Blind Guides and Deluded Followers

[quietthinker]

Yes in Christ all are made alive, but not all are the bride of Christ or the church.

I would ask....and answer, who is the qualifier of who the bride/ church is? I would say the individual.
All have been invited to the party/ wedding feast.....and provided with a 'garment'.
Those who have other priorities make excuses as in the parable Jesus told, or flatly refuse entry as did the Prodigal Son's brother

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I would ask....and answer, who is the qualifier of who the bride/ church is? I would say the individual.
All have been invited to the party/ wedding feast.....and provided with a 'garment'.
Those who have other priorities make excuses as in the parable Jesus told, or flatly refuse entry as did the Prodigal Son's brother

NJo! Jesus is the one who qualifies one to be part of HIs bride. all other saved are the guests and frinedns of the bridegroom as john the Bapitst declared.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes you pounding your head against bible truth is tiring.

There's no Bible truth coming from you, as everyone can see.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There's no Bible truth coming from you, as everyone can see.

So you deny the deity of Jesus that comes from me.

His physical resurrection I preach.

His atroning death

Baptism in the spirit
Eternal security
growing in grace and holiness
the triune God head

Wow you must be a Jehovahs witness.

 

[quietthinker]

NJo! Jesus is the one who qualifies one to be part of HIs bride. all other saved are the guests and frinedns of the bridegroom as john the Bapitst declared.

the terms guest and bride are interchangeable

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you deny the deity of Jesus that comes from me.

Of course I don't and you know that. I, of course, was talking about what you were saying to me in this thread and not anything else you may have said elsewhere. And you know that. But, you decided to come back with this childish response instead. Says it all about you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

the terms guest and bride are interchangeable

Not according to all known languages. But please explain to us here here the bride can also bve conisdered a guest and a guest be considered a bride.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Of course I don't and you know that. I, of course, was talking about what you were saying to me in this thread and not anything else you may have said elsewhere. And you know that. But, you decided to come back with this childish response instead. Says it all about you.

No, I simply took you at your word.

YOu said no bible truth comes from me. YOu did not limit it to this thread.

 

[quietthinker]

Not according to all known languages. But please explain to us here here the bride can also bve conisdered a guest and a guest be considered a bride.

We are one collective of saved people (in Jesus) The collective which finds itself alive on the other side of this reality consists of all from Adam through to when Jesus returns. There are various names given to this collective ie, sons, saved, redeemed, guests, bride, Israel etc. All have their life, their value and their righteousness because of their status in Jesus.....and Jesus is not divided.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, I simply took you at your word.

YOu said no bible truth comes from me. YOu did not limit it to this thread.

I should have known that I have to spell everything out to you since you have so much trouble understanding what you read.

 

[Keraz]

Lifting the veil"
How is it that so many people who study Bible prophecy cannot see the soon to happen; fire judgement? The forthcoming Lord’s Day, when He will send His fiery wrath upon His enemies.
The forthcoming Day the Lord will send His fiery wrath, a disaster of similar magnitude as Noah’s Flood.

It must be attributed to Scriptures that say it will only be possible to know God’s plans just prior to the end time events. 1 Also many are sticking to incorrect ideas, such as a pre Tribulation ‘rapture’ and a nuclear war and they misplace or ignore prophetic verses. 2

Over one hundred scriptures tell of a terrible Day of fire and earthquakes, that will affect all of the world – vivid details of a tremendous destruction that cannot be matched with the war of Gog and Magog or the Return of Jesus.3 Prophesy tells plainly how the Middle East countries and cities will be destroyed, 4 and that God will turn the weapons of those commencing to attack the State of Israel upon their own heads. 5

The nature and extent of this fire judgement rules out any man made explanation. It is clearly stated that the Lord Himself will instigate His Day of vengeance and wrath upon all the inhabitants of the earth. 6

The verses in Isaiah 30:26...the sun will shine with seven times its normal strength... and Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, are the ones that tell us exactly what means the Lord will use to carry it out. There has, in the past been sunspot activity that has seriously affected the earth, but a really large Coronal Mass Ejection will cause all the prophesied devastation and deaths worldwide. 7 This terrifying and shocking disaster of a fireball that envelopes the earth, will hit suddenly and unexpectedly, killing anyone caught outside. 8 Millions will die from the initial strike and millions more from the fighting and famine afterwards. 9

To re-establish law and order, a One World government will be agreed to, with the world divided into ten regions, each headed by its own president. 10 In Israel, the Messianic Jewish remnant who survive by hiding underground, 11 will be joined by their Christian brethren 12

God knows who they are and He will motivate them to emigrate to the new nation of Beulah, to all of that area promised to the Patriarchs. 13 They will experience the great blessings that God has promised to His righteous faithful Christian people and they will fulfill their destiny. 14

In a few years, a world dictator will come to power and will eventually take control of Beulah and he will desecrate the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, then 3½ years later Jesus returns to commence His Millennium reign. 15

Just when do we get to truly understand the prophetic Scriptures? It cannot be that God will say to us after the end times have all happened, “Ha Ha, you dummies, for all your philosophy, sciences and religious studies, you couldn’t figure out what I gave you in your Bible.”
No, God will lift the veil from the minds of the few who earnestly seek the truth, those who put aside preconceived notions and renounce erroneous teachings. 16

1 Thessalonians 5:4 You, friends, are not in the dark...
The Lord will enlighten us if we search the Word, in humility and with the right motives.17 And put aside all theories and fables taught by well intentioned, but wrong; pastors and teachers. 18

(1) Isaiah 32:3, Isaiah 35:5, Amos 3:7, Daniel 12:9-10, Revelation 1:1

(2) Isaiah 8:16-22, Isaiah 29:11-14, 2 Timothy 4:3

(3) Jeremiah 25:30-31, Zechariah 2:13, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:13, Isaiah 13:6-13, Matthew 3:12

(4) Psalms 83:13-18, Amos 1:2-15, Micah 4:11-12, Zephaniah 2:1-7, Ezekiel 30:1-8

(5) Psalms 7:12-16, Obadiah 15, Isaiah 8:9-10

(6) Isaiah 30:26-28, Isaiah 22:5, Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Rev.6:12-17

(7) Deuteronomy 32:40-43, Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 9:21-22, Isaiah 13:12

(8) Zephaniah 2:1-3, Jeremiah 17:15-18, Isaiah 26:20-21, Ecclesiastes 8:5, Jeremiah 6:25-26

(9) Psalms 109:24, Jeremiah 12:12-13

(10) Daniel 7:24, Revelation 13:1

(11) Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 4:3, Isaiah 29:1-4

(12) Ezekiel 37:15-28, Isaiah 62:4, Zechariah 2:6, Ezekiel 20:34-36, Psalms 50:5

(13) Jeremiah 3:22, Jeremiah 31:8-9, Isaiah 60:4, Isaiah 40:27-31, Amos 9:8b-15

(14) Ezekiel 36:8-10, Isaiah 49:8-11, Joel 2:23-27, Deuteronomy 30:1-5, Jeremiah 30:18

(15) Psalms 47:8-9, Psalms 93:1-5, Isaiah 11:6-10, Rev.20:4

(16) Isaiah 30:18, Psalms 27:11-13, Isaiah 29:24, Hosea 12:10, Isaiah 35:3-5, 2 Timothy 4:3-4

(17) 1 Peter 1:19, Matthew 7:8

(18) Matthew 7:15, Isaiah 29:11, Jeremiah 14:14

 

[quietthinker]

Lifting the veil"
How is it that so many people who study Bible prophecy cannot see the soon to happen; fire judgement? The forthcoming Lord’s Day, when He will send His fiery wrath upon His enemies.
The forthcoming Day the Lord will send His fiery wrath, a disaster of similar magnitude as Noah’s Flood.

It must be attributed to Scriptures that say it will only be possible to know God’s plans just prior to the end time events. 1 Also many are sticking to incorrect ideas, such as a pre Tribulation ‘rapture’ and a nuclear war and they misplace or ignore prophetic verses. 2

Over one hundred scriptures tell of a terrible Day of fire and earthquakes, that will affect all of the world – vivid details of a tremendous destruction that cannot be matched with the war of Gog and Magog or the Return of Jesus.3 Prophesy tells plainly how the Middle East countries and cities will be destroyed, 4 and that God will turn the weapons of those commencing to attack the State of Israel upon their own heads. 5

The nature and extent of this fire judgement rules out any man made explanation. It is clearly stated that the Lord Himself will instigate His Day of vengeance and wrath upon all the inhabitants of the earth. 6

The verses in Isaiah 30:26...the sun will shine with seven times its normal strength... and Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, are the ones that tell us exactly what means the Lord will use to carry it out. There has, in the past been sunspot activity that has seriously affected the earth, but a really large Coronal Mass Ejection will cause all the prophesied devastation and deaths worldwide. 7 This terrifying and shocking disaster of a fireball that envelopes the earth, will hit suddenly and unexpectedly, killing anyone caught outside. 8 Millions will die from the initial strike and millions more from the fighting and famine afterwards. 9

To re-establish law and order, a One World government will be agreed to, with the world divided into ten regions, each headed by its own president. 10 In Israel, the Messianic Jewish remnant who survive by hiding underground, 11 will be joined by their Christian brethren 12

God knows who they are and He will motivate them to emigrate to the new nation of Beulah, to all of that area promised to the Patriarchs. 13 They will experience the great blessings that God has promised to His righteous faithful Christian people and they will fulfill their destiny. 14

In a few years, a world dictator will come to power and will eventually take control of Beulah and he will desecrate the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, then 3½ years later Jesus returns to commence His Millennium reign. 15

Just when do we get to truly understand the prophetic Scriptures? It cannot be that God will say to us after the end times have all happened, “Ha Ha, you dummies, for all your philosophy, sciences and religious studies, you couldn’t figure out what I gave you in your Bible.”
No, God will lift the veil from the minds of the few who earnestly seek the truth, those who put aside preconceived notions and renounce erroneous teachings. 16

1 Thessalonians 5:4 You, friends, are not in the dark...
The Lord will enlighten us if we search the Word, in humility and with the right motives.17 And put aside all theories and fables taught by well intentioned, but wrong; pastors and teachers. 18

(1) Isaiah 32:3, Isaiah 35:5, Amos 3:7, Daniel 12:9-10, Revelation 1:1

(2) Isaiah 8:16-22, Isaiah 29:11-14, 2 Timothy 4:3

(3) Jeremiah 25:30-31, Zechariah 2:13, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:13, Isaiah 13:6-13, Matthew 3:12

(4) Psalms 83:13-18, Amos 1:2-15, Micah 4:11-12, Zephaniah 2:1-7, Ezekiel 30:1-8

(5) Psalms 7:12-16, Obadiah 15, Isaiah 8:9-10

(6) Isaiah 30:26-28, Isaiah 22:5, Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Rev.6:12-17

(7) Deuteronomy 32:40-43, Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 9:21-22, Isaiah 13:12

(8) Zephaniah 2:1-3, Jeremiah 17:15-18, Isaiah 26:20-21, Ecclesiastes 8:5, Jeremiah 6:25-26

(9) Psalms 109:24, Jeremiah 12:12-13

(10) Daniel 7:24, Revelation 13:1

(11) Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 4:3, Isaiah 29:1-4

(12) Ezekiel 37:15-28, Isaiah 62:4, Zechariah 2:6, Ezekiel 20:34-36, Psalms 50:5

(13) Jeremiah 3:22, Jeremiah 31:8-9, Isaiah 60:4, Isaiah 40:27-31, Amos 9:8b-15

(14) Ezekiel 36:8-10, Isaiah 49:8-11, Joel 2:23-27, Deuteronomy 30:1-5, Jeremiah 30:18

(15) Psalms 47:8-9, Psalms 93:1-5, Isaiah 11:6-10, Rev.20:4

(16) Isaiah 30:18, Psalms 27:11-13, Isaiah 29:24, Hosea 12:10, Isaiah 35:3-5, 2 Timothy 4:3-4

(17) 1 Peter 1:19, Matthew 7:8

(18) Matthew 7:15, Isaiah 29:11, Jeremiah 14:14

You are consumed with fire and wrath Keraz and you assume God delivers a proactive element of destruction ...as did the Prophets (it is the Prophets where your focus is) You bypass the critical factor of Jesus input in your interpretation of these scriptures and therefore are blind to another way of seeing these elements (ie, fire and wrath)
Having said that, I am also aware you are so steeped in your understanding that the chances of asking questions about your own view is probably close to zero.....or will you make me a liar re this?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We are one collective of saved people (in Jesus) The collective which finds itself alive on the other side of this reality consists of all from Adam through to when Jesus returns. There are various names given to this collective ie, sons, saved, redeemed, guests, bride, Israel etc. All have their life, their value and their righteousness because of their status in Jesus.....and Jesus is not divided.

I absolutely agree with you! all are saved because of the blood of Jesus. But that does not make OT saints nor post rapture saints part of the bride. Remember these distinctions hold during th emillenial kingdom and not into eternity. There is enormous Scripture written showing the distinctions between Israel, the church and the saved post trib in the millenial kingdom.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I should have known that I have to spell everything out to you since you have so much trouble understanding what you read.

Your pre-pubescent insults mean othing.

I understand perfectly what I read. It is yo uthat reinterprfet words to mean something else.

Jesus said" I will build my church" the world knows that is a future event from when He said that, but you say "He actually meant I have been building my churrch".

 

[Keraz]

You are consumed with fire and wrath Keraz and you assume God delivers a proactive element of destruction ...as did the Prophets (it is the Prophets where your focus is) You bypass the critical factor of Jesus input in your interpretation of these scriptures and therefore are blind to another way of seeing these elements (ie, fire and wrath)
Having said that, I am also aware you are so steeped in your understanding that the chances of asking questions about your own view is probably close to zero.....or will you make me a liar re this?

Jesus does have plenty of input in the end times events. As Matthew 3:12 tells us, He will 'winnow' the world and burn the 'chaff'.

You are not a liar, just one of the wise and learned people, whom God has hidden the truths of the Prophetic Word from. Matthew 11:25

 

[quietthinker]

Jesus does have plenty of input in the end times events. As Matthew 3:12 tells us, He will 'winnow' the world and burn the 'chaff'.

You are not a liar, just one of the wise and learned people, whom God has hidden the truths of the Prophetic Word from. Matthew 11:25

What do you think this means Keraz?
"For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us." 2 Corinthians 1:20.

 

[Keraz]

What do you think this means Keraz?
"For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us." 2 Corinthians 1:20.

Its true.
It has nothing to do with the fact of God hiding His plans from the so called educated and wise people. And anyone who believes false teachings. Isaiah 29:9-12, 1 Cor 3:18-20

When this is considered properly, it is realized that if God allowed all and sundry to know exactly what is going to happen before Jesus Returns, that would remove any doubt about forthcoming events. People would be ready and prepared, whereas God wants it all to be a surprise and the time of testing of our faith. 1 Peter 4:12

 

[quietthinker]

Its true.
It has nothing to do with the fact of God hiding His plans from the so called educated and wise people. And anyone who believes false teachings. Isaiah 29:9-12, 1 Cor 3:18-20

When this is considered properly, it is realized that if God allowed all and sundry to know exactly what is going to happen before Jesus Returns, that would remove any doubt about forthcoming events. People would be ready and prepared, whereas God wants it all to be a surprise and the time of testing of our faith. 1 Peter 4:12

You hide behind your sayings and fabricate reasons to justify your position.....all the while weaving scriptures together without understanding their context Keraz.....nor wanting to know their context.
You are in the tradition of many before you through the centuries......yes, these are your choices!

 

[Ritajanice]

Because teh church did ot begin until Pentecost. OT saints were never baptized in teh spirit. That began at Pentecost! It dfoesn't have pot make human sense, it just has to make biblical sense which it does.

Jesus had to die and be resurrected , after that we are then able to become Born Again.

It was because of Jesus death and resurrection that our spirit can become Born Of His Spirit.

That’s our life saving card back to God...which only Gods Living witness can do...The Holy Spirit, is the only one who can bring our spirit from death into newness Of Life.

Spirit gives birth to spirit....that is the Living/ supernatural / spiritual birth.

Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.....

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your pre-pubescent insults mean othing.

I understand perfectly what I read. It is yo uthat reinterprfet words to mean something else.

Jesus said" I will build my church" the world knows that is a future event from when He said that, but you say "He actually meant I have been building my churrch".

You don't understand what I say, that's for sure. You are misrepresenting my view. When I said "I will build my church..." that was obviously before His death and resurrection. What I have been saying is that the OT saints were added to His church upon His death and resurrection. So, I have not said that He was already building His church before that. You either have poor reading comprehension skills or you make things up. I'm not sure which.