Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[BarneyFife]

Everyone should find and join a bible believing church, and bring your family.
Plant.
Grow there, be a part of it... Invest time, money, prayer, into that Local Assembly.
If they have a choir, then sing in it. Get your kids in it.
If they have an Orchestra, then gets your kids involved.

Right, everyone should be fruitful and multiply—just don't allow things to grow and become efficient to the point that they have to make a distinction between what they believe and teach and what others do.

Paul led believers to Christ and then he wrote letters to the "CHURCH at"...

Corinth
Galatia
Ephesis
(for example).

See those?

Those are not "denominations"

DENOMINATIONS are Man - Made, not God made.

Very sound, human reasoning

The only problem is, things have changed just a little in the last 1900 years.

I suppose folks could try to get organized by calling themselves "The Church At _______“ but I'm not sure how well it would work in the systems of law and finance we have today.

I guess I'm just being difficult and trying to foster division and confusion.

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[St. SteVen]

I guess I'm just being difficult and trying to foster division and confusion.

Frankly, something you are really terrible at. - LOL

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[BarneyFife]

Frankly, something you are really terrible at. - LOL

/

You should talk.

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[Carl Emerson]

So you think that you’re ELEVATING the Bible with your philosophy???

@Carl Emerson

I have never not given the Scripture appropriate respect.

Again your use of the word 'philosophy' is a personal attack on the messenger.

I said...

I have smuggled the Scripture into parts of the world where it is illegal.

Believers there don't have it but they want it.

They are already believers because of Him.

You responded...

Any thing that degrades the written word is abomination.

Leave the Holy Bible alone.

These accusations are totally out of order...

The Scripture is not degraded because folks come to faith without it.

These believers might have just one verse written out by hand which they treasure.

Would I bother carrying the Scripture into these areas and be challenged at gunpoint if I didn't respect it?

Jesus knows I love the Scripture contrary to your claim.

 

[Carl Emerson]

So, the Jewish concept of pre-existence is unknown to you.

Ps 2:9–12 Thou dost rule them with a sceptre of iron, As a vessel of a potter Thou dost crush them.’
And now, O kings, act wisely, Be instructed, O judges of earth,
Serve ye Jehovah with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Chosen One, lest He be angry, And ye lose the way, When His anger burneth but a little, O the happiness of all trusting in Him!

PREEXISTENCE - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

What on earth made you conclude that???

You have obviously misunderstood my position.

 

[Carl Emerson]

What is it that you "claim"?

By the way, Jemeriah 6:10 is a reference to what Jeremiah, under the unction of the Hoy Spirit was speaking as a Prophet of God to Israel.

This was a manifestation of the Eternal Word of God, (Jesus speaking through him) he wasn't reading Scripture.

For those who doubt Jesus the Son of God spoke and was respected in OT times - consider the following verse...

Psalm 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The Scripture is not degraded because folks come to faith without it.

Amen if that’s the case.

I cannot relate.

I came to the faith because of the Holy Bible alone.

So I’m very defensive about it.

I hate even the most slightest insult against it.

And any promotion of the faith without it rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Amen if that’s the case.

I cannot relate.

I came to the faith because of the Holy Bible alone.

So I’m very defensive about it.

I hate even the most slightest insult against it.

And any promotion of the faith without it rubs me the wrong way.

I am a prodigal son, rescued from a shipwrecked life - rebuild over 7 years and central to the restoration was devotionally reading Scripture and nothing else for more than 5 years.

During that time He healed and fully restored to me as I aligned with what He revealed to me when reading Scripture, attending healthy fellowship, and getting heaps of prayer.
Initially I would simply weep all the way through the service.
I must be one of the most undeserving on the forum.
I have had to wait 40 years to be ready to share about Him and step into His ministry and now is the time.

 

[Behold]

Right, everyone should be fruitful and multiply—just don't allow things to grow and become efficient to the point that they have to make a distinction between what they believe and teach and what others do.

You are a product of your denomination.
What they taught you to believe, you are going to teach.
Make no mistake about that @BarneyFife .

This is why i put Total emphasis on Paul's Doctrine, as if that is not your core theology, then it isn't.

And most of the time, when i point this out to someone on a forum, they then say....>"well, of course that is what i believe".

And that's a lie.
In fact, most believers do not study Paul's Doctrine, until someone like me points it out.

Why is that?
Because their Denomination didnt.
And Calvin didnt,
And the Pope didnt,

= Etc.

The only problem is, things have changed just a little in the last 1900 years.

God didnt Change.
Jesus is the Same.
Paul's Epistles didnt change.

You dont have to like it.
In fact, you can continue to have it your way., as that is what FREE WILL allows you to CHOOSE.

I suppose folks could try to get organized by calling themselves "The Church At _______“ but I'm not sure how well it would work in the systems of law and finance we have today.

I think you understood my point, even tho what you posted would not reflect it to be so.

I guess I'm just being difficult and trying to foster division and confusion.

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Isn't that your agenda here, when talking to me?
Change it anytime you like.

 

[Behold]

@Carl Emerson

By the way, Jemeriah 6:10 is a reference to what Jeremiah, under the unction of the Hoy Spirit was speaking as a Prophet of God to Israel.

This was a manifestation of the Eternal Word of God, (Jesus speaking through him) he wasn't reading Scripture.

For those who doubt Jesus the Son of God spoke and was respected in OT times - consider the following verse...

Psalm 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Ok, you posted some verses.

Are you trying to prove that the HS came to the Prophets? Came to David? Came to Samson?

What are you trying to prove?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

was devotionally reading Scripture and nothing else for more than 5 years.

I continue reading the Scriptures alone since the first day of my journey in the faith (16 years ago).

I have guarded myself against every temptation of my wandering eyes to delve into other books.

Thanks for sharing your testimony.

 

[BarneyFife]

You are a product of your denomination.
What they taught you to believe, you are going to teach.
Make no mistake about that @BarneyFife .

Because denominations are evil. I think we can consider that settled, based entirely on what the majority of forum participants say. Again, it's trendy—all the rage, in fact.

God didnt Change.
Jesus is the Same.
Paul's Epistles didnt change.

Why should they?

You dont have to like it.

I can't see how what I like really matters.

I think you understood my point, even tho what you posted would not reflect it to be so.

Which would make you a mind reader, if I'm not mistaken.

In fact, I really do not understand your point because I'm not anti-deniminationally biased, at least, as far as I'm aware. I recognize the good things that many denominations have accomplished—even the ones I differ with doctrinally. And I don't believe that all Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, etc., are like clones or programmed robots.

I am denominationally biased, however, as a matter of simple organization—not unconditional loyalty. At least, that's what I strive for. I'm not always successful.

Isn't that your agenda here, when talking to me?

Yes I have an agenda tailored just for you.

I'm not sure you're recalling our history very well.

Are you going to continue to talk at and past me, like a personal sermon, rather than to and with me?

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[Cassandra]

I'm still trying yo figure out how one can worship the Bible.
God gave us a Book. It's just like a love letter. If someone you love gives you a love letter,I would think you would treasure it and read it over and over.
You don't jump from what God has written to Oh He talks to me all the time. There are other beings that talk as well. But the test is if they speak according to Light. Where is the Light?
Have you quit reading your Bibles, depending more on your thoughts?

 

[Behold]

Because denominations are evil.

Those are your words, not mine.

I posted that Denominations are "man made" and Christianity is God made.

Now, some of them are of the Devil.
Thats very true, so in their case, they are "evil".

I can't see how what I like really matters.

What you like is what you chose to Like, or believe, and that is your Free Will.

Free will is choice.

So, you get to chose what you think, say, believe, and do.

Which would make you a mind reader, if I'm not mistaken.

You are mistaken.

I dont read minds, as you are describing.... but i do discern them., and i know people's thoughts.

Spiritual Gift #7, and i have had this since '1991, when God gave to me, when i was sitting on a porch swing, in the USA.
It was 6am, it was summertime, and i had my Bible and i was reading meditating and i asked God..

"Father, why is that this one say this, and that one says that, and the church says the opposite, and the next one says, something different"..

And God said...>"Spiritual Gift #7"........now you will be able to understand it.

So, that is not "mind reading" but it is mystical and it is powerful, and its never wrong.

I recognize the good things that many denominations have accomplished—

You are talking again about what a body of believers can accomplish

Im strictly talking about... REVEALING, that there is inherent in any denomination, the fact that its "man made" and the man who made it, has his or her Theology, in control of it, and the members, are of THAT belief system,

Have you ever watched Charismatics try to slander Baptists, and vice versa. ????

That is not God caused, that is..>"we believe this" and "you dont"...

That is Denomination THINK, having a fist fight, and God is not found there., and that is exactly what defines a "christian forum".
Its nothing less, most of the time.

FLESH is found there, as "here is what WE BELIEVE", vs "what YOUR Denomination says'.

There are no Denominations in Heaven.

God is not a Calvinist.

Yes I have an agenda tailored just for you.

My ""Agenda" Thread was deleted, so... what i can tell you is that i do have an Agenda.

ABSOLUTELY !

I am here to teach Paul's Theology, and To Lift up the Cross of Christ.

I do this in LIFE, in front of PEOPLE< students, Churches, and on Forums.

Its what Paul did...and He told us to be a follower of Him.

Here i am, as Here He is..
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KJ21
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
ASV
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
AMP
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].
AMPC
For I resolved to know nothing (to be acquainted with nothing, to make a display of the knowledge of nothing, and to be conscious of nothing) among you except Jesus Christ (the Messiah) and Him crucified.
BRG
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
CSB
I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
CEB
I had made up my mind not to think about anything while I was with you except Jesus Christ, and to preach him as crucified.
CJB
for I had decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Yeshua the Messiah, and even him only as someone who had been executed on a stake as a criminal.
CEV
In fact, while I was with you, I made up my mind to speak only about Jesus Christ, who had been nailed to a cross.
DARBY
For I did not judge [it well] to know anything among you save Jesus Christ, and *him* crucified.
DLNT
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ— and this One having been crucified.
DRA
For I judged not myself to know anything among you, but Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
ERV
I decided that while I was with you I would forget about everything except Jesus Christ and his death on the cross.
EASY
While I was with you, I decided to teach you only about Jesus Christ. I taught you about his death on a cross. I wanted to forget everything else.
EHV
For I had no intention of knowing anything among you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
ESV
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
ESVUK
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
EXB
[L For] I ·decided [resolved] that while I was with you I would ·forget about everything [L not know anything] except Jesus Christ and his death on the cross.
GNV
For I esteemed not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
GW
While I was with you, I decided to deal with only one subject—Jesus Christ, who was crucified.
GNT
For while I was with you, I made up my mind to forget everything except Jesus Christ and especially his death on the cross.
HCSB
For I didn’t think it was a good idea to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
ICB
I decided that while I was with you I would forget about everything except Jesus Christ and his death on the cross.
ISV
For while I was with you I resolved to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him crucified.

 

[St. SteVen]

I'm still trying yo figure out how one can worship the Bible.

Did you read the OP, or only the topic title?

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[Behold]

Did you read the OP, or only the topic title?

You posted this..

""""""To be clear, I love the Bible and use it every day. But I know the difference between the book and the author."""

So, based on that, you actually don't understand the connection, the absolute "oneness" that is the eternal spiritual union between the "Author and the Scriptures".

See, this "Author" said of His word that it endures forever., (and so do THEY)>..... and that is because they are all "ONE".

 

[Ritajanice]

@St. SteVen as you well know his word liveth and abideth forever, why, because we have been Born Again of imperishable seed....the seed is the Holy Spirit, Gods seed, that’s the wonderful life giving seed of faith, it brings our spirit out of darkness into his life, our faith is Alive and Active because it came from God via His Holy Spirit...

That seed we were Born Again of is the Living and enduring word of God, His Living witness the Holy Spirit .

His seed was planted into our hearts when he gifted us the faith to believe in our spirit.

Faith is a gift from God and because it’s a gift..it will grow, mature and produce Jesus fruit.

His Holy Spirit is Gods Living Witness who indwells our heart/ spirit....never ever to leave.

Faith we were gifted with, just keeps growing and growing, getting stronger and stronger....unshakable Faith is what one should have as we grow and mature.

33yrs it’s taken for my spirit to know that God is 100% in control I am not!.

 

[GTW27]

Those are your words, not mine.

I posted that Denominations are "man made" and Christianity is God made.

Now, some of them are of the Devil.
Thats very true, so in their case, they are "evil".



What you like is what you chose to Like, or believe, and that is your Free Will.

Free will is choice.

So, you get to chose what you think, say, believe, and do.



You are mistaken.

I dont read minds, as you are describing.... but i do discern them., and i know people's thoughts.

Spiritual Gift #7, and i have had this since '1991, when God gave to me, when i was sitting on a porch swing, in the USA.
It was 6am, it was summertime, and i had my Bible and i was reading meditating and i asked God..

"Father, why is that this one say this, and that one says that, and the church says the opposite, and the next one says, something different"..

And God said...>"Spiritual Gift #7"........now you will be able to understand it.

So, that is not "mind reading" but it is mystical and it is powerful, and its never wrong.



You are talking again about what a body of believers can accomplish

Im strictly talking about... REVEALING, that there is inherent in any denomination, the fact that its "man made" and the man who made it, has his or her Theology, in control of it, and the members, are of THAT belief system,

Have you ever watched Charismatics try to slander Baptists, and vice versa. ????

That is not God caused, that is..>"we believe this" and "you dont"...

That is Denomination THINK, having a fist fight, and God is not found there., and that is exactly what defines a "christian forum".
Its nothing less, most of the time.

FLESH is found there, as "here is what WE BELIEVE", vs "what YOUR Denomination says'.

There are no Denominations in Heaven.

God is not a Calvinist.



My ""Agenda" Thread was deleted, so... what i can tell you is that i do have an Agenda.

ABSOLUTELY !

I am here to teach Paul's Theology, and To Lift up the Cross of Christ.

I do this in LIFE, in front of PEOPLE< students, Churches, and on Forums.

Its what Paul did...and He told us to be a follower of Him.

Here i am, as Here He is..
-----------
KJ21
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
ASV
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
AMP
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].
AMPC
For I resolved to know nothing (to be acquainted with nothing, to make a display of the knowledge of nothing, and to be conscious of nothing) among you except Jesus Christ (the Messiah) and Him crucified.
BRG
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
CSB
I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
CEB
I had made up my mind not to think about anything while I was with you except Jesus Christ, and to preach him as crucified.
CJB
for I had decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Yeshua the Messiah, and even him only as someone who had been executed on a stake as a criminal.
CEV
In fact, while I was with you, I made up my mind to speak only about Jesus Christ, who had been nailed to a cross.
DARBY
For I did not judge [it well] to know anything among you save Jesus Christ, and *him* crucified.
DLNT
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ— and this One having been crucified.
DRA
For I judged not myself to know anything among you, but Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
ERV
I decided that while I was with you I would forget about everything except Jesus Christ and his death on the cross.
EASY
While I was with you, I decided to teach you only about Jesus Christ. I taught you about his death on a cross. I wanted to forget everything else.
EHV
For I had no intention of knowing anything among you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
ESV
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
ESVUK
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
EXB
[L For] I ·decided [resolved] that while I was with you I would ·forget about everything [L not know anything] except Jesus Christ and his death on the cross.
GNV
For I esteemed not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
GW
While I was with you, I decided to deal with only one subject—Jesus Christ, who was crucified.
GNT
For while I was with you, I made up my mind to forget everything except Jesus Christ and especially his death on the cross.
HCSB
For I didn’t think it was a good idea to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
ICB
I decided that while I was with you I would forget about everything except Jesus Christ and his death on the cross.
ISV
For while I was with you I resolved to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him crucified.

You are mistaken.

I dont read mind, but i do discern them.

Spiritual Gift #7, and i have had this since '1991, when God gave to me, when i was sitting on a porch swing, in the USA.
It was 6am, it was summertime, and i had my Bible and i was reading meditating and i asked God..

"Father, why is that this one say this, and that one says that, and the church says the opposite, and the next one says, something different"..

And God said...>"Spiritual Gift #7"........now you will be able to understand it.

So, that is not "mind reading" but it is mystical and it is powerful, and its never wrong.

If this were true why did you not discern me. For if you had discerned me you would have discern Him in Me. Why do you brag about what you claim to be and what you have. I brag, I brag on The Name of The Lord(Jesus) for I know I am nothing and He is all. Paul walked in love as The Lord was with him and spoke through him. An Apostle to the gentiles. Paul had "7" as you have bragged about but what really are the spiritual gifts Behold? They are The Lord, Christ in us, the hope of Glory. All Glory Honor and Praise belong to The Lord and The Lord alone Behold. Jesus is Lord!

 

[GTW27]

Ritajance, If you loved my post because you think it is against Behold than I ask you remove it. My post is not against Behold. it is a matter of truth. There was a time you claimed to hear the word of God coming through Behold. Behold has not changed but perhaps he may consider these words. Blessings!

 

[Runningman]

I have encountered some that I thought had fallen into this trap.

I asked them, "What would become of your faith if you put your whole library out on the curb on trash day?"
The guilty are left mostly speechless. Or, alternatively VERY angry. How come?

To be clear, I love the Bible and use it every day. But I know the difference between the book and the author.
In my experience, my relationship with the author is much more important than my relationship with the book.
Appropriate scriptures come to my mind all day long. Due to the work of the Spirit to quicken these things to my memory.

The Bible is not omniscient. (all knowing)
The Bible is not omnipresent. (everywhere present)
The Bible is not omnipotent. (all powerful)

The Bible does NOT love me.
It's paper and ink, maybe a leather cover. (or digital info)
That cow didn't die to pay my sin debt.

A true Bibliolator will demand chapter and verse to support my premise. - LOL

The bottom line:
Let's use the Bible to grow closer to God and each other, rather than as a weapon to destroy each other.

John 13:35 NIV
By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

I think a lot of people seem to make their library or their collection a part of their identity. A scholar wants to be seen as putting work into their study and they can't give credibility to their credentials without being well-read and having the books to prove it. Ultimately might come down to seeking glory and honor from other people, but only God knows the heart for sure. There is nothing inherently wrong with having books.

I don't know about everyone else, but I have some books just collecting dust. I keep a few Bible versions, a concordance, and a lexicon not for the purpose of actually reading them often, but in the event I ever lost the Internet or electricity for some time. I might add to that a single-volume commentary, but not really interested in doing that right now. 99% of my studying is done on a computer. Hard copies of books actually annoy me a bit nowadays. They are so much more difficult to read through compared to what I can get online.