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You say we don't do anything RitaJ, I think not! We do a great deal in fact as we cannot help it, because we have this Spirit. And are you then being empowered and actually 'walking' and not sitting on the side lines awaiting for a signal for you to walk and engage in the power of the Spirit, say in this case self-control? We must show these fruits of the Spirit, as the Spirit does not force us or cause it all to happen for us RJ. We must live this holy life, and not just in thoughts of the mind, as a mental exercise.
As in all things, once we are born again we are so much more aware of our failings, weaknesses and faults. And where we once may have had very little self control in certain areas of our lives - like road rage or any type of anger or temper; rudeness or over indulging in drink or being lazy are some of the things where we may need to practice self control.

Because we, as Christians, now have the Holy Spirit within us to gently convict us of these lapses we are able with His help and our prayers to gradually be able to recognise these faults more easily so that they can be overcome.
 

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The verse is saying the importance of self-control and patience over physical strength and military conquest. It suggests that a person who can govern their emotions and actions is more valuable than someone who can defeat others in battle.

This is an analogy., Its teaching a spiritual concept.
Its explaining that the inner man's development, in God's Viewpoint, has more VALUE., regarding Spirituality.

And the flip side of this, is that the OT rejoices in "Mighty Men of Valor", like Joshua, who "quit ye like men".
In other words, they faced the hardship, the danger, like a MAN.

So, both are excellent traits., and one is considered to be fruit of the Spirit, in the Christian sense.

Consider this..
Lets say a man has enormous self control, and yet, at 3am tomorrow morning...., when some robbers are in His House, ... His wife has the Gun, and is shooting them, because Mr Self Control, Mr Spirituality, Mr Long Suffering..... is in the closet.. hiding.. sweating, shaking, and worse.

So, "all things in balance".. ."all things in context".
 
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You say we don't do anything RitaJ, I think not
I’ve just been brought back to this.

Yes you are right, we have our part to play, but, we can’t do it in our own strength, it must be in Gods strength......

Many a time I have cried out to God saying I’ve had enough, I can’t do this anymore.

Then I hear him say you can do it in my strength ...he gives me the strength to carry on....I’m a bit tired tonight my brain isn’t thinking straight...I’m signing off now, God Bless and goodnight.

I understand what you mean...apologies you were right in what you said above.
 
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This is an analogy., Its teaching a spiritual concept.
Its explaining that the inner man's development, in God's Viewpoint, has more VALUE., regarding Spirituality.

And the flip side of this, is that the OT rejoices in "Mighty Men of Valor", like Joshua, who "quit ye like men".
In other words, they faced the hardship, the danger, like a MAN.

So, both are excellent traits., and one is considered to be fruit of the Spirit, in the Christian sense.

Consider this..
Lets say a man has enormous self control, and yet, at 3am tomorrow morning...., when some robbers are in His House, ... His wife has the Gun, and is shooting them, because Mr Self Control, Mr Spirituality, Mr Long Suffering..... is in the closet.. hiding.. sweating, shaking, and worse.

So, "all things in balance".. ."all things in context".
ok...that too
 
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I’ve just been brought back to this.

Yes you are right, we have our part to play, but, we can’t do it in our own strength, it must be in Gods strength......

Many a time I have cried out to God saying I’ve had enough, I can’t do this anymore.

Then I hear him say you can do it in my strength ...he gives me the strength to carry on....I’m a bit tired tonight my brain isn’t thinking straight...I’m signing off now, God Bless and goodnight.

I understand what you mean...apologies you were right in what you said above.
Yep, that's what I meant RJ..we engage and live this holy life....as they say or Paul did, in keeping with 'working it out'...
 

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Our personal character - our values, and our determination to hold to them - can improve. We can improve in how consistently we walk in the Spirit.

Is there a "less then all the way" walking in the Spirit? Or do we know we are walking in the Spirit because we are in fact self-controlled - fully?

Certainly we cannot say we are walking in the Spirit if we are sinning, can we?

Doesn't walking in the Spirit transcend the flesh, and transcend our own imperfect abilities?

Much love!

When God says to walk in the spirit, you really have to do the word and not just be a hearer. It isn't just "Okay God, Ill follow you". None of the walking in the spirit is accomplished if you aren't pulling down strongholds in your mind and striving against sin and the works of the flesh. None of it is accomplished if someone just clings to the easy-feel-good teachings/lessons. God says if a person be without chastisement, then they are bastards and not sons or daughters. If someone endures chastening, God deals with people as sons and daughters. Happy is the person who God corrects.
 
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Yes you are right, we have our part to play, but, we can’t do it in our own strength, it must be in Gods strength......
I've found two ways that I live my life.

One is when I am being tempted to sin, and resist, or not, and I'm being challenged to do good, and I either do or don't. There is struggle, there are ups and downs, there is improvement, relapse, temporary victories.

The other is what I've come to see as walking in the Spirit, and there isn't a temptation to sin, there isn't a struggle, or even really effort, as I simply do what pleases God, think what pleases God, following His lead.

The difference appears to me to be based in whether I am fully trusting that I am fully reconciled to God. When I have that firmly at heart, I'm receiving His power through faith, and I am fully confident in Him. When I lose that focus, I can either re-establish it by faith, or I can try to make myself acceptable, resisting against sin, struggling.

Whichever may be at the moment, my mandate does not change, to live holy, righteous. And I'll be endeavoring to do that in the strength of my character - a mixed bag - or in the strength of the Holy Spirit, Who Himself produces His fruit in my life, and I find that I am loving, and joyful, and patient, and self-controlled, and so forth.

Much love!
 
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Because the imprint of what we were remains in our minds/brains, and we can follow it unwittingly. Therefore, the commands to put off the old man, and put on the new.

Much love!
Amen, Reminds me of [ which I must do every morning ] this:

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the Mercies of God, that ye present your​
bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.​
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your​
mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."​
(Romans 12:1-2 AV)​

Amen.
 
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None of the walking in the spirit is accomplished if you aren't pulling down strongholds in your mind and striving against sin and the works of the flesh.
Walking in the Spirit, at least to me, does not mean striving, it means I'm not striving. Victory is God's, which means I'm not the one fighting.

Much love!
 
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Yep, that's what I meant RJ..we engage and live this holy life....as they say or Paul did, in keeping with 'working it out'...

Paul didnt say you are to "work out your life".

Paul said you are to "work out your Salvation"..

Your Salvation, is Jesus on the Cross, dying for you..

YOU dont do that......you RECEIVE IT when YOU.. .give God YOUR FAITH in Christ.. that HE Requires.

He then gives YOU< the BELIEVER...>"THE GIFT of Salvation" .. and that is what Jesus has completed on the Cross, and said "IT is FINISHED".

So, you get that.........once you give God YOUR Faith, in Christ,.

And now..>Having received THE GIFT of SALVATION, you are to "work it out".

How?
By learning how to exist in it, according to what it means to have become a "NEW Creation in Christ".
And that is "revelation Knowledge". its the "Knowledge of God"...

Most Christians, never get past a Cult that grabs them, and turns them into a "ism"... like Calvinism, or Mormonism, or Catholicism..

The few who do, are able to get out of Hebrews 6:1, and go on to this......as Paul teaches...>"as many as be Perfect".
 

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Do you possess it?

Where does it come from?

Was self control a weakness before you became Born Again or was it a strength?

Afraid it was a weakness for me , I was a complete and utter nut job....only the Holy Spirit can give me self control ....he’s still working on it.

Praise God!!
I know James talks about controlling the tongue in chapter 3 of his letter.
 
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I think there are two different kinds of self control , one that is a fruit of the Spirit and it often takes time to develop in some areas of our lives. The other is a ‘ self ‘ control in which we don’t want to give up control of certain things. …….. I doubt there is anyone that comes to faith and Instantly has it right !!
What Rita, you don't think I'm an exception? ;)
 
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I know James talks about controlling the tongue in chapter 3 of his letter.

Your speech "tongue" has the power of life and death.

Most Christians have this wrong idea.... = if they knowingly ask God for something, then that is "prayer".

But the reality is......everything you say is going to become unto you, according to what you believe.

People,...unbelievers and Christians unwittingly pray for harm, and believe it, and it comes to them.

Let me show you how..

"You know, my mother died of cancer, and i bet i will also".

See that? That is more then just idle words and empty conversation spoken on a cell phone.

That is the "tongue setting your course on fire"....= that is a Prayer, that someones believes and you receive what you believe.
 

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Amen!

Absolutely not, as I said I was a nut job even years after becoming Born Again.......God has brought me to understand what a nut job I was, as I was brought up in a family of “ nut jobs”...how can anyone find there way out of that ignorance without the Lord......Very insightful post there,Rita, ...made me think.

I hope I don’t sound condescending.....I’m just being honest, it was an insightful post.
Therein is my challenge Rj, ie loving the nut jobs. At least its easier when folk admit it, I've got some wiggle room but when it's denied (nut job) I gotta bite my tongue, polish my thinking cap, pack my bags.....and whistle Waltzing Matilda. :hmhehm
 
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Paul didnt say you are to "work out your life".

Paul said you are to "work out your Salvation"..

Your Salvation, is Jesus on the Cross, dying for you..

YOU dont do that......you RECEIVE IT when YOU.. .give God YOUR FAITH in Christ.. that HE Requires.

He then gives YOU< the BELIEVER...>"THE GIFT of Salvation" .. and that is what Jesus has completed on the Cross, and said "IT is FINISHED".

So, you get that.........once you give God YOUR Faith, in Christ,.

And now..>Having received THE GIFT of SALVATION, you are to "work it out".

How?
By learning how to exist in it, according to what it means to have become a "NEW Creation in Christ".
And that is "revelation Knowledge". its the "Knowledge of God"...

Most Christians, never get past a Cult that grabs them, and turns them into a "ism"... like Calvinism, or Mormonism, or Catholicism..

The few who do, are able to get out of Hebrews 6:1, and go on to this......as Paul teaches...>"as many as be Perfect".
I really did not want to respond to you Behold as you can become a storm and I do not need this reaction to my simple and easy to understand post.

You seem to neglect to read and miss the points of many posts being made in them. And this is yet another example of it. And then you usually begin to instruct and correct these posts that do not sit right with your way of thinking, and not theirs. Way to go, to find understanding and knowledge.

Take care to understand Behold that if you want to make up wrong conclusions about some one's post, be prepared to get some flack and negative replies.

Look 'working out your holy life' is the same as 'working out your salvation.' How do you think you 'work it out.' By reading Paul's words day in day out as your salvation life and walk? I would think we need to live it? Words in scripture are one thing, and important for context, understanding, knowledge and wisdom. although turning them into application or action, influenced by the Spirit is most important to me. It's all about God's salvation in our life of course. Why could you not see that is what I writing about to RJ?

Anyway, no point in going any further as that was my main point and especially when you did your typical ending detour show, into the hills and got lost again, stuck in a rut. I'm not going there with you....

....cults and isms, has zero to do with my post....have fun with it with someone else.
 
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Your speech "tongue" has the power of life and death.

Most Christians have this wrong idea.... = if they knowingly ask God for something, then that is "prayer".

But the reality is......everything you say is going to become unto you, according to what you believe.

People,...unbelievers and Christians unwittingly pray for harm, and believe it, and it comes to them.

Let me show you how..

"You know, my mother died of cancer, and i bet i will also".

See that? That is more then just idle words and empty conversation spoken on a cell phone.

That is the "tongue setting your course on fire"....= that is a Prayer, that someones believes and you receive what you believe.
Behold, if only you had ears to hear yourself.

You regularly use the phrase 'most christians' you clearly don't include yourself......what a toss!
The following common usage of yours 'Let me show you how' is not only condescending but it assumes you have the right and appropriate thing to say.

Taking stock, making more enquiry and recognising your arrogance errs on the side of wisdom.....hear it!
 
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This is an analogy., Its teaching a spiritual concept.
Its explaining that the inner man's development, in God's Viewpoint, has more VALUE., regarding Spirituality.

And the flip side of this, is that the OT rejoices in "Mighty Men of Valor", like Joshua, who "quit ye like men".
In other words, they faced the hardship, the danger, like a MAN.

So, both are excellent traits., and one is considered to be fruit of the Spirit, in the Christian sense.

Consider this..
Lets say a man has enormous self control, and yet, at 3am tomorrow morning...., when some robbers are in His House, ... His wife has the Gun, and is shooting them, because Mr Self Control, Mr Spirituality, Mr Long Suffering..... is in the closet.. hiding.. sweating, shaking, and worse.

So, "all things in balance".. ."all things in context".
Wow!! This created a very vivid picture in my mind that I can relate to very well. I'm quoting this, because I need to remember this ...God is highlighting this (for a totally different reason than the subject of this thread).
 

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Behold, if only you had ears to hear yourself.

You regularly use the phrase 'most christians' you clearly don't include yourself......what a toss!
The following common usage of yours 'Let me show you how' is not only condescending but it assumes you have the right and appropriate thing to say.

Taking stock, making more enquiry and recognising your arrogance errs on the side of wisdom.....hear it!
I needed to hear that as well....thanks for that reminder.

Humble ourselves more before the Lord....words with more humility....if I had been spoken to at one time like I have spoken to others......I would have withdrawn from the discussion...it would have greatly knocked my confidence..

Praise God I can just ignore what I deem to be downright rude posts....now.

I have been asking the Lord to help me with the delivery of my words to others..I must say without boasting, my delivery is much better than it used to be.....I learn from the Spirit.

My mouth was like a cesspit..no wonder I had 2 warnings from the mods...I’m very pleased to say that’s all I’ve had....never been that bad that I’ve been banned.

I can handle it ,if anyone thinks I’m a “ goody two shoes” ...am I praising myself, let me know,hehehehe...I promise I won’t bite back,hehehe,x

What a funny lot we are on here aren’t we...nowt as queer as folk...I’m sure the word says something about folk like that..I maybe wrong.

We all come from very different backgrounds, have been brought up very differently....we learn from our birth parents.

Then along comes the Lord and teaches us his ways....he is perfection.....it has taken 32 years to undo what my parents taught me, Praise God , he will never stop teaching us if we have eyes to see, ears to hear.

What does the Bible say about self-examination?​

Bible self-examination
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Self-examination is an important part of living as an authentic Christian, but by nature we prefer self-deception. Deceiving ourselves is easy and comfortable. We want to believe ourselves better, smarter, and more ethical than we really are, so careful, Spirit-directed self-examination keeps us honest with ourselves and with God.

We need self-examination to combat the spiritual deception rampant in the world. Scripture tells us to confess our sin to God, which requires a certain amount of self-examination. If we can never find any sin to confess, then “we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8). It is dangerous to lie to ourselves. Second Corinthians 13:5 instructs us to examine ourselves to see if we are truly in Christ. One of Satan’s favorite traps is to whisper false assurance to an unregenerate heart. Without Spirit-directed self-examination, our enemy’s lie is too pleasant, believable, and palatable to challenge on our own.

First Corinthians 11:28 warns of another way we deceive ourselves. In giving instruction about taking the Lord’s Supper (Communion), Paul says that we must first examine ourselves so that we do not take the elements “in an unworthy manner.” We take the Lord’s Supper in an unworthy manner when we harbor willful sin in our lives and refuse to repent of it (see 1 John 1:9). When we examine ourselves before partaking of the Lord’s Supper, we have the opportunity to agree with the Lord about our sin, repent of it, and receive His forgiveness. We can then take the elements in a worthy manner, in fellowship with God and other believers, purified through the blood of Jesus (1 John 1:7; Romans 5:8–10).

We should also self-examine our motives and attitudes before taking the Lord’s Supper. If we are distracted, angry, or impatient, we should get our thoughts under control (2 Corinthians 10:5) before entering into that sacred act. The ordinance loses its meaning when we are not fully engaged in its symbolism, and that dishonors the sacrifice of Christ. Paul scolded the Corinthian church for the disrespectful way they were participating in the Lord’s Supper. Some were hogging the food, and some were getting drunk on the wine (2 Corinthians 11:20–22). They were told to examine themselves or they would face judgment; some had even died as a result of their lack of self-examination (1 Corinthians 11:30–32).

One difficulty with self-examination is that we do not always know our own hearts. Jeremiah 17:9 says, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” True self-examination must be done with the Holy Spirit, who searches the deep things of the heart (1 Corinthians 2:10–11). The church of Laodicea was in sore need of self-examination, but they had a hard time seeing their problem: “You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked” (Revelation 3:17). The psalmist says, “Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me and know my anxious thoughts; And see if there be any hurtful way in me, And lead me in the everlasting way” (Psalm 139:23–24). The psalmist here admits that he does not even know whether his actions and motives are pure. So he invites the Lord, the Righteous Judge, to test him and reveal to him his own sin.

Lack of self-examination can lead to ongoing self-deception; however, an over-attention to one’s self is also unhealthy. We can become so inwardly focused that we take our eyes off of Jesus and make self-improvement our god. A.W. Tozer, in his classic work The Pursuit of God, says, “The man who has struggled to purify himself and has had nothing but repeated failures will experience real relief when he stops tinkering with his soul and looks away to the perfect One. While he looks at Christ, the very thing he has so long been trying to do will be getting done within him” (p. 85). We should examine ourselves in light of the truth being revealed to us from Scripture and allow God’s Word to convict and change us. At the same time, we must humbly admit our inability to change ourselves and rely on the power of the Holy Spirit within to transform us into the image of Christ (Romans 8:29).
 
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