Trump ~ guilty

[Wrangler]

But a "rigged" verdict? That's total BS.

I read your denial but can’t find your acceptance criteria.

Picture a verdict made by jurors taken from Obama’s campaign staff. Are they more likely or less likely to acquit Obama than an otherwise impartial jury?

Not sure what qualifies in your head as ‘rigged’ but this was if any trial was ever rigged.

 

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[Wrangler]

And this is why True Christians should not be involved in politics, Jesus said, His Kingdom was no part of this world.

Wrong. We are not just Christian’s. We are citizens with duties that come with that, particularly being involved in politics.

The absurdity is who is left to publicly serve if not Christian’s? Satanists are better with power?

 

[TheOneHeLoves]

Hello Civil War.

We definitely need to fight the corruption!!

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I am not a Trump hating liberal. I have been a Republican all my life. But I am also a lawyer, dedicated to the justice system -- and when someone claims that a trial was "rigged" or "fixed" I want to see the evidence. If these 12 jurors were manipulated or bribed or otherwise cajoled into finding Trump guilty, show me the evidence and I'll believe it. Not speculation. EVIDENCE.

The link is a copy of the full jury instructions ... all %% pages of them

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Jury%20Instructions%20and%20Charges%20FINAL%205-23-24.pdf

First... they were NOT permitted to take them back to the deliberation room. If and when they had any questions they had to have the judge read them.

Next... it took the judge 1 1/2 hours to read them.

Your verdict, on each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous. In order to find the defendant guilty, however, you need not be unanimous on whether the defendant committed the crime personally, or by acting in concert with another, or both.

Although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were. In determining whether the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you may consider the following: (1) violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act otherwise known as FECA; (2) the falsification of other business records; or (3) violation of tax laws.
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From Politifact:
Juror unanimity is not necessary on what separate crime Trump intended to commit. Merchan cited three possible crimes: violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act; the falsification of other business records; and a violation of tax laws.

Jurors "all need to agree on the verdict, but they can get to that result through different paths and reasoning," said Cheryl G. Bader, a Fordham University associate clinical law professor.

Merchan’s instructions were clear: a guilty or not guilty verdict must be unanimous
In his instructions, Merchan told jurors that any verdict must be unanimous.

"Your verdict, on each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous; that is, each and every juror must agree to it," Merchan said. "To reach a unanimous verdict, you must deliberate with the other jurors."

That’s standard in criminal law: The New York jury handbook says that in a criminal case, "a finding that the defendant is guilty or not guilty must be by unanimous vote of the jury."

But Merchan offered caveats about what aspects of a jury’s decision could diverge.

Merchan said, "In order to find the defendant guilty, however, you need not be unanimous on whether the defendant committed the crime personally, or by acting in concert with another, or both."

He also said, "Although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were."

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Just heard that Trump is still under the gag order...... until the judge lifts that..... so he cannot
even say a thing.

 

[APAK]

Take a look at this NPR report. Notice anything hinky?

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

I think this article needs a separate post, to show just how arrogant, crooked and a charade this entire event has been. And from some to say this was NOT already pre-determined - years ago!

Trump is found guilty on 34 felony counts. Read the counts here​

UPDATED MAY 30, 20245:39 PM ET
By
Ximena Bustillo
,
Hilary Fung
Jurors in the New York criminal trial against former President Donald Trump have convicted him of 34 felony counts of falsified business records.

Former President Trump is found guilty in historic New York criminal case​

This is the first time a former or sitting U.S. president has been convicted of criminal charges.
The jurors said they unanimously agreed that Trump falsified business records to conceal a $130,000 hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels to influence the outcome of the 2016 election.

Here are the details of those 34 felony counts:

​

 

[Wrangler]

Making a martyr out of Trump. Great idea!

 

[Wrangler]

That assumes pure political motivation on the side of the New York DA.

He canpaigned to win his office on “getting Trump.” Might that qualify as more than an assumption of pure political motivation on the side of the New York DA?

 

[JohnDB]

Good points. Would you consider that a rigged trial? I'm sure the Democrats will continue to do everything in their power to make sure that Trump does not get back into the Oval Office. Whatever it takes!

Yes it's a rigged trial. When the defense is not allowed pertinent evidence like Cohen's lawyer and documentation with Trump's signature in blue ink instead of photocopied signatures in black ink....
And payments in the tens of millions to the Judge's daughter....kinda smells really bad.

The problem is that there is an issue of State's rights to consider. Where a Federal Court might vacate a State's conviction and strike down illegal procedures...that's the only leg they have to stand on.

And moving through the Federal Court is going to require years. Well past any election or inauguration.

This isn't even counting the voting irregularities from the last election.

Then there's the removal of all the corrupt government officials from Farm Credit to DOJ and the SEC.

What's even more disturbing is the money trail leading back to Joe Biden through Hunter and even direct payments from China. Selling access is still illegal...just like insider trading. But Congress likes doing all kinds of insider trading. So I don't know if we can ever get our Government back in the hands of the people.

 

[rockytopva]

Well... To post something politically incorrect...

 

[CadyandZoe]

I think this article needs a separate post, to show just our arrogant, crooked and a charade this entire has been. And from some to say this was NOT already pre-determined - years ago!

Trump is found guilty on 34 felony counts. Read the counts here​

UPDATED MAY 30, 20245:39 PM ET
By
Ximena Bustillo
,
Hilary Fung
Jurors in the New York criminal trial against former President Donald Trump have convicted him of 34 felony counts of falsified business records.

Former President Trump is found guilty in historic New York criminal case​

This is the first time a former or sitting U.S. president has been convicted of criminal charges.
The jurors said they unanimously agreed that Trump falsified business records to conceal a $130,000 hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels to influence the outcome of the 2016 election.

Here are the details of those 34 felony counts:

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Okay, did you see what is hinky about it? Clue. Look at the dates.

 

[Wrangler]

You are confusing prosecutorial motivation with jury rigging. The ONLY thing I am contesting here is whether the trial was "rigged."

Always with you, it is invoking one logical fallacy after another. Where do you get off limiting a rigged trial to only a rigged jury?

Appeal to Strawman.

 

[Wrangler]

Remember: forgiving means holding no grudges, bearing no ill will, and letting go all anger and animosity, even toward persecutors. (Luke 23:34)

In my capacity as an individual who happens to be a Christian, of course forgiveness is required.

In my capacity as a citizen who has witnessed my country lower to 3rd world banana republic prosecute political opponents, justice is required. Pay day is coming soon.

 

[APAK]

Okay, did you see what is hinky about it? Clue. Look at the dates.

Yeah, that's was I strongly implied in my opening statement.

 

[marks]

You may read calls for vengeance from otherwise sensible commentators. We should not agree or support any of it, no matter how unfair and evil the original intent. Remember: forgiving means holding no grudges, bearing no ill will, and letting go all anger and animosity, even toward persecutors. (Luke 23:34)

Vengeance, no, but to hold those responsible legally accountable would be good.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Well... To post something politically incorrect...

They are working on making him the new Mandella.

Much love!

 

[rockytopva]

They are working on making him the new Mandella.

Much love!

Politically motivated... Whatever happened to the idea of winning elections because you have the more ideal issues?

 

[Rockerduck]

That Judge cannot send Trump to jail. Trump has a secret service detail with him. So they would have to make accommodations for armed guards around him, by law, to protect him.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yeah, that's was I strongly implied in my opening statement.

Right. Trump supposedly covered up records of payments to Stormy Daniels in 2017 to effect the 2016 election? I guess the New York AG believes in time travel. :)