trumpet and a sound of words [such that] those who heard it begged that nothing more be said to them. 20 For they could not bear the command, “If even a wild animal touches the mountain, it will be stoned [to death].” 21 In fact, so terrifying was the sight, that Moses said, “I am filled with fear and trembling.” 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels [in festive gathering], 23 and to the general assembly and assembly of the firstborn who are registered [as citizens] in heaven, and to God, who is Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous (the redeemed in heaven) who have been made perfect [bringing them to their final glory], 24 and to Jesus, the Mediator of a new covenant [uniting God and man], and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks [of mercy], a better and nobler and more gracious message than the blood of Abel [which cried out for vengeance].
The Unshaken Kingdom
25 See to it that you do not refuse [to listen to] Him who is speaking [to you now]. For if those [sons of Israel] did not escape when they refused [to listen to] him who warned them on earth [revealing God’s will], how much less will we escape if we turn our backs on Him who warns from heaven? 26 His voice shook the earth [at Mount Sinai] then, but now He has given a promise, saying, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the [starry] heaven.” 27 Now this [expression], “Yet once more,” indicates the removal and final transformation of all those things which can be shaken—that is, of that which has been created—so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, and offer to God pleasing service and acceptable worship with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is [indeed] a consuming fire.
jeffweeder
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Davy
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Might as well be stacked with them, since I've heard their followers teach that false doctrine of Jesus having fulfilled the 70th week of Daniel.
Who am I? I'm a disciple of Jesus Christ. Thus I listen to Him in His Word. I am non-denominational, but I was raised in a mainstream Christian Church. They held to men's seminary doctrines of false Preterism, which I do not keep.
There's only one individual identified as a prince in Daniel 9.
He is Messiah.
He came, more than 2,000 years ago.
His Everlasting Covenant began with those who believed on Him in Israel, for seven years.
The abomination of desolation was the Roman armies. Luke 21:20. Yes, Messiah did commit them, to be His servants of judgment and destruction upon Israel in 70 AD. You've got that right.
There's no antichrist to be seen. The word does not exist in OT Hebrew.
Except via imagination or hallucination.
Like yours and Davy's.
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Davy
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Jesus became the Perfect Sacrifice for the remission of sin, for all time. But that is ONLY for those who believe on Him, and NOT for the non-believer. Universalist ideas are NOT written in God's Word.
jeffweeder
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Be careful not to insult and judge those who Jesus loves.
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