Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[Wick Stick]

It makes no sense for Yeshua to speak Greek to the Jews. Actually, Aramaic was the language in the area.

What area? Judea?

Jesus grew up in Egypt and then Galilee; not Judea. It makes plenty of sense to speak Greek there. His ministry was also to Perea, and Gedara, the coastal cities around Capernaum, and the cities of the Decapolis in Transjordan. Greek makes sense in all those places.

Jesus probably spoke Greek. Maybe not to the Jews in Judea, but that is only a small part of where He traveled.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

That was uncalled for. Carl is VERY much "into" spiritual discernment!

] cc: @Carl Emerson

But then should he not know of the perfect translation? What is his choice.

WHAT IS HE BEING GUIDED TO OR SHOWN.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

What area? Judea?

Jesus grew up in Egypt and then Galilee; not Judea. It makes plenty of sense to speak Greek there. His ministry was also to Perea, and Gedara, the coastal cities around Capernaum, and the cities of the Decapolis in Transjordan. Greek makes sense in all those places.

Jesus probably spoke Greek. Maybe not to the Jews in Judea, but that is only a small part of where He traveled.

You disagree? ( copied from above)

What Language did Jesus Speak? Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek?​

There were several common languages in the time and land of Jesus that he could have spoken. Discover which language Jesus most likely spoke and taught in as we look at the biblical and historical evidence.

www.christianity.com

The Language of Jesus​

Aramaic

It is the general consensus of religious scholars and historians that Jesus and his disciples primarily spoke Aramaic, the traditional language of Judea in the first century AD. Their Aramaic was most likely a Galilean accent distinct from that of Jerusalem. Jesus spent most of his time in the communities of Nazareth and Capernaum in Galilee, which were Aramaic-speaking villages. The Gospels support this view showing Jesus using various Aramaic terms: talitha koum (Mark 5:41); ephphatha (Mark 7:34); eloi eloi lama sabachthani (Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34); abba (Mark 14:36). Historians, scientists, and social anthropologists largely agree that Aramaic was the prevalent language in Israel during Jesus’ time. Aramaic was very similar to Hebrew, but with many terms and expressions that were acquired from other languages and cultures, notably Babylonian.

 

[Wick Stick]

You disagree? ( copied from above)

I think Jesus spoke both. Not sure why it has to be one or the other.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I think Jesus spoke both. Not sure why it has to be one or the other.

Oh, I am certain He did. Maybe more?

Why one over the other... I guess the search for the perfect scriptures perfectly translated when it comes to the Greek prose we read in the scriptures... NO two translations are identical..due to the search for perfection. And they miss.

I feel it should be both for comparison. Greek translations as well as Aramaic translations.
Ummmm... if for no other reason then to be certain all people were taught the same.

 

[BarneyFife]

That was uncalled for. Carl is VERY much "into" spiritual discernment!

] cc: @Carl Emerson

Ascribing motive makes me ill. I don't see how Christians can do it, honestly. I can't say I'm guiltless, either, but:

"Man looks on the outward appearance..."

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[Carl Emerson]

It makes no sense for Yeshua to speak Greek to the Jews. Actually, Aramaic was the language in the area.

Aramaic was the spoken language of first century Israel.

According to first century Jewish historian, Josephus, Jews didn't speak Greek in first century Israel. He wrote:

"I have also taken a great deal of pains to obtain the learning of the Greeks, and understand the elements of the Greek language, although I have so long accustomed myself to speak our own tongue, that I cannot pronounce Greek with sufficient exactness; for our nation does not encourage those that learn the languages of many nations, and so adorn their discourses with the smoothness of their periods; because they look upon this sort of accomplishment as common, not only to all sorts of free-men, but to as many of the servants as please to learn them. But they give him the testimony of being a wise man who is fully acquainted with our laws, and is able to interpret their meaning; on which account, as there have been many who have done their endeavors with great patience to obtain this learning, there have yet hardly been so many as two or three that have succeeded therein, who were immediately well rewarded for their pains. – Antiquities of Jews XX, XI

Not so - My Greek tutor was Prof Blaiklock who was the Prof. of Classics at Auckland and was on the translation team for the NIV. He explained that anyone in business in Jesus day understood the rudiments of what he called Coptic Greek as it was the universal trade language of the time. In fact the reason why the Gospel spread so fast in the known world was because Greek carried the concepts better than any other language of the day. Paul would have been fluent in Greek and the very existence of the Septuagint which Jesus quoted confirms this.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The fact that you’re asking shows you aren’t into spiritual discernment and that you really aren’t interested in the matter.

Your response shows me that your attempt to discern my position is way off target.

It seems you are unwilling to disclose and discuss your beliefs.

Once more the simple question.

What text or translation do you claim is perfect.

 

[Carl Emerson]

??? 3And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

Sorry Rella - I said John by mistake, I meant James.

 

[Ritajanice]

r. Carl is VERY much "into" spiritual discernment!

] cc: @Carl Emerson

100% Amen!!...

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It is folly to believe in a perfect text or a perfect translation.

I already noted your opinion.

The perfect translation that I have is folly to you.

So Move on…

 

[Behold]

translation team for the NIV.

One of the worst Translations ever created.

I dont even classify it as a bible., as its so waters down important doctrine, and changes verses, and omits them.

I dont let my Students even read it.
I tell everyone who uses it to get rid of it.. as it will not only ruin your faith, it will keep you away from spiritual growth.

 

[St. SteVen]

I think Jesus spoke both. Not sure why it has to be one or the other.

Right. The New Testament was written in Greek. It was the common trade language of the times. (as I understand it)

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[Carl Emerson]

Isn't that your job?

You are the one here who is talking about the "original".

Why dont you find that one.. /??????????

A.) It does not exist.

I have already explained I used the term as an expression.

It seems when I ask a simple question like 'what do you consider a perfect text or translation' you dive for cover.

Is it the New World Translation, or the Book of Mormon, or the writings of EGW, or the KJV, or the seven volumes of Russell why are you reluctant to disclose, and refuse to discuss?

 

[Behold]

It seems when I ask a simple question like 'what do you consider a perfect text or translation' you dive for cover.

I saw that you asked another member that,....

Im not him.


Also, what i do is provide detailed info on what bibles to avoid.,.. so that the Reader can do some research for themselves.

I personally prefer a few versions., yet, when i teach, i use these, and i'll post a photo for you...

So, asking me to show you what is "Perfect" when you dont actually accept that the Bible is God breathed & ordained, ... so, dont start pretending about that now....
Ok? Mr"Originals". ??

So.....No need to go there., as you are not capable of BIBLE Believing, as you have been "scholarship'd" out of it, long ago.

And as for the NIV...

Its creation is directly related to Westcott and Hort.

So, once again, you always have to go to the source to find the DECAY...the rot, the poison.
And if you were serious about "textual criticism", and "manuscript evidence" beyond just "name dropping" nonsense, then you would know that those 2 men are seriously evil, and they are directly connected to the : NIV

You dont know it, and there is so much that you dont know.
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[Carl Emerson]

So, asking me to show you what is "Perfect" when you dont actually accept that the Bible is God breathed & ordained

Mmmm...

Personal attacks and false accusations are not really appropriate.

It would have been better to ask me if I thought the Scripture was God breathed, and ordained - and I would have confirmed this as I have in previous posts.

James 3

17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

 

[Carl Emerson]

"name dropping" nonsense

Mmmm...

Actually I lived with the Blaiklocks - salt of the earth and loved Jesus.

Sad to see you just 'mouthing' again...

James 5

17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

 

[Behold]

Mmmm...

Personal attacks and false accusations are not really appropriate.

You showed up with the "Originals".

Remember?

I then explained the issue with that "manuscript" falsehood, by showing you some facts about those false "originals".

And you should do a deep dive into the lives of Westcott and Hort, and then you'll be able to discover some "issues" with that horrible NIV regarding WHY they exist.

 

[Spyder]

You showed up with the "Originals".

Remember?

I then explained the issue with that "manuscript" falsehood, by showing you some facts about those false "originals".

And you should do a deep dive into the lives of Westcott and Hort, and then you'll be able to discover some "issues" with that horrible NIV regarding WHY they exist.

And that gives us a great reason to study and WAIT for Yahweh to provide conviction. Over the years, I have learned that some claim "conviction" on things that were false.

 

[Behold]

And that gives us a great reason to study and WAIT for Yahweh to provide conviction. Over the years, I have learned that some claim "conviction" on things that were false.

The Devil comes as an "angel of Light"... = Philosophy, Theology, Religion, Calvinism, "Mary flew to heaven in a dead body".

= "His ministers" come as : " the ministers of Righteousness"..

They come with all their "here is how you do righteousness, here is how you earn it, here is how you keep it.. here is how you you you you you... me, me me me me me......""

See that?

The Devils righteousness is SELF Righteousness, so HIS preachers, preach..."you have to DO this, and you have to EARN this, and you have to GET TO THIS place".

And that is the Devil's idea of it...

Whereas God's Righteousness, is "THE GIFT of Righteousness"... that is given, so that the born again believer exists IN IT, at all times..

A.) "IN Christ"... "ONE with God"..

And from that PLACE of "being made righteous"... the CHRISTian, then serves God correctly, within their understanding, as that is where the POWER to perform a perfected discipleship is GENERATED.