It would be nice to have an awesome fellowship with both the resurrected Christ Jesus and God. To do that we need to know more than we are just sinners saved by grace.
Am I the only one on the planet who understands Romans 7?
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Yep, you're the only one who understands Romans 7. I wish at least one other Christian understood it. Sigh!
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You should know that we already have an awesome fellowship with God via his Holy Spirit, who is Alive and Active in us, weren’t you predestined/ chosen to be Born of the Spirit?
Born of the Spirit is a supernatural spiritual “Living “ rebirth....it’s our spirit that was Born Again?
How would we know that, by the Living word of God course.
If being Born Of The Spirit isn’t supernatural ,that only the Spirit of God can do?
Pretty self explanatory from God’s word . Born Of The Spirit?
Who can see God bringing our spirit Alive in Christ?
That’s between God and them...being Born of the Spirit happens very quickly.....it’s the process that God uses to bring us to himself that takes times, as we were predestined / chosen to receive his Living Spirit into our heart/ spirit......pretty mind blowing when you look back ....my opinion and thoughts.
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I have been all over this forum and have asked many people and I don't believe I found one person who knows the difference between being "in Christ" and "Christ in" you.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
They mean the same thing....only one must understand it in the Spirit ..it’s the heart/ spirit in us that needs to hear God’s Living word.....many are still in the intellect..imo....God needs to open up their hearts to understand his word...via his Spirit speaking/ witnessing with our spirit Gods truth.
For without the Spirit we are none of His...just human intellect/ understanding.
So far not one and I believe it's because the churches teach that the whole Bible is written to the Christian. So they don't understand the difference when Paul for an example is speaking to the Jews, Gentles, or the Church of God.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Prove they don’t using scripture?
Instead of voicing your opinion.?
Commentary.
What does it mean to be in Christ and Christ in you?
“Christ in you;” profound words written by Apostle Paul in his letter to the Colossians, literally means that Jesus Christ is alive and His Spirit lives and dwells in the spirits of His children. As humans, we exist as tripartite beings. You are a spirit, you have a soul, and you live in a body.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
You’re a gentile are you not?
And how were you grafted into Israel?
And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree.
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CadyandZoe
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Christians sometimes use the term "sin nature" to describe the tendency to commit sins, as if it is an innate biological trait. However, this is a misunderstanding because the word "nature" refers to our inherent character and behavior, not to our motivations. Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, humans are naturally inclined towards sinful behavior, which is a part of their nature. We sin because that is who we ARE.
James says that we are motivated by our lust, which is an aspect of who we are as human beings. We lust for things and people and it matters what we do with that lust.
Paul locates our sin within our members as if to suggest that our bodies are the problem. He mourns over the fact that he is in bondage to his "body of death" as he calls it. He rejoices that Jesus will free him someday of his "body of death."
According to Paul, our inner thoughts and desires are the root cause of our sinful nature. He explains that while reflecting on the Tenth Commandment, he realized that he was constantly coveting. The Tenth Commandment is unique because it focuses on our intentions. It's not enough to simply avoid committing adultery or stealing; we must also refrain from desiring what belongs to others. In other words, our innermost thoughts and desires are an integral part of our sinful nature.
Our actions and behavior reflect our inner selves, but our true nature is revealed by our thoughts and motivations. Even though we can act against our nature, we are judged based on who we truly are. Jesus explained that lusting after a woman is equivalent to committing adultery in one's heart. Our thoughts, feelings, and motivations are what convict us. Therefore, the Holy Spirit works within us to develop an enlightened self-awareness and understanding of existence, purpose, and meaning. He transforms our minds and hearts so that we will be like Him when we meet Him.
There's no reason for me to read past your first paragraph because we are not on the same page. You are saying the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I'm saying we no longer have a sin nature when the spirit of Christ enters the Christian. You are saying we sin because that is who we are. The difference between you and me is this...
The victory in the Christian life is as simple as renewing our minds to who we are and what we have already received in Christ. It’s not the struggle of two natures inside of us. We will continue to struggle with sin if we see ourselves as old sinners saved by grace. And so it's also true we will manifest the change that took place in our new nature when we understand we are not old sinners saved by grace. Thus, we act like being part of the senses world when we see ourselves as being part of the senses world. We act like being part of the Christian world when we see ourselves as being part of Christ—i.e., in our born-again spirits.
I did not write the Bible. So me telling you how I use the word Gentile has nothing to do with the Scriptures. God does not refer to me as a Gentile Christian. Now you can. And you can write your own book if you want to. But God does not use that language.
Here's 3 of them...1 John...
Hereby know we that we dwell in him
and he in us
God dwelleth in him and he in God
he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God
and God in him
Ritajanice
Born-Again
We are in each other...Holy Spirit indwells my spirit..pretty simple to understand.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Romans 11:11-31
English Standard Version
Gentiles Grafted In
11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion[a] mean!13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
The Mystery of Israel's Salvation
25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[c] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now[d] receive mercy.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
The Holy Spirit indwells His Born Again child..
You must know in your spirit that you are Born Again?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Ok, this is off topic anyway, I may start a topic about being grafted into the vine.
There's no verse anywhere in the Epistles that says Gentile Christian. You may talk like this or even think like this and can write all kinds of topics about it. But the Bible does not talk like that anywhere in the Epistles. And this is important because we need to know what the Scriptures are talking about when they use words.
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