Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[Wick Stick]

God Himself chose the word "Word" to refer to both the written word and the Word made flesh. I had nothing to do with that.

I think that may have been the translator. There's several words that are translated as Word...

 

[Michiah-Imla]

In this Psalm, David seems to be talking about a command of God that he already knows.

“…David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said, The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.” (2 Samuel 23:1-2, KJV)

The author of the Holy Bible is God.

God said exactly what he wanted to say without any ambiguity.

There’s no need to lean on your own understanding with vain reasonings of “what the author meant to say”…

This philosophy is the reason the church is so divided.

Everyone has an interpretation…

 

[Behold]

You say Jesus is the Word Then you say the Bible is the Word.

No i didnt.

See the bible defines the Son of God....as God the "W"ord became flesh'.

Notice the upper case "W",< .... and a real bible will indicate that the verse is addressing JESUS or God, when it uses the upper case "W".

Whereas if it uses the lower case "w", as in "w"ord of God, then that is the Scriptures... the verses in the Bible.

Now when God spoke WORDS that became Creation, you have pre-incarnate Jesus who was there as :

) "Let US... .make man.. .in OUR Image" .{

So, God Spoke and Jesus is the Word.. .that was Spoken.. by Father God who is "A Spirit", and Jesus is "That Spirit".


A.) The bible is the word of God that are the spiritual words of Jesus the Word.

 

[Behold]

You wont find that distinction in the original text -

There is no such thing as the "original text".

See that phrase, ?????? its actually a lie....its a lie created by bible denying "scholarship: = who want to try to sit in authority over and above the word of God, by pretending there is an "original Greek" Text... that is the one they read.... and use.
And all that is "smoke and mirrors".
Its literally LYING to people, when someone says...>"but the ORIGINAL says"..

Reader..... there is NO ORIGINAL.

Let me show the Reader, the TRUTH..

The only "originals" would be the Apostle's Letters.
No one has those, as they are long eroded into DUST.

What we have, are only copies of copies of manuscripts that have been collected and used to create about 30 complete "extant" Greek (Koine) Texts. 30 New Testaments, in K. Greek.
Most are "corrupted" because someone who put them together changed verses that changed Doctrine, into THEIRS.. and that is cult related.

Out of those 30 "texts", and that is not including Latin Texts, or Origen's "Hexapla".. .. the Bible(s) (New Testament) is created out of about 4-5 K. Greek Manuscripts. And all of those are copies......of copies. and sometimes they found a very old "fragment".

So, there is no such thing as the "original Greek" or the "original Text".. As those would be the Apostles Letters, ONLY>... and not any copy of a copy of a copy..... of a Greek text that we have now, that are used to create "bibles".

So, @Carl Emerson .. when someone tries to get you to correct the word of God with "Originals"... that do not exit.. then you are dealing with a person or group of "Scholarship".... who is not telling you the truth, so be careful that you dont share the same deception.

 

[Behold]

The idea that the Bible is an embodiment of Jesus (well... pre-incarnation version of Jesus) I've heard preached in church on 3 separate occasions.

Can you name that "church" or that "teacher"?

Also, No one should love the Bible more then they love the One who gave it it,.... but All who Love Jesus, should love His word.

 

[Wick Stick]

Can you name that "church" or that "teacher"?

Also, No one should love the Bible more then they love the One who gave it it,.... but All who Love Jesus, should love His word.

I could I suppose, although one of those churches no longer exists - the Open Door Fellowship in Tollesson Arizona. I think another church picked up the 'Open Door' name, but it isn't the same church.

 

[Carl Emerson]

There is no such thing as the "original text".

See that phrase, ?????? its actually a lie

No it is not a lie... it is an expression.

We know Jesus quoted from the Septuagint in the Greek - It is therefore valid to refer back to the text He quoted from to improve our understanding. The Greek language carried meaning beyond the ability of English.

Which translation do you lean on - you seem to dismiss the best translations available today.

 

[Behold]

No it is not a lie... it is an expression.

Its not an expression.

Its a tool of deception,...... whereby people who dont believe the bible, or they believe there are errors in the bible, .. pretend that there is a pristine and perfect "original greek NT" that is glowing like a golden sunset of ancient rays.... of which most of the people who play this fake game.. .dont even read Koine Greek.
So, all of this is just blatantly fake pretentious carnal pride filled egocentric = "flesh";.
= Imagine the PRIDE level of a person who feels they are the one who is supposed to be doing that....

Scholars are the worst, and that is because they present themselves ABOVE the Reader, ....by this idea that is sold as ""if you want the truth, see the Scholar"..
You dont need a bible..>"here read what we say about the ORIGINAL GREEK that does not EXIST"...

Reader this is exactly what Catholicism does also..... It substitutes the Bible...for... "Church Fathers, wrote" and "The Pope Said".

This is why when you talk to a Catholic, they can't believe that you dont know all about Mary flying to Heaven, and why the Pope prays to a Plastic Mary that is 3x the height of a human.

So, " FALSE Christian Scholarship" exists on this false "original text"... concept.. to thereby sell you what THEY WANT you to believe, because they know that if they say "Scholarship". then the person is trained by social norms to immediately "sit at attention" at the "Scholars feet".

Essentially = scholarship playing that game is a "CULT".

Its really just incredible how this CULT game of... "Let me sit in authority above the Word of God".. is sold as bible correcting based on an ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT, (NT) that does not EXIST.

And READER.... the original Bible Corrector. in Genesis. was : The DEVIL, and he's still doing it.. Only now he has "scholarship": selling the idea of "errors" and "Originals"..

 

[Wick Stick]

Its not an expression.

Its a tool of deception,...... whereby people who dont believe the bible, or they believe there are errors in the bible, .. pretend that there is a pristine and perfect "original greek NT" that is glowing like a golden sunset of ancient rays.... of which most of the people who play this fake game.. .dont even read Koine Greek.
So, all of this is just blatantly fake pretentious carnal pride filled egocentric = "flesh";.
= Imagine the PRIDE level of a person who feels they are the one who is supposed to be doing that....

Scholars are the worst, and that is because they present themselves ABOVE the Reader, ....by this idea that is sold as ""if you want the truth, see the Scholar"..
You dont need a bible..>"here read what we say about the ORIGINAL GREEK that does not EXIST"...

Reader this is exactly what Catholicism does also..... It substitutes the Bible...for... "Church Fathers, wrote" and "The Pope Said".

This is why when you talk to a Catholic, they can't believe that you dont know all about Mary flying to Heaven, and why the Pope prays to a Plastic Mary that is 3x the height of a human.

So, " FALSE Christian Scholarship" exists on this false "original text"... concept.. to thereby sell you what THEY WANT you to believe, because they know that if they say "Scholarship". then the person is trained by social norms to immediately "sit at attention" at the "Scholars feet".

Essentially = scholarship playing that game is a "CULT".

Its really just incredible how this CULT game of... "Let me sit in authority above the Word of God".. is sold as bible correcting based on an ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT, (NT) that does not EXIST.

And READER.... the original Bible Corrector. in Genesis. was : The DEVIL, and he's still doing it.. Only now he has "scholarship": selling the idea of "errors" and "Originals"..

There's a point here, but you've greatly overstated it.

We may not have the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS set down by the authors, but we do have a lot of copies, and reading something in its ORIGINAL LANGUAGE is much better than any translation.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Its not an expression.

Its a tool of deception,...... whereby people who dont believe the bible, or they believe there are errors in the bible, .. pretend that there is a pristine and perfect "original greek NT" that is glowing like a golden sunset of ancient rays.... of which most of the people who play this fake game.. .dont even read Koine Greek.
So, all of this is just blatantly fake pretentious carnal pride filled egocentric = "flesh";.
= Imagine the PRIDE level of a person who feels they are the one who is supposed to be doing that....

Scholars are the worst, and that is because they present themselves ABOVE the Reader, ....by this idea that is sold as ""if you want the truth, see the Scholar"..
You dont need a bible..>"here read what we say about the ORIGINAL GREEK that does not EXIST"...

Reader this is exactly what Catholicism does also..... It substitutes the Bible...for... "Church Fathers, wrote" and "The Pope Said".

This is why when you talk to a Catholic, they can't believe that you dont know all about Mary flying to Heaven, and why the Pope prays to a Plastic Mary that is 3x the height of a human.

So, " FALSE Christian Scholarship" exists on this false "original text"... concept.. to thereby sell you what THEY WANT you to believe, because they know that if they say "Scholarship". then the person is trained by social norms to immediately "sit at attention" at the "Scholars feet".

Essentially = scholarship playing that game is a "CULT".

Its really just incredible how this CULT game of... "Let me sit in authority above the Word of God".. is sold as bible correcting based on an ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT, (NT) that does not EXIST.

And READER.... the original Bible Corrector. in Genesis. was : The DEVIL, and he's still doing it.. Only now he has "scholarship": selling the idea of "errors" and "Originals"..

Mmmm... I really pressed your button sorry....

I will try again - which translation to you lean on ???

 

[Behold]

There's a point here, but you've greatly overstated it.

We may not have the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS set down by the authors, but we do have a lot of copies,

Do you have a dictionary and a mind for learning?

Use both.. and look up.. .

"Originals" and "Copies".

They are not the same definition, and trying to make them the same, is not going to help you.

See the "scholar" the "fakir" who is all about those "errors", will say...>"in the ORIGINAL"... and yet there is no Original.
The "ORIGINALS" were the Apostles Letters.

We now have 30 NT.. completed. obo..... and most are corrupted by some TRANSLATOR.

We dont have an "Original Greek Text"........just copies of copies.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

reading something in its ORIGINAL LANGUAGE is much better than any translation.

“And in the days of Artaxerxes wrote Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel, and the rest of their companions, unto Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the writing of the letter was written in the Syrian tongue, and interpreted in the Syrian tongue.” (Ezra 4:7, KJV)

YET THE SYRIAN LETTER IN QUESTION IS WRITTEN BY THE INSPIRED WRITER IN HEBREW:

“This is the copy of the letter that they sent unto him, even unto Artaxerxes the king; Thy servants the men on this side the river, and at such a time.

Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.” (Ezra 4:11-12, KJV)

ACCORDING TO YOUR REASONING THE ORIGINAL SYRIAN LETTER WOULD BE SUPERIOR TO THE INSPIRED HEBREW TRANSLATION.

 

[Wick Stick]

Do you have a dictionary and a mind for learning?

Use both.. and look up.. .

"Originals" and "Copies".

They are not the same definition, and trying to make them the same, is not going to help you.

See the "scholar" the "fakir" who is all about those "errors", will say...>"in the ORIGINAL"... and yet there is no Original.
The "ORIGINALS" were the Apostles Letters.

We now have 30 NT.. completed. obo..... and most are corrupted by some TRANSLATOR.

We dont have an "Original Greek Text"........just copies of copies.

Original Schmoriginal. We have a Greek text that's pretty good. Better than the English one by a substantial margin.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Original Schmoriginal. We have a Greek text that's pretty good. Better than the English one by a substantial margin.

I think we may be encountering a KJV only teaching.

I have asked politely the question twice and been ignored...

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I think we may be encountering a KJV only teaching.

Or maybe it’s an original language only teaching on the other side…

 

[Carl Emerson]

Or maybe it’s an original language only teaching on the other side…

Not from me... My take is that He has watched over the process of preserving the Truth of His Word down through the ages and we have a treasure of resources both old and new to be mined for gems.

At the end of the day the final arbiter is the Holy Spirit granting understanding to the reader so it comes back to the relationship between the reader and Our Father who reveals Truth by His Spirit.

It is folly to believe in a perfect text or a perfect translation.

 

[Wick Stick]

I think we may be encountering a KJV only teaching.

I have asked politely the question twice and been ignored...

Dunno. Seems like the "responses" are more of a recitation of talking points that are tangentially related to what was said.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It is folly to believe in a perfect text or a perfect translation.

Your opinion is noted.

 

[St. SteVen]

Carl Emerson said:
It is folly to believe in a perfect text or a perfect translation.

Your opinion is noted.

Is that supposed to be a rebuttal?

Do you agree or disagree with his statement?

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[Michiah-Imla]

Do you agree or disagree with his statement?

No.

I do not agree @Carl Emerson