The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

[Phoneman777]

Daniel chapter 2 is the foundational eschatological template upon which rests the entire Biblical prophetic timeline. It is here God shows us the Four major world empires - Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome - with Rome divided into the Ten Kingdoms which evolve into Europe, the divisions of which are followed by the eventual Second Coming of Jesus.

It is imperative we do not depart from this template, nor go beyond the minute alterations God shows us through subsequent prophetic revelations. For example, Daniel 7 subsequently reveals through the description of the Ten Horns (which are identical to the Ten Toes) that the Ten Toes do not all survive until the Second Coming - three are uprooted by the Little Horn which arises among the Ten Horns. Unfortunately, Jesuit Futurists and Jesuit Preterists in Protestant sheep's clothing expose themselves as the papal sympathizers they are by willful departure from the Biblical prophetic timeline into the realm of bazarre Jesuit eschatological nonsense. Examples:

• prophecy is to be "of no private interpretation" and we must ask the "holy men" of Scripture what the prophetic symbolism means - popular Jesuit nonsense relies on newspaper headlines for interpretation.

• the lopsided two horn divisions of the Ram (MP) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the MP empire which eventually merged into the one - they don't establish additional kingdoms/rulers which contradicts the Daniel 2 template.

• the four horn divisions of the He Goat (Greece) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the Greek empire which eventually evolved into four smaller kingdoms of the same empire - they don't establish a "fifth empire" or any such nonsense which contradicts the Daniel 2 template.

• the kingdoms all follow each other in quick succession - there are no "gaps" between them, which is paramount to a correct understanding of the timing of the rise of the "Little Horn" in Daniel 7.

• the two legs of the Image (Rome) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the Roman Empire which eventually fell - both to the "Ten Toes" barbarians in the West and into total insignificance, eschatologically speaking, in the East. Jesuit Futurist nonsense has some foolishly arguing Rome is still here, therefore, the 6th century papal Antichrist of Protestant Historicism is not valid - but this false dichotomy between "Rome and Rome" ends at the bottom of the Image with the 5 Toes on each foot comprising the Ten Toes of the barbarian tribes which evolved into Europe.

Protestant Historicism is the only eschatological interpretation that remains Biblically consistent with the Biblical prophetic timeline from beginning to end. It requires no "prophetic rubber bands" to stretch prophecy across thousands of years "gaps" on the prophetic timeline. It requires no willful ignorance of historic facts such as what the ECFs claim was taught by Paul and the early church concerning the "restrainer". It requires no inconsistent interpretations of symbolism such as making the 70 Weeks over here symbolic but the 2300 Days over there literal.

It does, however, require three things the Jesuit Futurist and Jesuit Preterist crowds appear to lack: an accurate knowledge of Scripture, a knowledge of unrevised history, and common sense.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Daniel chapter 2 is the foundational eschatological template upon which rests the entire Biblical prophetic timeline. It is here God shows us the Four major world empires - Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome - with Rome divided into the Ten Kingdoms which evolve into Europe, the divisions of which are followed by the eventual Second Coming of Jesus.

It is imperative we do not depart from this template, nor go beyond the minute alterations God shows us through subsequent prophetic revelations. For example, Daniel 7 subsequently reveals through the description of the Ten Horns (which are identical to the Ten Toes) that the Ten Toes do not all survive until the Second Coming - three are uprooted by the Little Horn which arises among the Ten Horns. Unfortunately, Jesuit Futurists and Jesuit Preterists in Protestant sheep's clothing expose themselves as the papal sympathizers they are by willful departure from the Biblical prophetic timeline into the realm of bazarre Jesuit eschatological nonsense. Examples:

• prophecy is to be "of no private interpretation" and we must ask the "holy men" of Scripture what the prophetic symbolism means - popular Jesuit nonsense relies on newspaper headlines for interpretation.

• the lopsided two horn divisions of the Ram (MP) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the MP empire which eventually merged into the one - they don't establish additional kingdoms/rulers which contradicts the Daniel 2 template.

• the four horn divisions of the He Goat (Greece) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the Greek empire which eventually evolved into four smaller kingdoms of the same empire - they don't establish a "fifth empire" or any such nonsense which contradicts the Daniel 2 template.

• the kingdoms all follow each other in quick succession - there are no "gaps" between them, which is paramount to a correct understanding of the timing of the rise of the "Little Horn" in Daniel 7.

• the two legs of the Image (Rome) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the Roman Empire which eventually fell - both to the "Ten Toes" barbarians in the West and into total insignificance, eschatologically speaking, in the East. Jesuit Futurist nonsense has some foolishly arguing Rome is still here, therefore, the 6th century papal Antichrist of Protestant Historicism is not valid - but this false dichotomy between "Rome and Rome" ends at the bottom of the Image with the 5 Toes on each foot comprising the Ten Toes of the barbarian tribes which evolved into Europe.

Protestant Historicism is the only eschatological interpretation that remains Biblically consistent with the Biblical prophetic timeline from beginning to end. It requires no "prophetic rubber bands" to stretch prophecy across thousands of years "gaps" on the prophetic timeline. It requires no willful ignorance of historic facts such as what the ECFs claim was taught by Paul and the early church concerning the "restrainer". It requires no inconsistent interpretations of symbolism such as making the 70 Weeks over here symbolic but the 2300 Days over there literal.

It does, however, require three things the Jesuit Futurist and Jesuit Preterist crowds appear to lack: an accurate knowledge of Scripture, a knowledge of unrevised history, and common sense.

So to disagree with you makes one an acolyte of Jesuit teaching? WOW!

Actually if you are to be historically accurate your template falls short. Let us look!

Daniel two gives us the great statue and gives a defining identity for the four kingdoms (the fourth being incomplete!

Yes we see Babylon, The medes and Persians, the greeks and Rome. Then the ten toes, in which when they are established--is when we see Jesus return! He has not so the ten toes cannot be the barbarians. Europe is now far more than ten kings!

Now let us look at another part of Daniel that is critical in understanding the times of the Gentiles. Daniel 7:

17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Verse 23 is vital- this fourth beast will devour the WHOLE earth. The old Roman EMpire did not do this. It did not even devour the known world. Nor conquer as far as Greece did under Alexander.

Once the fourth beast has devoured the whole world comes the ten kings and then the antichrist!

To break down the fourth beast, it is as follows

1 The Roman Empire
2. The divided Empire starting in the fourth century (the two legs)
Eastern- Constantinople then to Russia
Western- Rome, Germany Rance Spain, Britain and the US
3. The time it devours the world Dan. 7
4. the 10 toes or toen horns (ten rulers of the world)
5. The antichrist or 11th horn.

 

[Douggg]

Protestant Historicism is the only eschatological interpretation

...that does not take into account the time of the Gentiles in Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

The feet of iron mixed with clay is the EU, the end times manifestation of the Roman Empire. Some nations in the EU are weak and some are strong.

The ten toes are the ten leaders of the EU that form a panel of some sort that will be led by the little horn person. It is likely to be a defense panel.

 

[Phoneman777]

So to disagree with you makes one an acolyte of Jesuit teaching? WOW!

No, friend, but agreeing with what Jesuit Alcazar's Preterism or Jesuit Ribera's Futurism certainly does!

Actually if you are to be historically accurate your template falls short. Let us look!

Daniel two gives us the great statue and gives a defining identity for the four kingdoms (the fourth being incomplete!

Not so.

Yes we see Babylon, The medes and Persians, the greeks and Rome. Then the ten toes, in which when they are established--is when we see Jesus return! He has not so the ten toes cannot be the barbarians. Europe is now far more than ten kings!

Friend, it's inconsistent to acknowledge the first four kingdoms immediately follow each other but then insist there's a "gap" between the Fourth Beast and the Ten Toes - especially since Protestant Historicism shows this to be completely unnecessary and even secular historians to their astonishment that what happened in history matches what is written in Daniel 2:

Saxons = England Burgundians = Switzerland
Francs = France Visigoths = Spain
Allemenni = Germany Heruli = EXTINCT
Suevi = Portugal Vandals = EXTINCT
Lombards = Italy Ostrogoths = EXTINCT

Now let us look at another part of Daniel that is critical in understanding the times of the Gentiles. Daniel 7:

17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Gabriel covers Babylon, MP, Greece, Rome, the Ten Barbarians among which arose the "Little Horn" papacy which did everything Daniel 7 says it would do.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

At the end of the papacy's reign (1798 A.D.) the "Great Religious Awakening" was taking place which had Christians all over the world simultaneously studying prophecy, and what was discovered was the Heavenly Sanctuary, High Priest Jesus officiating, and that the 2300 Days prophecy which began at the same time the 70 Weeks began (the 70 were "cut off" from the 2300) would end in 1844 when High Priest Jesus would pass from the Holy Place to the Most Holy Place and begin "cleansing the sanctuary" aka "time of the Judgment". That's what Daniel meant by, "...the Judgment shall sit" which takes place while the Little Horn papacy is still running it's mouth.

Verse 23 is vital- this fourth beast will devour the WHOLE earth. The old Roman EMpire did not do this. It did not even devour the known world. Nor conquer as far as Greece did under Alexander.

Disagree for two reasons:

1) disqualifying Rome as the fourth beast is a massive departure from the prophetic template established in Daniel 2 where the four kingdoms follow one after the other in quick succession.

2) The idea of "whole Earth" can mean "extent of its widespread reach" - hardly a point upon which to disqualify Rome as the devourer: Was the Gospel Preached throughout the "Whole World" in the First Century?

 

[Randy Kluth]

Daniel chapter 2 is the foundational eschatological template upon which rests the entire Biblical prophetic timeline. It is here God shows us the Four major world empires - Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome - with Rome divided into the Ten Kingdoms which evolve into Europe, the divisions of which are followed by the eventual Second Coming of Jesus.

It is imperative we do not depart from this template, nor go beyond the minute alterations God shows us through subsequent prophetic revelations. For example, Daniel 7 subsequently reveals through the description of the Ten Horns (which are identical to the Ten Toes) that the Ten Toes do not all survive until the Second Coming - three are uprooted by the Little Horn which arises among the Ten Horns. Unfortunately, Jesuit Futurists and Jesuit Preterists in Protestant sheep's clothing expose themselves as the papal sympathizers they are by willful departure from the Biblical prophetic timeline into the realm of bazarre Jesuit eschatological nonsense. Examples:

• prophecy is to be "of no private interpretation" and we must ask the "holy men" of Scripture what the prophetic symbolism means - popular Jesuit nonsense relies on newspaper headlines for interpretation.

• the lopsided two horn divisions of the Ram (MP) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the MP empire which eventually merged into the one - they don't establish additional kingdoms/rulers which contradicts the Daniel 2 template.

• the four horn divisions of the He Goat (Greece) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the Greek empire which eventually evolved into four smaller kingdoms of the same empire - they don't establish a "fifth empire" or any such nonsense which contradicts the Daniel 2 template.

• the kingdoms all follow each other in quick succession - there are no "gaps" between them, which is paramount to a correct understanding of the timing of the rise of the "Little Horn" in Daniel 7.

• the two legs of the Image (Rome) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the Roman Empire which eventually fell - both to the "Ten Toes" barbarians in the West and into total insignificance, eschatologically speaking, in the East. Jesuit Futurist nonsense has some foolishly arguing Rome is still here, therefore, the 6th century papal Antichrist of Protestant Historicism is not valid - but this false dichotomy between "Rome and Rome" ends at the bottom of the Image with the 5 Toes on each foot comprising the Ten Toes of the barbarian tribes which evolved into Europe.

Protestant Historicism is the only eschatological interpretation that remains Biblically consistent with the Biblical prophetic timeline from beginning to end. It requires no "prophetic rubber bands" to stretch prophecy across thousands of years "gaps" on the prophetic timeline. It requires no willful ignorance of historic facts such as what the ECFs claim was taught by Paul and the early church concerning the "restrainer". It requires no inconsistent interpretations of symbolism such as making the 70 Weeks over here symbolic but the 2300 Days over there literal.

It does, however, require three things the Jesuit Futurist and Jesuit Preterist crowds appear to lack: an accurate knowledge of Scripture, a knowledge of unrevised history, and common sense.

I wish you were a little more "irenic" in your approach (is that a word?). Prophecy is a difficult subject, and if we're to address Christians at all levels of maturity, why render different interpretations of a difficult subject a matter of orthodoxy or heresy?

I certainly agree with some of your interpretation, up to the place where you find the 10 kings are barbarians that must immediately follow the fall of Rome. There are a number of interpretations that would find that unreasonable. For example, Antichrist didn't rise after the time of these barbarian kings, and the Kingdom of Christ did not come.

Imperialism was perpetuated from the divided Empire, East and West, to the Germanic empire to the Russian empire. Imperialism has been challenged by democratic radicalism and philosophy, and this has caused imperial structures to erode and split into states.

So it seems reasonable to me that the current states of Europe, East and West, are what has succeeded the 4th Kingdom and are fulfilling the development of 10 kings. But I'm not going to threaten with Hell anybody who disagrees with me!

I will just say that the way I derive value from this great prophecy is to be forewarned of a rise in Antichristianity in the last days, with the Antichrist himself emerging as ruler over 10 European states. It indicates that God is aware of the fall of Christianity in formerly Christian Europe, and is guarding His people against this slip into evil.

I'm encouraged that Antichrist will reign for only about 3.5 years, after which a great battle takes place in Israel, with world powers present and involved. Christ will come to bring an quick end to this Battle of Armageddon, transferring us into glory in the process.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

WHY would anybody pay any attention to false catholic doctrine on any topic?

 

[ScottA]

Daniel chapter 2 is the foundational eschatological template upon which rests the entire Biblical prophetic timeline. It is here God shows us the Four major world empires - Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome - with Rome divided into the Ten Kingdoms which evolve into Europe, the divisions of which are followed by the eventual Second Coming of Jesus.

It is imperative we do not depart from this template, nor go beyond the minute alterations God shows us through subsequent prophetic revelations. For example, Daniel 7 subsequently reveals through the description of the Ten Horns (which are identical to the Ten Toes) that the Ten Toes do not all survive until the Second Coming - three are uprooted by the Little Horn which arises among the Ten Horns. Unfortunately, Jesuit Futurists and Jesuit Preterists in Protestant sheep's clothing expose themselves as the papal sympathizers they are by willful departure from the Biblical prophetic timeline into the realm of bazarre Jesuit eschatological nonsense. Examples:

• prophecy is to be "of no private interpretation" and we must ask the "holy men" of Scripture what the prophetic symbolism means - popular Jesuit nonsense relies on newspaper headlines for interpretation.

• the lopsided two horn divisions of the Ram (MP) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the MP empire which eventually merged into the one - they don't establish additional kingdoms/rulers which contradicts the Daniel 2 template.

• the four horn divisions of the He Goat (Greece) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the Greek empire which eventually evolved into four smaller kingdoms of the same empire - they don't establish a "fifth empire" or any such nonsense which contradicts the Daniel 2 template.

• the kingdoms all follow each other in quick succession - there are no "gaps" between them, which is paramount to a correct understanding of the timing of the rise of the "Little Horn" in Daniel 7.

• the two legs of the Image (Rome) are "guideposts" ensuring posterity recognizes it to indeed be the Roman Empire which eventually fell - both to the "Ten Toes" barbarians in the West and into total insignificance, eschatologically speaking, in the East. Jesuit Futurist nonsense has some foolishly arguing Rome is still here, therefore, the 6th century papal Antichrist of Protestant Historicism is not valid - but this false dichotomy between "Rome and Rome" ends at the bottom of the Image with the 5 Toes on each foot comprising the Ten Toes of the barbarian tribes which evolved into Europe.

Protestant Historicism is the only eschatological interpretation that remains Biblically consistent with the Biblical prophetic timeline from beginning to end. It requires no "prophetic rubber bands" to stretch prophecy across thousands of years "gaps" on the prophetic timeline. It requires no willful ignorance of historic facts such as what the ECFs claim was taught by Paul and the early church concerning the "restrainer". It requires no inconsistent interpretations of symbolism such as making the 70 Weeks over here symbolic but the 2300 Days over there literal.

It does, however, require three things the Jesuit Futurist and Jesuit Preterist crowds appear to lack: an accurate knowledge of Scripture, a knowledge of unrevised history, and common sense.

Focusing upon the events of this world does not bring the eternal events of God into focus.

 

[Phoneman777]

The feet of iron mixed with clay is the EU, the end times manifestation of the Roman Empire.

Rome fell long ago, replaced by the European nations. The "iron mixed with clay" donotes religious Papal Rome (not Pagan Rome) mixed with the secular European nations, for papal Rome's deadly wound has indeed been healed and "all the world wondered after the beast".

See for yourself:

 

[Phoneman777]

Focusing upon the events of this world does not bring the eternal events of God into focus.

God gives us prophecy to keep us from all the widespread deception of the here and now so that we may glimpse the eternal events of God in the eternal hereafter.

Shutting one's eyes to Bible prophecy while navigating this world is as deadly as shutting our eyes to the road while navigating rush hour traffic.

 

[Phoneman777]

WHY would anybody pay any attention to false catholic doctrine on any topic?

Been asking that for years.

How non-catholics can stumble over the truth of the Jesuit origin of their "last 7 years of tribulation antichrist" idea and yet be so determined to get to their feet and continue on as if nothing happened makes no sense.

 

[Douggg]

Rome fell long ago, replaced by the European nations. The "iron mixed with clay" donotes religious Papal Rome (not Pagan Rome) mixed with the secular European nations, for papal Rome's deadly wound has indeed been healed and "all the world wondered after the beast".

Protestant Historicism is built on the pope/papacy being the Antichrist. But that view is incorrect.

The Antichrist must be a Jew and his religion Judaism. The Antichrist will be part of the rebuilding of the next temple, which the animal sacrifices will start up again. Which he, himself, will later stop when he claims to have achieved God-hood.

The pope/papacy does not fit into that criteria.

 

[Phoneman777]

I wish you were a little more "irenic" in your approach (is that a word?).

Souls are at stake - many will take their place under the banner of the papacy when the "spirits of devils working miracles" go forth to deceive the nations, if the papacy is indeed Satan's headquarters on Earth.

"It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against antichrist, and as to what antichrist is NO SANE MAN ought to raise the question. If it be not the popery in the Church of Rome, there is nothing else that can be called by that name". - Charles Haddon Spurgeon​

 

[Phoneman777]

Protestant Historicism is built on the pope/papacy being the Antichrist. But that view is incorrect.

The Antichrist must be a Jew and his religion Judaism.

Scripture plainly says Antichrist arises from within the Church - not Judaism.

 

[Douggg]

Scripture plainly says Antichrist arises from within the Church - not Judaism.

What 1John2:18-22 says is that there were persons back in John's day that went out from the church and were exhibiting the characteristics of the coming Antichrist by denying Jesus and denying the Father/Son relationship. John called such persons antichrists.. It is not saying that the Antichrist arises from within the church.

The Antichrist is who Jesus was talking about in John 5:43, as the Jews rejected Jesus as their King of Israel messiah, but would receive another coming in his own name.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

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[Spiritual Israelite]

Protestant Historicism is built on the pope/papacy being the Antichrist. But that view is incorrect.

The Antichrist must be a Jew and his religion Judaism. The Antichrist will be part of the rebuilding of the next temple, which the animal sacrifices will start up again. Which he, himself, will later stop when he claims to have achieved God-hood.

The pope/papacy does not fit into that criteria.

Where does scripture speak "of the rebuilding of the next temple" where "animal sacrifices will start up again?

 

[Randy Kluth]

Souls are at stake - many will take their place under the banner of the papacy when the "spirits of devils working miracles" go forth to deceive the nations, if the papacy is indeed Satan's headquarters on Earth.

"It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against antichrist, and as to what antichrist is NO SANE MAN ought to raise the question. If it be not the popery in the Church of Rome, there is nothing else that can be called by that name". - Charles Haddon Spurgeon​

I agree with Futurists--the Pope is not the Antichrist. He may be allied with him in the future, but not now. The Reformers saw a time when the Pope was terribly corrupt, and I don't blame them for calling him out at that time. But to perennially call him that, simply because he holds the office of Pope, is absurd and wrong.

We likely agree that the Antichrist arises out of formerly Christian Europe, and that the apostate Church will ally with him. But that time is not yet. We should reach out to all, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Separatist, and Pagan.

This is what Christians have done to Jews, branding them as heretics and apostates with no concern for their Salvation. If Jews were bad at the time of Christ, and simply ignorant today, why treat them today as if they are still crucifying Christ and persecuting Christians? Why not reach out to them with the Gospel that can save them?

Similarly, we should reach out to Catholics. Some of them truly know the Lord. Those who don't may only be ignorant and not defiant. Don't burn the bridge to them before they've decided against you. That's my advice. I could care less what Spurgeon and the Reformers believed in their time in this regard. It doesn't apply now.

 

[Douggg]

Where does scripture speak "of the rebuilding of the next temple" where "animal sacrifices will start up again?

In Daniel 8:12-13, in the time of the end vision about the little horn, he will stop the daily sacrifice. In order to do that, the daily sacrifices will have to be going on. Those do not take place unless there is a temple in place.

So a temple will have to be built and the daily sacrifices begun again.

From the Judaism 101 site....

What Will the Mashiach Do?​

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)


The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

Also from the Judaism 101 site....

The Mashiach​

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

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a great political leader
a great military leader

Who does that sound like on the world stage of someone who is a Jew ? imo. Zelensky of Ukraine. Too early to tell for certain, but I am keeping an eye on him. Ukraine is close to become a full member of the EU, the end times manifestation of the Roman Empire.

If Zelensky becomes head over a panel of ten EU leaders - that would be big.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In Daniel 8:12-13, in the time of the end vision about the little horn, he will stop the daily sacrifice. In order to do that, the daily sacrifices will have to be going on. Those do not take place unless there is a temple in place.

So a temple will have to be built and the daily sacrifices begun again.

Why would some future little horn person want to stop meaningless daily sacrifices?

Also, you know a doctrine is weak when it relies on something to happen that is very unlikely to actually happen (a new temple being built). The same things that have prevented that from happening for over 1,900 years will likely continue to prevent that from happening until the end of time. But, even if such a temple was built, it would not be the temple of God as your doctrine would require it to be.

From the Judaism 101 site....

Goodness sakes. You think I'm going to trust what those who practice Judaism say? Not a chance. Get your information from scripture, Doug, not from false religions.

 

[Douggg]

Goodness sakes. You think I'm going to trust what those who practice Judaism say? Not a chance. Get your information from scripture, Doug, not from false religions.

I provided those quotes from the Judaism 101 site to show what they are looking for in the messiah - and how they will mistake the Antichrist person as being their messiah.