Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

[Ziggy]

@Ziggy @Phoneman777 @BarneyFife @Brakelite

Mark 10:17-21 = THIS is the Glorious Truth at the CENTER of the Gospel along with John 3:16

Your FULL ATTENTION is Required = LOOK and SEE

How many commandments did the LORD Jesus speak to the young ruler?

SIX commandments = Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

What was the 7th Commandment that the LORD spoke to the young Ruler?

7th Commandment = Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow ME.

SIX commandments and a NEW Commandment which is the 7th

Notice that CHRIST left out the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and the 4th

HE did this on purpose so that we can SEE and behold the GLORY of God in Person

The other Four Commandments is in CHRIST who was speaking to the young Ruler.

When we obey CHRIST, HE fulfills all Ten Commandments in us.

I reread the story of the young man who came and fell to Jesus feet and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do?

As I read it what came to mind was the prayer Jesus taught the disciples to pray.

Good Master = Our Father, which art in heaven hallowed be thy name.
Why callest me good, there is none good but God.

What shall I do to inherit eternal life = Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Thou knowest the commandments = Give us this day our daily bread

Master, all these have I kept from my youth = Forgive us our debts,

One thing Thou lackest, Sell whatsoever thou hast and give to the poor = as we forgive our debtors.

Take up the cross and follow me = Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

And thou shalt have treasure in heaven = For thine is the Kingdom, and the Power, and the Glory, Forever Amen.

And he was sad and went away grieved for he had great possesions.

Mar 10:23
And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Mat 6:14
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

The son of perdition.

1Ti 6:9
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
Heb 10:39
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Jhn 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Just thinking..
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

I appreciate your perspective, and agree that the "rest" is not limited to merely a "day", but indeed a "way".

And...just as water baptism is the outward expression of our inward decision to die to self and be made alive in Christ, so the weekly Sabbath rest is the outward expression of that inward rest we have in Jesus, seen in Hebrews 4:9-10 Lamsa's Peshitta:

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath. For he that has entered into His rest, he has ceased from his own works, as God did from His".

We show the world that our spiritual rest is in our Creator and Redeemer by resting outwardly every Sabbath day from our own literal, daily, productive work as God did when He reached the end of Creation Week ;)

1Pe 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1Pe 3:22
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Gal 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

There were many times when Jesus would say: Ye have heard it said.. eye for eye, tooth for tooth.. but I say...
Jesus has the authority and the power over the law of Moses.
The Gospel wasn't given by angels, it came directly from the Lord himself. As if Jesus on the Mount of Olives is The Lord on Mt. Sinai.
God gave Moses a law and it was broken, shattered even. Moses threw them down with a vengence when he saw Aaron and the people bowing down to an idol, and eating and drinking until the flood came and took them all away.

After this The Lord told Moses to come up and write another set of commandments as the first. But this time it wasn't with the finger of God, it was by the hand of Moses.

I would be intersted to know if the first set sounded more like the Oliviet discourse than the second set after the people had sinned.

I know what is written,

The Sign of the Sabbath​

Exo 31:12
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo 31:14
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exo 31:16
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo 31:17
It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Exo 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Mat 12:1
At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3
But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4
How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5
Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6
But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Lord of the Sabbath​

Mat 12:8
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

I will have mercy, and not sacrifice.

I hear this:

The Sabbath is a day of mercy from God for man and beast to rest in. It was not meant to be used by the law to condemn people for doing that which is good, even if it meant working. Your an Ambulance driver. People have emergencies on Saturday, it is not unlawful to drive that ambulance and get them to the hospital. Firefighters, first responders, doctors, nurses, homeless shelters, cooks, farmers who care for the flocks and the herds. Not to work them, but to feed them. Not to gain money, but to provide assistance to others.

There is a difference between keeping the Sabbath Holy and defiling it.
What did Jesus do on the Sabbath that was unlawful or unholy?

Did he defile the Sabbath by doing God's work in it?

Now some people use the Sabbath as an excuse to do their own works in. They sleep all day, they watch a ball game, they won't lift a finger to help another for fear they may be accused of breaking the law.
But that's not what the Sabbath was made for. It was made for the purpose of loving thy neighbor as thyself.
To give others rest from their labours. To heal the sick, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, to give of oneself for the better of others.

Jesus didn't only do this on the Sabbath, he did it everyday. He didn't refrain from doing good on the Sabbath even though he was accused of breaking the law that he himself made.

Now we walk in the Spirit of the Lord. We are not bound by the law to refrain from keeping anyday from doing good even in the Sabbath day.

And I can't find where any other day is ok to do that which is not good.

So, you could say, to those who are in Jesus, Everyday is God's Sabbath day if we do that which is good and holy to the Lord.

Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

This is the Spirit in which the Sabbath was founded.

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Actually, my idea of the kind of "work" from which we are to rest is the same kind of "work" from which God rested, but what kind was that? By process of elimination, we can rule out:

1. "rest from works of sin" - because God has never sinned.
2. "rest from trying to earn salvation" - because God doesn't need saving.
3. "rest in the Savior" - because God Himself is the Savior

Therefore, the only "work" from which God rested was His "literal, daily, productive work" during Creation Week, and if we're to rest on Sabbath from our work "as God did from His" - that can only mean resting from our literal, daily, productive work performed on the first six days, as well. ;)

So I'm looking at bricks.

Literal, daily, productive work.

The first time we find bricks is in Genesis.

Gen 11:3
And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
Gen 11:4
And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Gen 11:5
And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Gen 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Gen 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Gen 11:8
So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Gen 11:9
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

The children of men. Not Israel, not Gentiles... but all nations and tongues which had all come under a one world system, one universal language, and one universal purpose. To be gods.

Gen 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Gen 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Jas 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

The next time we see bricks, we are in Egypt:

Exo 1:8
Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.
Exo 1:9
And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we:
Exo 1:10
Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land.
Exo 1:11
Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.
Exo 1:12
But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and grew. And they were grieved because of the children of Israel.
Exo 1:13
And the Egyptians made the children of Israel to serve with rigour:
Exo 1:14
And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.

I have to change course here..
Mat 24:1
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2
And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Jhn 2:20
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Back on course:

Exo 5:1
And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go, that they may hold a feast unto me in the wilderness.
Exo 5:2
And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.
Exo 5:3
And they said, The God of the Hebrews hath met with us: let us go, we pray thee, three days' journey into the desert, and sacrifice unto the LORD our God; lest he fall upon us with pestilence, or with the sword.
Exo 5:4
And the king of Egypt said unto them, Wherefore do ye, Moses and Aaron, let the people from their works? get you unto your burdens.
Exo 5:5
And Pharaoh said, Behold, the people of the land now are many, and ye make them rest from their burdens.

Their burden was to make brick to build the treasure houses of Pharoah.
Mat 6:21
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Change course:

Mar 11:17
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mar 11:18
And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.

Rev 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

cont..

 

[Ziggy]

Back on course:

Exo 5:15
Then the officers of the children of Israel came and cried unto Pharaoh, saying, Wherefore dealest thou thus with thy servants?
Exo 5:16
There is no straw given unto thy servants, and they say to us, Make brick: and, behold, thy servants are beaten; but the fault is in thine own people.
Exo 5:17
But he said, Ye are idle, ye are idle: therefore ye say, Let us go and do sacrifice to the LORD.
Exo 5:18
Go therefore now, and work; for there shall no straw be given you, yet shall ye deliver the tale of bricks.
Exo 5:19
And the officers of the children of Israel did see that they were in evil case, after it was said, Ye shall not minish ought from your bricks of your daily task.

Bricks:
Isa 9:8
The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.
Isa 9:9
And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride and stoutness of heart,
Isa 9:10
The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.
Isa 9:11
Therefore the LORD shall set up the adversaries of Rezin against him, and join his enemies together;
Isa 9:12
The Syrians before, and the Philistines behind; and they shall devour Israel with open mouth. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
Isa 9:13
For the people turneth not unto him that smiteth them, neither do they seek the LORD of hosts.
Isa 9:14
Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.
Isa 9:15
The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.
Isa 9:16
For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.
Isa 9:17
Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.


Brick and stone to build treasures for themselves.

Every word in the bible is a story unto itself. Every word has meaning and a moral and a truth.

Same brick to build Babel, Same brick to build Pharaohs treasure cities, same brick turned to stone to build the temple which housed the den of thieves.
Babylon is fallen, fallen...

Mat 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Apples and oranges.. The oranges are important regardless what or where you search to find the truth.

Hugs

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

If you refuse to keep the 4th commandment which says WORK the first six days and REST the 7th day, you prove you're not a NC Christian no matter how high you raise the praise in church.

Yet, nothing in the New Testament teachings any of this

If this was true it would have been taught by Jesus and His Apostles, AND they would have included correction for those not observing Saturday saabbath saying it was a sin to not worship God and rest just one day a week.

You assessment is faulty because you have no proof of any of this from the teachings of Jesus or His teachings thru His Apostles. That's too bad for you!

A Christian cult is a group who falsely claims to follow Christ's commandments but knowingly follows "the commandments of men" in Rome.

That would be YOU, BB.

That's rich coming from someone who cannot show us in the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostles taught that Saturday sabbath was required and those not keeping it go to hell. That's too bad for you and your cult.

Christians cults presume to bargain with God over the terms of their salvation - which is the ultimate in stupidity, because they don't realize the only thing they can possibly bring to the bargaining table is a lost soul.

Those believing they earn their salvation by keeping Saturday sabbath... have fallen from grace.

"It is therefore the DUTY of the people of God to KEEP THE SABBATH". - Hebrews 4:9 Peshitta

Sure is funny how... Saturday is not even mention...

Hebrews 4:9 actually says "There remains therefore a rest to the people of God"

In the New Covenant... we are to enter in to the Lord's REST... all the time, not just one one day
In the New Covenant... we are to worship the Lord ... all the time, not just one one day

You wouldn't know this because you have been indoctrinated by a cult that thinks all one must do to be saved is go to church on Saturday and keep portions of the law of moses to earn your way in to Heaven

Here's the New Covenant sabbath homie:

Hebrews 4:1-11
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

The Ten Commandments existed before Moses, understand?

We live under the Lord Jesus Christ now... well, some of us do.

I would ask you if you understand... but obviously you do not being a cult member and all.

The true Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ leads Christians to rest in Christ by faith at all times.

There is some false spirits that lead some to believe they can only get to Heaven if they observe Saturday sabbath which is not taught anywhere in the New Covenant.

The Just Man falls from time to time, but allows God to raise him up.

So this is your way of saying you like skip Saturday sabbath sometimes?

Sounds like you are the one with the OSAS license to sin thing going on... living in sin is all good as long as one earns their salvation each week by attending Saturday sabbath like they did under the OT law.

along with Lamsa's "duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath" which is perfectly acceptable, seeing that he derives "duty" from the "qym"...which undeniably means "valid"...which (oh, you're going to HATE this) by definition is "legally binding due to having been executed in compliance with the law"

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[Brakelite]

Where do we SEE the LORD instructing the Jewish people, His disciples and us, that HE is the Fulfillment of the 7th Day of REST?

Nowhere. Not anywhere. At all. No matter your quote, it simply does not say what you want it to say.
Read it to yourself. Out loud. Several times. Listen to what it's saying. And accept and believe what it says...nothing less, nothing more. Remember what I said here...
Quote, me...
But there are other things we must rest in also. We must rest in His authority over us. Trust that what He has said, He means. Trust and rest in His provision of righteousness. Trust and rest in His word. Take Him at His word. How scripture reads, is how scripture is meant to be understood....unquote
And remember what you said in response...

More 100% TRUTH

Now apply that to yourself.

 

[Ziggy]

Num 15:32
And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
Num 15:33
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
Num 15:34
And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
Num 15:35
And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
Num 15:36
And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

1Ki 17:1
And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.
1Ki 17:8
And the word of the LORD came unto him, saying,
1Ki 17:9
Arise, get thee to Zarephath, which belongeth to Zidon, and dwell there: behold, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee.
1Ki 17:10
So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, behold, the widow woman was there gathering of sticks: and he called to her, and said, Fetch me, I pray thee, a little water in a vessel, that I may drink.
1Ki 17:11
And as she was going to fetch it, he called to her, and said, Bring me, I pray thee, a morsel of bread in thine hand.
1Ki 17:12
And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but an handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.
1Ki 17:13
And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.
1Ki 17:14
For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.
1Ki 17:15
And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days.
1Ki 17:16
And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Elijah.

Act 28:1
And when they were escaped, then they knew that the island was called Melita.
Act 28:2
And the barbarous people shewed us no little kindness: for they kindled a fire, and received us every one, because of the present rain, and because of the cold.
Act 28:3
And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
Act 28:4
And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
Act 28:5
And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
Act 28:6
Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

Jhn 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Jhn 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Jhn 8:1
Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
Jhn 8:2
And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
Jhn 8:3
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Jhn 8:4
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Jhn 8:5
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Jhn 8:6
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Jhn 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Jhn 8:8
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
Jhn 8:9
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Jhn 8:10
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Jhn 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Exo 34:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

Jer 23:29
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Isa 65:1
I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
Isa 65:2
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3
A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
Isa 65:4
Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
Isa 65:5
Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
Isa 65:6
Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
Isa 65:7
Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

Jhn 8:9
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

 

[David in NJ]

Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV absolutely refers to the seventh day Sabbath, so please stop trying to spiritualize that away by convoluted reasoning which makes no sense. These two verses plainly state it's our duty to keep the seventh day Sabbath because those who are resting inwardly in Christ are to demonstrate that by resting outwardly every seventh day from our daily work "as God did from His".

In other words, keeping the Sabbath is EFFORTLESS Christian evangelistic outreach to a pagan world attempting to obtain salvation by works.

@Phoneman777 says: Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV absolutely refers to the seventh day Sabbath

YES it does and the 7th DAY Sabbath of God is the Gospel = JESUS the MESSIAH

SAD religion worships a day of the week as a higher priority then obeying/following CHRIST.

You are just like the young ruler who chose the law over Salvation.
You are also just like jws who corrupt scripture for their pleasure.

 

[David in NJ]

I reread the story of the young man who came and fell to Jesus feet and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do?

As I read it what came to mind was the prayer Jesus taught the disciples to pray.

Good Master = Our Father, which art in heaven hallowed be thy name.
Why callest me good, there is none good but God.

What shall I do to inherit eternal life = Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Thou knowest the commandments = Give us this day our daily bread

Master, all these have I kept from my youth = Forgive us our debts,

One thing Thou lackest, Sell whatsoever thou hast and give to the poor = as we forgive our debtors.

Take up the cross and follow me = Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

And thou shalt have treasure in heaven = For thine is the Kingdom, and the Power, and the Glory, Forever Amen.

And he was sad and went away grieved for he had great possesions.

Mar 10:23
And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Mat 6:14
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

The son of perdition.

1Ti 6:9
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
Heb 10:39
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Jhn 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Just thinking..
Hugs

The TRUTH of Scripture is ALL connected and it ALL points to the LORD Jesus Christ.

Please study Exodus 31:12-17 for this also speaks of the LORD Jesus Christ

 

[David in NJ]

Nowhere. Not anywhere. At all. No matter your quote, it simply does not say what you want it to say.
Read it to yourself. Out loud. Several times. Listen to what it's saying. And accept and believe what it says...nothing less, nothing more. Remember what I said here...
Quote, me...
But there are other things we must rest in also. We must rest in His authority over us. Trust that what He has said, He means. Trust and rest in His provision of righteousness. Trust and rest in His word. Take Him at His word. How scripture reads, is how scripture is meant to be understood....unquote
And remember what you said in response...

Now apply that to yourself.

the Gospel of REST is LOUD & CLEAR = the 7th DAY has Come

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you REST.

the 7th Commandment = "take up your cross and follow ME"

It could not be any more clearer...............except to those who are still drinking old wine

 

[David in NJ]

Jhn 8:1
Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
Jhn 8:2
And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
Jhn 8:3
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Jhn 8:4
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Jhn 8:5
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Jhn 8:6
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Jhn 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Jhn 8:8
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
Jhn 8:9
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Jhn 8:10
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Jhn 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Exo 34:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

Jer 23:29
Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Isa 65:1
I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
Isa 65:2
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
Isa 65:3
A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
Isa 65:4
Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
Isa 65:5
Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
Isa 65:6
Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
Isa 65:7
Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

Jhn 8:9
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

Do you see what this is that provoked the LORD to anger?

 

[Ziggy]

that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

Do you see what this is that provoked the LORD to anger?

In the modern world it looks a lot like satanism to me.

But what I did see, I don't know if you did..
It's the same story from the garden, to babel, to Egypt, to Israel.

Everybody trying to reach the heavens and be as gods.

This is the work of man's hands which God said man should refrain from on the 7th day.
That is because the 7th day belongs to the Lord and HIS KINGDOM, which is The Lord Jesus Christ.

Who were they truly serving when God led them out of the wilderness?
Where was their heart? Where was their treasure? Where was their belly?
Oh that we had died in Egypt, oh that we were still in Egypt eating the good food and not this manna.
They created a golden calf to follow instead of the one who freed them from slavery.

I can't even tell you how much of this I see happening today. People cutting off their noses to spite their face.
People rather be in slavery under an unrighteous government, than to be free in a righteous one.
Makes absolutely no sense to me.

Israel wasn't following God... Even God said so to their face.
Ye are the seed of the devil and the works of your father ye do, for he was a liar from the beginning.
Ye shall not surely die, for God doth know that in the day ye eat of it ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil.
And so they built themselves towers and treasure houses and temples made of brick and stone to reach the heavens to be as gods.
Their kindergarten was Egypt. They refused God and chose an idol to lead them.

They never should of submitted to Rome. But, it had to be this way.

I am not anti-semitic. I believe God loves them even if they have gone astray and denied him, saught to kill him, and even crucified him.
His hand is stretched out still.

If they would only listen to his voice...

Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.

God gave Israel the law because of their transgressions.
Jesus took our sins away. We have a clean slate. All we need do is listen with our heart.
God gave Israel his sabbath because they were still slave to Egypt (flesh) . Their desire was there, their heart was there.
But we are free and no longer slaves to the flesh. We don't need a law to tell us to honor and worship God. We just do.
We love him because he first loved us.

Israel needs to come down from their pride and haughty ways, and putting smoke up the Lord's nose.
Those days of ignorance are over.

I don't know much about denominations and their beliefs. All I do know is you have to choose a side.
You either have to trust Moses' law or trust the voice of the Lord.
You are either under the law or under grace.
If you try to have it both ways you are luke warm and he will spew thee out of his mouth.
And that don't sound very good at all.


Hugs

 

[Phoneman777]

1Pe 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1Pe 3:22
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Gal 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

There were many times when Jesus would say: Ye have heard it said.. eye for eye, tooth for tooth.. but I say...
Jesus has the authority and the power over the law of Moses.
The Gospel wasn't given by angels, it came directly from the Lord himself. As if Jesus on the Mount of Olives is The Lord on Mt. Sinai.
God gave Moses a law and it was broken, shattered even. Moses threw them down with a vengence when he saw Aaron and the people bowing down to an idol, and eating and drinking until the flood came and took them all away.

After this The Lord told Moses to come up and write another set of commandments as the first. But this time it wasn't with the finger of God, it was by the hand of Moses.

I would be intersted to know if the first set sounded more like the Oliviet discourse than the second set after the people had sinned.

I know what is written,

The Sign of the Sabbath​

Exo 31:12
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo 31:14
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exo 31:16
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo 31:17
It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Exo 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Mat 12:1
At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2
But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3
But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4
How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5
Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6
But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Lord of the Sabbath​

Mat 12:8
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

I will have mercy, and not sacrifice.

I hear this:

The Sabbath is a day of mercy from God for man and beast to rest in. It was not meant to be used by the law to condemn people for doing that which is good, even if it meant working. Your an Ambulance driver. People have emergencies on Saturday, it is not unlawful to drive that ambulance and get them to the hospital. Firefighters, first responders, doctors, nurses, homeless shelters, cooks, farmers who care for the flocks and the herds. Not to work them, but to feed them. Not to gain money, but to provide assistance to others.

There is a difference between keeping the Sabbath Holy and defiling it.
What did Jesus do on the Sabbath that was unlawful or unholy?

Did he defile the Sabbath by doing God's work in it?

Now some people use the Sabbath as an excuse to do their own works in. They sleep all day, they watch a ball game, they won't lift a finger to help another for fear they may be accused of breaking the law.
But that's not what the Sabbath was made for. It was made for the purpose of loving thy neighbor as thyself.
To give others rest from their labours. To heal the sick, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, to give of oneself for the better of others.

Jesus didn't only do this on the Sabbath, he did it everyday. He didn't refrain from doing good on the Sabbath even though he was accused of breaking the law that he himself made.

Now we walk in the Spirit of the Lord. We are not bound by the law to refrain from keeping anyday from doing good even in the Sabbath day.

And I can't find where any other day is ok to do that which is not good.

So, you could say, to those who are in Jesus, Everyday is God's Sabbath day if we do that which is good and holy to the Lord.

Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

This is the Spirit in which the Sabbath was founded.

Hugs

I think confusion over the Sabbath commandment which God wrote with His own finger in stone is failure to differentiate that from what Moses wrote by his hand in a book.

The only things nailed to the Cross were "shadows of things to come" aka things which pointed to Christ's work as our Lamb and High Priest: priesthood, sacrifices, Feast Days, meat offerings, drink offerings, new moons and holy days, etc.

The Ten Commandments aren't a shadow of anything, neither is the Sabbath - a memorial pointing back to Creation, not a "shadow" pointing to anything forward - for it was created before sin when all was light. :)

 

[Ziggy]

I think confusion over the Sabbath commandment which God wrote with His own finger in stone is failure to differentiate that from what Moses wrote by his hand in a book.

The only things nailed to the Cross were "shadows of things to come" aka things which pointed to Christ's work as our Lamb and High Priest: priesthood, sacrifices, Feast Days, meat offerings, drink offerings, new moons and holy days, etc.

The Ten Commandments aren't a shadow of anything, neither is the Sabbath - a memorial pointing back to Creation, not a "shadow" pointing to anything forward - for it was created before sin when all was light. :)

Do you know the very first moment Eve thought within herself.. hmm, looks good...
She broke every commandment.

She loved knowledge more than God... Love the Lord with all your heart mind might
She turned to an idol (snake) and obeyed it's voice... no other gods before, nor bow down and worship them
She repeated what God had said, but didn't believe in it.. taking the Lords name in vain
Apparently it was the 7th day because God was not in the garden with them. And she plucked(worked)the fruit from the tree.Doing her own thing.
She didn't honor her Father God
She cut herself and mankind off from God (death) (Kill)
She chose the snake over Adam (Adultery)
She stole the fruit she was told not to take
She blamed it on the snake and not her own choice (false witness)
And she coveted what God had (knowledge of good and evil) for her own.

And then Adam ate too.
So they both broke all 10 commandments with one single bite.
Adam blamed God and the woman, the woman blamed the snake, and the snake was smart enough to keep it's mouth shut.

They don't need to be written in stone, do they? Don't we know these things are wrong inherently? Or did we only know these things were wrong when God gave Moses the law?

God was resting on the seventh day and Adam and Eve should of been with him resting as well, but they was out doing whatever they thought was best, and we see where that got us.

Hugs

 

[Phoneman777]

Yet, nothing in the New Testament teachings any of this

"I will write MY LAWS (the Ten Commandments) in their minds and on their hearts."

If this was true it would have been taught by Jesus

"Pray that your (Christians) flight be not on the Sabbath day".

and His Apostles

"Continue in grace" - Paul, to those wanting to hear him preach the next Sabbath - not the next Sunday

, AND they would have included correction for those not observing Saturday saabbath saying it was a sin to not worship God and rest just one day a week.

There was no need to correct anyone because EVERYONE kept the Sabbath for centuries after Christ, according to church history:

https://www.sabbathtruth.com/portals/20/documents/History_of_the_Sabbath.pdf

The 3 "first day of the week" texts you guys point to as "proof" the Sabbath was changed to Sunday are easily shown to be no proof at all, which is why church historians wrote all that in the link above.

You assessment is faulty because you have no proof of any of this from the teachings of Jesus or His teachings thru His Apostles. That's too bad for you!

Ignorance of church history on your part doesn't constitute faulty assessments on my part.

That's rich coming from someone who cannot show us in the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostles taught that Saturday sabbath was required and those not keeping it go to hell. That's too bad for you and your cult.

"Blessed are they which DO HIS COMMANDMENTS that they might have a right to the Tree of Life..."

So, what's the fate of those who BREAK His commandments? LOL

Those believing they earn their salvation by keeping Saturday sabbath... have fallen from grace.

Nobody believes that.

Obedience is the outward evidence of inward salvation and disobedience is outward evidence of a failure to accept salvation, according to 1 John 2:3-4 KJV.

You who disobey, be wary.

Sure is funny how... Saturday is not even mention... View attachment 41891 Hebrews 4:9 actually says "There remains therefore a rest to the people of God"

Translations ain't inspired - the Greek is. The Greek word is "Sabbatismos" which means "Sabbath" but the KJV translators who were under the papacy's centuries old "Sunday sacredness" had no way of knowing the Sabbath was still the seventh day, so they chose "rest" instead of correctly choosing "Sabbath".

In the New Covenant... we are to enter in to the Lord's REST... all the time, not just one one day

Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV says if you're resting inwardly in Jesus every day, you'll demonstrate that by resting from work outwardly every Sabbath day "as God did from His".

The Sabbath rest is literally "effortless evangelism" to a pagan world that is working itself to death trying to earn salvation.

You wouldn't know this because you have been indoctrinated by a cult that thinks all one must do to be saved is go to church on Saturday and keep portions of the law of moses to earn your way in to Heaven

No, I've been taught by Scripture that says if we love Jesus, we'll keep His commandments - you rebels against God stubbornly break His commandments and teach others to do so, and at the moment, and when those up there in the kingdom look upon these rebellious false teachers down here, they rightly esteem them "the least".

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

"Rest" is "Sabbatismos" - can you guess which day of the week it refers to?

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

"He that has entered into inward rest in Jesus will demonstrate that by resting outwardly every Sabbath from his work "as God did from His".

Literally NO OTHER WAY to interpret this.

We live under the Lord Jesus Christ now... well, some of us do.

"If you love Me, keep My commandments." (Notice, we who live under Jesus KEEP them, not break them).

I would ask you if you understand... but obviously you do not being a cult member and all.

Cult members are those who defy Jesus, not obey Jesus.

The true Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ leads Christians to rest in Christ by faith at all times.

The Holy Spirit is given to "them that OBEY Him" (Acts 5:32). Those who refuse to obey Him have a counterfeit spirit of deception, which is why rebel "Christians" don't know they're lost.

There is some false spirits that lead some to believe they can only get to Heaven if they observe Saturday sabbath which is not taught anywhere in the New Covenant.

Nobody says you can only get to heaven if you keep the Sabbath.

We say you can only get to heaven by accepting Jesus - and the outward evidence of inward salvation in Jesus is obedience (1 John 2:3-4 KJV) while the outward evidence that a person is on their way to hell is disobedience (1 John 2:3-4 KJV).

So this is your way of saying you like skip Saturday sabbath sometimes? View attachment 41892

What?

Sounds like you are the one with the OSAS license to sin thing going on... living in sin is all good as long as one earns their salvation each week by attending Saturday sabbath like they did under the OT law.

I think you're confused - I claim the outward evidence of inward salvation is obedience (1 John 2:3-4 KJV), while you claim the outward evidence for inward salvation is disobedience (still waiting for a "proof" text for this).

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Nobody thinks they're justified by obedience because obedience is the outward evidence for inward salvation, while the disobedience you preach is the outward evidence of no inward salvation and those who disobey impenitently will split hell wide open, and the universe will be rid of them and their father the devil - the first rebel - for all eternity. Hope to see you heaven, but by the way you fight against God's law, it's hard to.

 

[Ziggy]

Obedience is the outward evidence of inward salvation and disobedience is outward evidence of a failure to accept salvation, according to 1 John 2:3-4 KJV.

Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[David in NJ]

In the modern world it looks a lot like satanism to me.

But what I did see, I don't know if you did..
It's the same story from the garden, to babel, to Egypt, to Israel.

Everybody trying to reach the heavens and be as gods.

This is the work of man's hands which God said man should refrain from on the 7th day.
That is because the 7th day belongs to the Lord and HIS KINGDOM, which is The Lord Jesus Christ.

Who were they truly serving when God led them out of the wilderness?
Where was their heart? Where was their treasure? Where was their belly?
Oh that we had died in Egypt, oh that we were still in Egypt eating the good food and not this manna.
They created a golden calf to follow instead of the one who freed them from slavery.

I can't even tell you how much of this I see happening today. People cutting off their noses to spite their face.
People rather be in slavery under an unrighteous government, than to be free in a righteous one.
Makes absolutely no sense to me.

Israel wasn't following God... Even God said so to their face.
Ye are the seed of the devil and the works of your father ye do, for he was a liar from the beginning.
Ye shall not surely die, for God doth know that in the day ye eat of it ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil.
And so they built themselves towers and treasure houses and temples made of brick and stone to reach the heavens to be as gods.
Their kindergarten was Egypt. They refused God and chose an idol to lead them.

They never should of submitted to Rome. But, it had to be this way.

I am not anti-semitic. I believe God loves them even if they have gone astray and denied him, saught to kill him, and even crucified him.
His hand is stretched out still.

If they would only listen to his voice...

Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.

God gave Israel the law because of their transgressions.
Jesus took our sins away. We have a clean slate. All we need do is listen with our heart.
God gave Israel his sabbath because they were still slave to Egypt (flesh) . Their desire was there, their heart was there.
But we are free and no longer slaves to the flesh. We don't need a law to tell us to honor and worship God. We just do.
We love him because he first loved us.

Israel needs to come down from their pride and haughty ways, and putting smoke up the Lord's nose.
Those days of ignorance are over.

I don't know much about denominations and their beliefs. All I do know is you have to choose a side.
You either have to trust Moses' law or trust the voice of the Lord.
You are either under the law or under grace.
If you try to have it both ways you are luke warm and he will spew thee out of his mouth.
And that don't sound very good at all.


Hugs

In the modern world it looks a lot like satanism to me.

Correct - and it is a form of satan worship

In the modern world it looks a lot like satanism to me.

But what I did see, I don't know if you did..
It's the same story from the garden, to babel, to Egypt, to Israel.

Everybody trying to reach the heavens and be as gods.

In Isaiah time the Temple was the Center of worship for the Jewish People.
They were not permitted to build any other Temple or Altar.

#1 - The Temple is not producing the cravings/desires of the Jews, so they come up with their own plan and way to worship.
These Jews who sacrifice in gardens is related to the Garden of Eden which they so desperately want to get back to and they know they CANNOT - so they find their own special 'sacred' garden.

#2 - The incense also was only to be burnt inside the Temple and only as prescribed by the High Preist in accordance with Mosaic law.
No problem, they think - we can burn incense outside in our sacred garden where the God of the Temple will not see us!

#3 - The TRUE Altar was to be made of unhewn(virgin) stone.
The Stones chosen for the Altar could NEVER be touched by any tool = works of men's hands.
No problem, they think - we will do better and make our altar of 'FIRED' brick = simulating the fire bush of Moses and more

These THREE acts of defiance tell us that they were indeed seeking to summon the 'god' that spoke to Eve in the Garden.
They reasoned amongst themselves that the TRUE GOD was not keeping up with the times and therefore they needed
to impress another god in order for their prayers/desires to be granted to them.

They were, in fact, attempting to summon the Serpent god of from the Garden of Eden.

 

[David in NJ]

Do you know the very first moment Eve thought within herself.. hmm, looks good...
She broke every commandment.

She loved knowledge more than God... Love the Lord with all your heart mind might
She turned to an idol (snake) and obeyed it's voice... no other gods before, nor bow down and worship them
She repeated what God had said, but didn't believe in it.. taking the Lords name in vain
Apparently it was the 7th day because God was not in the garden with them. And she plucked(worked)the fruit from the tree.Doing her own thing.
She didn't honor her Father God
She cut herself and mankind off from God (death) (Kill)
She chose the snake over Adam (Adultery)
She stole the fruit she was told not to take
She blamed it on the snake and not her own choice (false witness)
And she coveted what God had (knowledge of good and evil) for her own.

And then Adam ate too.
So they both broke all 10 commandments with one single bite.
Adam blamed God and the woman, the woman blamed the snake, and the snake was smart enough to keep it's mouth shut.

They don't need to be written in stone, do they? Don't we know these things are wrong inherently? Or did we only know these things were wrong when God gave Moses the law?

God was resting on the seventh day and Adam and Eve should of been with him resting as well, but they was out doing whatever they thought was best, and we see where that got us.

Hugs

the snake was smart enough to keep it's mouth shut.

i BUST OUT laughing at this last statement = THANK YOU

 

[David in NJ]

@BarneyFife and @Brakelite
i love you guys and believe that you also love the LORD.

These comments by @Phoneman777 tell me ALL i need to know about SDA and the spiritual bondage that they are bound in.

@Phoneman777 - The Ten Commandments aren't a shadow of anything, neither is the Sabbath - a memorial pointing back to Creation, not a "shadow" pointing to anything forward - for it was created before sin when all was light.

@Phoneman777 - Nobody thinks they're justified by obedience because obedience is the outward evidence for inward salvation, while the disobedience you preach is the outward evidence of no inward salvation and those who disobey impenitently will split hell wide open, and the universe will be rid of them and their father the devil

These two comments above from @Phoneman777 are antichrist and never came from the Mouth of God.


@Brakelite and @BarneyFife
Follow the LORD Jesus who said: "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"
Study the Book of Hebrews

Hebrews 8:1-6
Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer.
For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law;
who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Colossians 2:16-19
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.