LOLSo, SS, my friend, you stir-stick, you.
Good one.
I'll add that to "can of worms". (and bowl of fettuccine)
Here are some lyrics I wrote about a dip stick.
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Is Lying a Violation of the Ten Commandments? - No. - Well, maybe... ???
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Good one.
I'll add that to "can of worms". (and bowl of fettuccine)
Here are some lyrics I wrote about a dip stick.
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Well that is an important verse. Bearing false witness can hurt people in a terrible way. It is evil. And as far as being children of the truth. I think we should tell the truth and strive not to lie. But the serious sin is bearing false witness probably.
Thanks for your thoughtful and detailed post.
I was planning to treat it with the same response as many other posts.
Bringing you back to the simplicity of my topic claim and observation about the 9th Commandment.
But I thought better of it. And decided to avoid my knee-jerk response. (and put it aside)
However...
I found the bit quoted above to be pivotal in your understanding of the TCs
and wanted to explore your view a bit deeper.
Questions:
- Do you take this broad approach with all the Commandments?
- How all-encompassing do you see the 4th Commandment? (Sabbath)
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Bob Estey
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If Lying is a general category, do you see bearing false witness as a subset of Lying?
Or is it separate?
Bearing false witness is considered perjury legally.
Additionally, if the bearing false witness is NOT against a neighbor, is it then NOT a sin?
(the Commandment specifies it as against a neighbor)
Sometimes I wonder if you dread getting posts from me. - LOL
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BarneyFife
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Bob Estey
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I do not believe bearing false witness against your neighbor is a subset of lying.
If you thought I was ugly, and I asked you, "How do I look?" I don't think God would punish you if you said I looked okay. However, if you lie about a person in order to get them into trouble, I think God would discipline you.
I can only take credit for the lyrics and the guitar solo at the 2:00 mark.That is really good, Steve!
A nice collaboration with MopTop.
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Perjury is one of the worst kinds of lie for a civil society because it shows utter contempt for one's neighbor. And will sturr up their hatred.
Bob Estey
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I won the mathematics award when I graduated from high school. I believe we covered subsets.
Bearing false witness is one of the Ten Commandments. That would make it a subset of the two great commandments (Matthew 22:34-40).
Sounds like an exemption from general lying.
Since only bearing false witness to your neighbor is commanded. Right?
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Bob Estey
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The law all comes from two great commandments, to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and to love our neighbors as ourselves (Matthew 22:34-40).
If I look awful, and if I ask you if I look awful, and you say no, I don't think you've broken either of the two great commandments.
Lying is specifically designated as a violation of God's standards of righteousness...... in the 1611 edition of KJV Bible..
Bob Estey
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BarneyFife
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I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I don't think anyone will mind if say that, as I said before (somewhere, anyway), the Ten Commandments were meant partly to provoke thought about broader and deeper principles of self-sacrificing, others-centered love, like that exemplified at Calvary.
With this in mind, any kind of deviation from true and accurate expression or other kind of representation—especially that which would harm others and/or garner unjust or unfair advantage to self—would not be in harmony with the spirit of the letter contained in the 9th commandment.
I heard a sermon/lecture a couple of years ago that suggested that some misrepresentations of the true and accurate state of things might be permissable by God in certain situations. The example he used, I think, was something about ministers—which he is not—characterizing certain people in their flock as being more virtuous than they really are to encourage them to improve as if expressed in a sort of prophetic/optimistic sense. He used an example of something Christ and/or Paul said in Scripture (that I can't recall at the moment) to suggest that such a course might be justified.
No doubt, some _____olators may pounce on this notion as heretical.
By the way, I still owe you a reply to your post about expansion of the 4th commandment and I'm gonna get to it, if it kills me. Self-control in the area of prioritization around here is challenging to me (so is pounding out this stuff on a 5-year-old cell phone with 70% battery capacity that I can't give up—I've ordered two brand new, fairly expensive phones in the last month that I don't particularly care for and can't seem to grab a signal where I live
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No worries. Always GOOD to hear from you. What up?
No offense, But... I don't agree with romanticizing the TCs. I understand why Sabbatarians would do that, but...
It's law and commandments. The ministration of condemnation and death. (2 Corinthians 3:7-10) Anyway...
The purpose of this topic is to ask the basic question about what the 9th Commandment ACTUALLY says
and what the church has done to GENERALIZE it.
Imagine being pulled over on the highway by a police officer and having him preen on about the spirit of the law. - LOL
This "spirit of the law", or "spirit of the letter", as you wrote is un-biblcal nonsense. IMO
The term is borrowed from modern secular sources and retrofitted to the Bible to claim something the Bible doesn't say.
PLEASE correct me if I am wrong. I think the "proof-text" is 2 Corinthians 3:6. Which says neither.
The letter of the law versus the Spirit. "... for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."
2 Corinthians 3:6 NIV
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter
but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
I agree with that.
Very Pentecostal of you. - LOL
Next thing we know, you'll be speaking in tongues.
(can I get a witness?)
Indeed!No doubt, some _____olators may pounce on this notion as heretical.
Oh my...By the way, I still owe you a reply to your post about expansion of the 4th commandment and I'm gonna get to it, if it kills me. Self-control in the area of prioritization around here is challenging to me (so is pounding out this stuff on a 5-year-old cell phone with 70% battery capacity that I can't give up—I've ordered two brand new, fairly expensive phones in the last month that I don't particularly care for and can't seem to grab a signal where I live).
My respect for your posts just tripled!
The agony. Do you have to soak your hands in ice water afterwards?
I love my HP laptop. Just $500.
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BarneyFife
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Well, no offense taken, of course, but it kinda makes replying to your post asking about how I see the 4th commandment expansively seem pointless.
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Apologies, but I didn't see anything specific about the 4th expansively in your post.Well, no offense taken, of course, but it kinda makes replying to your post asking about how I see the 4th commandment expansively seem pointless.
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You were discussing the whole of the Ten? ???
From my perspective you haven't answered my question. But... no need if you feel you have.
I value the relationship more than needling you with questions.
There are no shortage of other members here that I can torture all day long. - LOL
I don't want you to get blisters or tendonitis from answering all my challenges.
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