Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[ScottA]

Sure it is a pleasure to be open and direct.

That is a good way to put it, all people in the world have to make up their decisions, whether or not they believe God; however when it comes to people deciding on things about God; it's impossible to know his ways, or his thoughts, because he is God. However, over all they will be changed, in the blink of an eye, when they get that ah ha! Moment, and even without a bible in hand. Looking at the seasons and how they change, life, death, and resurrection are founded upon within the natural realm such as a tree, growing, shedding its leaves, then comes back. The creation which God has made, declares the glory of God, and while that may be so, the scriptures also tells people about the LORD, and what his decisions where, and even things which he had stated in and through the prophets of old, which all in the end of course lead to Christ. The Word that created all things, by the speaking of God himself.

Yes that is true. There is the new born again spiritually person who realizes that their is more to this life, that what it may seen. That being God, and that he is the creator of all by his spoken Word. That is why people are ambassadors for Christ, and share the word with others who want to listen. However, that individual must of course choose for themselves, what they will decide, be it having faith in hope that God is there for them, or remain faithless. There are different measures of faith when it comes to people, it's just as much as people who continue to believe that Jesus is coming back, that is totally fine if they believe that, or that people are still going to hell, or that God initially, annihilates people in the end. The love which they express by following after the Creator, and having love for Him, and love for others, is measured by all the many factors of one humans life, and the decisions they choose to make, in loving God, and loving others, and all people will be judged rightly and given their spiritual body by God at the end of this life. There are people who are building up spiritual treasures already, while others may start later, when they finally have that ah ha! moment.

Sure, this reminds me of Jesus when he said "Let the dead bury their own dead" that would suggest there are people who remain spiritually dead, and have yet to becoming born again and build up faith to whatever measure and however close they decide to get to God. Some being close, some being far away, and some people who do not desire to get close to God at all, until they decide for themselves that perhaps just maybe there is an God that exist, because it's all predicated on faith that God indeed created the world, and the bible has to be taken in as a whole in order to get a fully picture and scope of what all that is going on in it with the nation of Israel, to God, to Jesus, to the destruction, return, and that of course is a choice on an individual to go and learn those things, or stay put wherever they may be in their life, be it accepting God, or rejecting Yahava, the God of Israel.

Some of your writings really just confuse me, to some degree or another. Perhaps others are able to comprehend what you may share with them. Some may have a problem with what you may be sharing, such as myself and that is why I continue to comment on some of your sharing cause it just doesn't make any sense (but that my be because of my own understanding of what I have come to know and learn not that there is not any more learning to be done.

Everyone has to come to their own decision God, regardless of what another person says, or shares from the bible, as proclaimed truth. They must in their heart, have that faith which God is pleased with, and allow God to be in their life, and allow him to work in and through them if they so desire to do the will of God. I believe that when it comes down to it, ScottA, the spirit is primary, and the bible is secondary and referential because while many may have conflicting views based on the decision to decide whether or not say, Hell is done away with, or that Jesus is coming back to get them, in the end everyone is going to die and meet him, in my opinion. And this is why the spirit is primary and the most important because it is from Yahava, because of Yeshua, and that a person is able to have newness of life, and also a change of heart from the former way that they had decide to be against God, and against their own fellow man.

I suppose in summary, that it is important to understand that God reveals His truth (according to record) by and from the least of men, even from a donkey or an evil king, from the best of men, and also directly...and since Pentecost all truth is made available to us according to His purpose and timing.

 

[MatthewG]

May God work in and through those whom choose to serve him, ScottA.

 

[Lambano]

The next time I hear someone tell me, "You have to take into account the whole "Counsel of God", I'm going to respond with


1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...
....
...21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.


There! I've proven my point with scripture!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

The next time I hear someone tell me, "You have to take into account the whole "Counsel of God", I'm going to respond with


1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...
....
...21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.


There! I've proven my point with scripture!

Also good would be:

First Word::::::::::: "1 In..."

Middle Words: 9 "...The LORD..."

Last Word""": 21 "...Amen!"

 

[amigo de christo]

I suppose in summary, that it is important to understand that God reveals His truth (according to record) by and from the least of men, even from a donkey or an evil king, from the best of men, and also directly...and since Pentecost all truth is made available to us according to His purpose and timing.

yet even if a donkey speaks or an angel , IF what is spoken contradicts biblical truth ........IT AINT COMING FROM GOD
and thus its words must be rejected and fast too .

 

[St. SteVen]

Also good would be:

First Word::::::::::: "1 In..."

Middle Words: 9 "...The LORD..."

Last Word""": 21 "...Amen!"

Is this a create your own full council of God?
With mathematics guiding the way? - LOL
Add some biblical numerology and we are in for an interesting game. - LOL

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[Spyder]

I think I get the gist of these many pages:

The bible is a bludgeon that is wielded by those who want to claim to hold the truth because of the things they have discovered in their selected version of it. I can usually spot those people by the way they don't love others here.

I guess that leaves me wandering outside of "true Christianity" since I study (several translations) but wait on the Spirit of Yahweh to give me the truth that I should understand. All along the way, however, i try to walk as Jesus walked and consider all the people of "the way" to be kin.

 

[St. SteVen]

I think I get the gist of these many pages:

The bible is a bludgeon that is wielded by those who want to claim to hold the truth because of the things they have discovered in their selected version of it. I can usually spot those people by the way they don't love others here.

I guess that leaves me wandering outside of "true Christianity" since I study (several translations) but wait on the Spirit of Yahweh to give me the truth that I should understand. All along the way, however, i try to walk as Jesus walked and consider all the people of "the way" to be kin.

Agree.
That's good, thanks.

One characteristic of Bibliolatry that we see all the time on the forum is the discussion
of chapter and verse rather than the discussion of a relationship with God.

The importance of the book overshadowing a vital relationship with the author.
And the belief that the book is the only source for hearing from God.
That a relationship with God can only be experienced by opening a book.

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[Hillsage]

Agree.
That's good, thanks.

One characteristic of Bibliolatry that we see all the time on the forum is the discussion
of chapter and verse rather than the discussion of a relationship with God.

The importance of the book overshadowing a vital relationship with the author.
And the belief that the book is the only source for hearing from God.
That a relationship with God can only be experienced by opening a book.

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The importance of the book REALLY is revealed when our scripture disagrees with their scripture. So of what value is there really, in the bibles 900 different ENGLISH translations? Translations which have shattered OUR relationships with the ONE CHURCH that "the author" sees, when He looks down at US.

 

[St. SteVen]

The importance of the book REALLY is revealed when our scripture disagrees with their scripture. So of what value is there really, in the bibles 900 different ENGLISH translations? Translations which have shattered OUR relationships with the ONE CHURCH that "the author" sees, when He looks down at US.

What's the solution to "the bibles 900 different ENGLISH translations"?
Or isn't that the problem?

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[Hillsage]

What's the solution to "the bibles 900 different ENGLISH translations"?
Or isn't that the problem?

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Is it a problem? Only since the original author of each of the books died.

What's the solution?
JOH 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

But how much of the church today even has 'that sSpirit' in them?

1JO 2:27 but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.

 

[St. SteVen]

What's the solution?
JOH 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

But how much of the church today even has 'that sSpirit' in them?

It just occurred to me that Bibliolatry is a sort of pantheism.
Pick your Bible = pick your god

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[Spyder]

It just occurred to me that Bibliolatry is a sort of pantheism.
Pick your Bible = pick your god

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Normally, my experience has shown that people pick their commentator rather than their bible. Some seem to worship their popular theologian who gives them their truth. For some, it is their priest or pastor. Instead of performing a serious study of the bible and asking God to give clarity, we quickly go see what (insert name here) has to say about it. While I appreciate the view of others, those others don't necessarily give me truth. For that, I wait on God.

 

[St. SteVen]

Normally, my experience has shown that people pick their commentator rather than their bible. Some seem to worship their popular theologian who gives them their truth. For some, it is their priest or pastor. Instead of performing a serious study of the bible and asking God to give clarity, we quickly go see what (insert name here) has to say about it. While I appreciate the view of others, those others don't necessarily give me truth. For that, I wait on God.

That's good. And really shines a spotlight on the crux of the problem here.
The issue that is even BIGGER than Bibliolatry.

Understanding the difference between the SOURCE and a RESOURCE.

God should be our SOURCE. Everything else is a RESOURCE. (including the Bible)

/ @Hillsage

 

[Spyder]

Understanding the difference between the SOURCE and a RESOURCE.

God should be our SOURCE. Everything else is a RESOURCE. (including the Bible)

I like that. Now, I'll try to remember it.

 

[St. SteVen]

I like that. Now, I'll try to remember it.

Probably worth a topic.
I'll get it going. - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

New topic.

Source or Resource? - Understanding the difference

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[Hillsage]

It just occurred to me that Bibliolatry is a sort of pantheism.
Pick your Bible = pick your god

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That's almost profound....or maybe prophetic. Certainly has me thinking.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
It just occurred to me that Bibliolatry is a sort of pantheism.
Pick your Bible = pick your god

That's almost profound....or maybe prophetic. Certainly has me thinking.

I think AW Tozer wrote (in Knowledge of the Holy) something to the effect that
idolatry can be as simple as a misunderstanding of who God is.

Sobering thought.

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[Hillsage]

Normally, my experience has shown that people pick their commentator rather than their bible. Some seem to worship their popular theologian who gives them their truth. For some, it is their priest or pastor. Instead of performing a serious study of the bible and asking God to give clarity, we quickly go see what (insert name here) has to say about it. While I appreciate the view of others, those others don't necessarily give me truth. For that, I wait on God.

I have to admit that I found 2 in my 52 years as a believer that I truly learned the most from. I called them both the 'anointed pens' in my life. The first one being my foundational years, until the mid 80's and the other from then until his death last year. I believe the first one was anointed as a "teacher" and the last one more so as a "prophet" but with a strong teaching outreach too.

@St. SteVen