Trump ~ guilty

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

The answer to that isn't really clear to me, and there might be more than one answer, given the multiplicity of charges. I'm not in the know.

But appearances count for something, and here the appearance is that this is largely political. The timing is suspect. The number of charges seems excessive. Is it normal for someone to be charged with 30+ different things? Is it normal for someone to be charged with these crimes at all? My experience of it is that virtually ALL politicians cheat at the financial end of things, and it seems few of them are ever charged with anything.


I didn't spend 2 seconds trying to examine the motivations of the DA. Now that you've broached the subject, I'd reckon they're (a) prestige and (b) money... both of which seem available here.


I'm not sure it makes sense to talk about Trump's motivations with regard to his being prosecuted. That seems out of his control, and certainly not something that one would choose for themself.


Seems normal for a person to delay their own prosecution. Less normal for the one doing the prosecuting.

I kind of hate that you've got me defending Trump, though. I don't like him. I didn't vote for him last time, and I don't plan to vote for him this time.

Y'all deserve who you get

I am however concerned about the courts being used for political maneuvering. That's something I expect to see in Central America, not the U.S.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Making a martyr out of Trump. Great idea!

It is stunning how openly and joyfully the democrats are saying “[expletive] you” to all the Trump supporters.

Robert DeNiro was their inspiration…

 

[Wrangler]

It is stunning how openly and joyfully the democrats are saying “[expletive] you” to all the Trump supporters.

They want a unified country only in their terms without compromise. They want what never was or could be.

It’s like dealing with a teenager.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Look at Pedo Peter's reaction to this question-​

x.com

REPORTER: “Mr. President, can you tell us, sir, Donald Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly? What’s your response to that sir?”

Trump needs to immediately put this on an ad and play it until Election Day

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I am however concerned about the courts being used for political maneuvering. That's something I expect to see in Central America, not the U.S.

Reposting this for you... from that other forum and here... just incase you miss it.

REPORTER: “Mr. President, can you tell us, sir, Donald Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly? What’s your response to that sir?”

x.com

 

[Michiah-Imla]

• AMERICAN NEWS
• May 31, 2024

BREAKING: Biden declares it's 'dangerous' for anyone to say Trump trial was 'rigged'​

 

[CadyandZoe]

That was mentioned by someone awhile back.

I question on how good Todd Blanche is.

The few questions he gave to the witnesses during the trial that FOX put out
did not seem firm or forceful enough to me .

Although prosecution objected to everything they said and the judge sustained every one of them

If untrained people like me can figure this thing out in 5 minutes, then what?

 

[Bob Estey]

on all 34 counts

I saw that on TV. It might help get him elected.

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

• AMERICAN NEWS
• 
  
• May 31, 2024

BREAKING: Biden declares it's 'dangerous' for anyone to say Trump trial was 'rigged'​

it was rigged, it was a a planned and already fixed for the outcome.

God help us!! Deliver us from being oppressed by the enemy.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

it was rigged, it was a a planned and already fixed for the outcome.

God help us!! Deliver us from being oppressed by the enemy.

Wonder if the Clinton body count starts to go up again?

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I saw that on TV. It might help get him elected.

I also heard someone say today if elected he cannot pardon himself.

 

[Bob Estey]

I also heard someone say today if elected he cannot pardon himself.

I don't see how the Supreme court can let his conviction stand.

 

[BlessedPeace]

It might be bye bye Democracy, but that's good news, lol. Hello Republic of the People.

The Hebrews in Egypt under Pharoh were never under as much bondage as Americans are now. And God parted the Red Sea for them! He'll do something for us too.

But remember, don't put your faith in Trump, put your faith in God.

America is a Republic.
Our local and national elections are carried out through the Democratic process .

 

[Bob]

In my capacity as an individual who happens to be a Christian, of course forgiveness is required.

In my capacity as a citizen who has witnessed my country lower to 3rd world banana republic prosecute political opponents, justice is required. Pay day is coming soon.

Justice, yes, but in accordance with the rule of law. Might FOR Right, and not (per the opposition) Might Makes Right.

More than ever, trust in God.

 

[Bob]

Agreed, vengeance is never a way, but I fail in your definition of forgiving when I see how it affects me and my Constitutional freedoms.

And no... I also would not forgive Lucifer/Satan.... will you?

Thanks for bring up this subject.

For me, forgiveness starts with “hold no grudge, etc.,“ but reconciliation is only possible when persecutors can admit they were wrong. Example (simple): I will always forgive my family members for their transgressions, but have yet to be reconciled with one.

Forgive Satan? Well, yes, per my definition, but reconciliation, never!

(It is sometimes difficult to let go anger, hate, animosity, but Jesus knew best that it is always for our sake.)

Thanks again for engaging.

 

[RedFan]

What the real problem is that the Judge presiding over the case did not allow Trump's lawyers to provide corroborating witnesses, testimony, or documentation that proved his innocence. Which means that they had no defense.

What evidence was excluded that should not have been?

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I don't see how the Supreme court can let his conviction stand.

But he cannot go to scotus until he does the New York Supreme court.

And it likely would not be before next yueaar and since scotus likes to drag decidions they might go on his side but not til end of Junte of 25

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

What evidence was excluded that should not have been?

I don't remember but 2 witnesses. One that knew of his bookkeeping/taxes and the other on ... election law.

The election law guy was in the courthouse for 2 days waiting and the judge denied them calling him.

I just cannot recall the evidence... denials...

Someone else may.

 

[RedFan]

I read your denial but can’t find your acceptance criteria.

Picture a verdict made by jurors taken from Obama’s campaign staff. Are they more likely or less likely to acquit Obama than an otherwise impartial jury?

Not sure what qualifies in your head as ‘rigged’ but this was if any trial was ever rigged.

To my thinking, a "rigged" trial is one that preordains the outcome by (a) a prosecutor falsifying the material evidence; (b) a Judge intentionally ignoring the rules of evidence to let in evidence favorable to the prosecution that he knows should not have been and/or excluding evidence favorable to the defense that he knows should have been admitted, (c) a jury unanimously flaunting their oath to consider the evidence fairly and impartially, in order to convict based on personal animus or gain. I haven't been shown any of the three.

 

[RedFan]

I don't remember but 2 witnesses. One that knew of his bookkeeping/taxes and the other on ... election law.

The election law guy was in the courthouse for 2 days waiting and the judge denied them calling him.

I just cannot recall the evidence... denials...

Someone else may.

I'll just repeat what I said in Post # 50. Trump's attorneys revealed they wanted to call an expert witness to testify on federal election law. Experts cannot testify on what the law is. That is for the judge to determine, not the jury. Such testimony was not admissible under settled New York law.

I've been a member of the New York Bar for nearly 40 years, and this one is not even a close call.