Am I the only one on the planet who understands Romans 7?

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What about in the Holy Bible, when All Scripture is breathed out by GOD?
All Scripture is God breathed, but not all Scripture is addressed to you. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
 
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Correct-to either the unregenerate-Believing Yehudi-believing Goyim-who are all kodeshim.
That is why it is Imperative to rightly cutting straight the word of YHVH.

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference [ Distinction (diastolē). See note on this word Rom_3:22. Here it is followed by the ablative case Ioudaiou te kai Hellēnos (between Jew and Greek).between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.]

Rom_3:22, Rom_3:29-30, Rom_4:11-12, Rom_9:24; Act_10:34-35, Act_15:8-9; Gal_3:28; Eph_2:18-22; Eph_3:6; Col_3:11

Joh_20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Act_16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Act_24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Rom_15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

1Ti_6:2 And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.

1Pe_1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
 
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All Scripture is God breathed, but not all Scripture is addressed to you. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
You really do not know and going around in circles explaining babes in Christ stuffs.
 

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Romans 7:7–25 unpacks verse 5, and Romans 8:1–17 unpacks verse 6. In verses 7–25 we see how sin via the law brings death to those in the flesh, and in Romans 8:1–17 we see how the Spirit grants life to those who belong to Jesus Christ. Romans 7:5–6 forecasts what Paul is about to say in remarkably clear terms. The Holy Spirit is never mentioned in Romans 7:7–25. But Paul refers to the Spirit 15 times in Romans 8:1–17, suggesting that the person described in Romans 7:7–25 is one who doesn’t have the Spirit in his life. The essence of what it means to be a Christian is to be indwelt with the Spirit (Rom. 8:9). We see in both Romans 7:14 and 7:18 that the one described is of the “flesh,” one who is still in the old Adam, one who is unregenerate.

The total defeat described in Romans 7 contradicts how Paul describes Christian experience in Romans 6 and 8. Paul proclaims in Romans 6 that we’re no longer slaves to sin (6:6), that we’re free from the sin that enslaved us when we were unbelievers (Rom. 6:16–19).

Romans 7- Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

A number of objections surface against what I’ve said. Let’s look at two of them briefly. First, how does a reference to unbelievers fit with Romans 7:23 (“For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being”)? Doesn’t such delight and longing for God’s law show that a believer is in view? Not necessarily. Many pious Jews loved God’s law and yet didn’t know God. Paul himself testifies that the Jews have a “zeal for God,” though they lacked knowledge (Rom. 10:2). There can be zeal and delight in the law (witness the Pharisees) when one isn’t truly saved.
Second, Paul shifts from past-tense verbs in Romans 7:7–11 to present-tense verbs in verses 14–25. Doesn’t that prove Christians are in view? Not necessarily. Scholars recognize that present tense doesn’t necessarily designate present time. The temporal nature of an action must be discerned from context, since present-tense verbs, even in the indicative, may be used with reference to the past or even the future.

The tense of the verb doesn’t emphasize time in Romans 7:7–25. Rather, the use of the present tense here fits with the state or condition of the person. Paul is emphasizing one’s captivity, subjugation, and impotence under the law. His use of the present tense doesn’t denote past time but highlights in a vivid way the slavery of life under the law.

If I’m right in the way I interpret this passage, the difference between me and those who see this as Christian experience isn’t great. After all, we both agree that believers fall short in numerous ways and that we struggle daily with sin. The reason we differ is that I see Romans 7:13–25 as describing total defeat, and that isn’t our story as Christians since the Holy Spirit also empowers us to live in a new way.Schreiner

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If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.
Oh I see-by administration you mean dispensation-right?
 
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Romans was addressed to Rome, but in chapter 7 Paul tells us clearly that he would like to now talk to his Jewish buddies. And so he is no longer addressing the Christian in that chapter.
There has been controversy between scholars concerning whether Paul was speaking about his former life or his present one that struggles with sin as does the Christian. If we were born again and all of a sudden started behaving like perfect Christ-like beings, there would not have been a necessity to write much of the New Testament that encourages to practice, follow, love, walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh, etc. No we still have tue old self that wars against the Spirit and the Spirit wars against the flesh. It is a daily walk that requires obedience, prayer and love. Encourage one another is stated forty times. "Walk in the Spirit not in the flesh". How many times are we reminded this? Romans 7 reveals a struggle still within the New Creature ( even though we are saved and sealed). We are told to mortify the flesh and we grow spiritually. We don't instantly behave like Christ.
Do you think are perfectly Christ-like in your behavior? Spiritually we are, but we still live in this body and have the remnant of our bold ways _ still living in this world _ tempted daily. We have three parts: body, soul and spirit. Our spirit is in Christ, but our fleshly self is not - hence the dilemma until we die and are separated from this body.

 
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You may not be Catholic but most Christians believe Catholic stuff. Here's an example...

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.
You really don't know about me, do you?

Your paragraph above is sure a mash-up!

Anyway, I've begun to realize that you have this concept of me that's more formed from your interactions with others than with me. I guess you think you have me pidgeonholed, and nothing seems to shake you loose from that.

Thank you for the pleasant converstation, but there won't be any fruitfulness here.

Much love!
 
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You really don't know about me, do you?

Your paragraph above is sure a mash-up!

Anyway, I've begun to realize that you have this concept of me that's more formed from your interactions with others than with me. I guess you think you have me pidgeonholed, and nothing seems to shake you loose from that.

Thank you for the pleasant converstation, but there won't be any fruitfulness here.

Much love!
Would you be so kind to tell me where I'm wrong? Which of the following is not what you believe...

1.) There's a trinity
2.) Dead people are alive and go right to heaven after they die
3.) God is in control of everything that happens and picked you and has a plan for your life
4.) The Four Gospels are written to Christians and so we can read them and believe all of it applies to us
5.) Water baptism is what the churches should all be doing
6.) We should confess our sins
 

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There has been controversy between scholars concerning whether Paul was speaking about his former life or his present one that struggles with sin as does the Christian. If we were born again and all of a sudden started behaving like perfect Christ-like beings, there would not have been a necessity to write much of the New Testament that encourages to practice, follow, love, walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh, etc. No we still have tue old self that wars against the Spirit and the Spirit wars against the flesh. It is a daily walk that requires obedience, prayer and love. Encourage one another is stated forty times. "Walk in the Spirit not in the flesh". How many times are we reminded this? Romans 7 reveals a struggle still within the New Creature ( even though we are saved and sealed). We are t9ld to mortifying the flesh. And we grow spiritually. We don't instantly behave like Christ
Do you think are perfectly Christ-like in your behavior? Spiritually we are, but we still live in this body and have the remnant of our bold ways _ still living in this world _ tempted daily. We have three parts: body, soul and spirit. Our spirit is in Christ, but our fleshly self is not - hence the dilemma until we die and are separated from this body.

Who ever said after we are born again that we would all of a sudden start behaving like perfect Christ-like beings? The word perfect does not seem to come up in the Scripture I quote. Here let's look at John...

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit
sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

It does not say... Whosoever is born of God will
all of a sudden start behaving like perfect Christ-like beings, for his seed remaineth in him: and he will be a perfect Christ-like beings because he is born of God.
 

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Oh I see-by administration you mean dispensation-right?
The different time periods in the Bible are called dispensations. The Greek word for “dispensation” is “oikonomia” meaning the act of administering. The word “o’kos” means house, and “nemo” means to dispense, to weigh or deal out, as a steward or housekeeper. Therefore, the word was used to manage or administrate a household. The word is used three times in Luke 16:2-4, where it's translated “stewardship.” In four other places it's translated “dispensation.” I like the word administration because it communicates very well with our current English language. We must understand these administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one.
 

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You really do not know and going around in circles explaining babes in Christ stuffs.
I'm probably one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the New Testament Epistles and the Characteristics of the resurrected Christ. For you to say that I don't know or that I teach kid stuff does not say much about your biblical understanding.
 

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Romans 7 tells us right up at the top of the chapter that Paul is talking to those who are into or know the law. And then the context of the whole chapter is how we can see it's all about Israel and their Law and how they toy with their flesh. What Paul talks about in the seventh chapter of Romans is what occurs to the believer who still thinks the Law applies to them. They end up spiritually dying by the commandment and realize that the commandment does not produce life. The war is with their flesh because they are still believing the Law has power over them. In the eighth chapter of Romans is where it explains how we overcome this whole issue by living in the spirit and being dead to the Law. We cannot live by faith in what Christ has done for us and still think our obedience to written laws are necessary.
Peterlag,
Romans 7 isn't about the Law as such. Rather, Paul is writing to Messianic Jews living in Rome, who will undoubtedly hear objections to the Gospel of Jesus Christ from other Jews who are not believers. He begins to defend the Gospel against his Jewish opponents, beginning in Romans chapter 6 with a series of rhetorical questions. Romans 7 continues his answer to the rhetorical question recorded in Romans 6:15, "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?"

I agree with your analysis that in chapter 7, Paul is addressing his fellow Jews. The central question he raises is whether a Jewish person would commit a sin if they stopped adhering to Jewish practices, such as eating kosher food. Paul argues that a Messianic Jew is no longer bound by the ritualistic practices of Judaism because they are now under grace, not under the Law. In chapter 7, he explains his reasoning behind this position.

To put it differently, the first half of Romans 7 is entirely an analogy. In essence, the argument is that a Messianic Jew was previously bound to the Law as a means to attain justification from God. However, that "husband" or means of justification, has died. This liberation allows the Messianic Jew to seek a new "husband", that is, justification through faith in Jesus Christ.

Old husband = practicing Judaism as the means to attain God's justification.
New husband = following Jesus Christ by faith as the means to attain God's justification.

The "husband" of the Messianic Jew passed away, which allowed them to pursue justification through faith. Seeking justification through faith is not a sin, but in fact, the only way to do so. Nowadays, serving God is done through the Spirit rather than through following strict rules and regulations.

Bottom line: it is not a sin for a Jewish person to forego living Jewishly in order to follow Jesus Christ instead. It isn't as if a Jewish person must stop living Jewishly. Only now, the Jewish person isn't bound to the law out of duty or obligation. It is not a sin for a Jewish person to come out from under the Law.
 

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I'm probably one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the New Testament Epistles and the Characteristics of the resurrected Christ.
Wow, I guess there is just no disagreeing with you then, you are full of the knowledge of Christ and His word. Likely you don't even need the Holy Spirit to teach you? The non-Trinitarian view explains a lot. Well then, no need for my input, so that's all folks!
 
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Wow, I guess there is just no disagreeing with you then, you are full of the knowledge of Christ and His word. Likely you don't even need the Holy Spirit to teach you? The non-Trinitarian view explains a lot. Well then, no need for my input, so that's all folks!
My response that you are quoting was sent to a guy who said I write on the level to babes in Christ and that I probably don't even know what I'm talking about. I'm just being honest in my reply to him.
 

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Peterlag,
Romans 7 isn't about the Law as such. Rather, Paul is writing to Messianic Jews living in Rome, who will undoubtedly hear objections to the Gospel of Jesus Christ from other Jews who are not believers. He begins to defend the Gospel against his Jewish opponents, beginning in Romans chapter 6 with a series of rhetorical questions. Romans 7 continues his answer to the rhetorical question recorded in Romans 6:15, "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?"

I agree with your analysis that in chapter 7, Paul is addressing his fellow Jews. The central question he raises is whether a Jewish person would commit a sin if they stopped adhering to Jewish practices, such as eating kosher food. Paul argues that a Messianic Jew is no longer bound by the ritualistic practices of Judaism because they are now under grace, not under the Law. In chapter 7, he explains his reasoning behind this position.

To put it differently, the first half of Romans 7 is entirely an analogy. In essence, the argument is that a Messianic Jew was previously bound to the Law as a means to attain justification from God. However, that "husband" or means of justification, has died. This liberation allows the Messianic Jew to seek a new "husband", that is, justification through faith in Jesus Christ.

Old husband = practicing Judaism as the means to attain God's justification.
New husband = following Jesus Christ by faith as the means to attain God's justification.

The "husband" of the Messianic Jew passed away, which allowed them to pursue justification through faith. Seeking justification through faith is not a sin, but in fact, the only way to do so. Nowadays, serving God is done through the Spirit rather than through following strict rules and regulations.

Bottom line: it is not a sin for a Jewish person to forego living Jewishly in order to follow Jesus Christ instead. It isn't as if a Jewish person must stop living Jewishly. Only now, the Jewish person isn't bound to the law out of duty or obligation. It is not a sin for a Jewish person to come out from under the Law.
I see the "sin nature" as something that existed before Jesus Christ destroyed it when the spirit of Christ came within the believer. This spirit is indeed a life form that is in all Christians and it seems to me one cannot understand and therefore function or be in the spirit if our old nature (which is dead) thinks in its unrenewed mind that it supposed to be fighting against the new nature. Paul wrote in Galatians 2:20, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:" That's what I'm talking about. I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh. It now seems perfectly clear to walk in the spirit is the same as putting on the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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You really don't know about me, do you?

Your paragraph above is sure a mash-up!

Anyway, I've begun to realize that you have this concept of me that's more formed from your interactions with others than with me. I guess you think you have me pidgeonholed, and nothing seems to shake you loose from that.

Thank you for the pleasant converstation, but there won't be any fruitfulness here.

Much love!
Don’t worry about it...I’m an evil John Calvin worshipper, apparently...and I’m not Born Again.

God knows your his Son and I’m his Daughter and he’s our Daddy...that’s all that Matters...Praise God!
 
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I'm probably one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the New Testament Epistles and the Characteristics of the resurrected Christ. For you to say that I don't know or that I teach kid stuff does not say much about your biblical understanding.
Brother, why are you praising your own knowledge?

Without the Spirit you would have NO spiritual knowledge...so why not give God the praise ?..instead of yourself?
 

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I see the "sin nature" as something that existed before Jesus Christ destroyed it when the spirit of Christ came within the believer. This spirit is indeed a life form that is in all Christians and it seems to me one cannot understand and therefore function or be in the spirit if our old nature (which is dead) thinks in its unrenewed mind that it supposed to be fighting against the new nature. Paul wrote in Galatians 2:20, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:" That's what I'm talking about. I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh. It now seems perfectly clear to walk in the spirit is the same as putting on the Lord Jesus Christ.
I fully understand that my old man was crucified with Christ, there no ifs or buts about it, I’m also not in the flesh I’m in the Spirit, because I know who I am in Christ...now in honesty that has taken yrs to understand in the Spirit, plus we are all at different places of understanding and God speaks to us all very differently....that’s why we all understand differently..imo...It takes many yrs imo to mature and grow in the Spirit, we never stop growing or learning....we are being made into Jesus image and being prepared for the day we meet God in our resurrected bodies...just my thoughts.
 

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I fully understand that my old man was crucified with Christ, there no ifs or buts about it, I’m also not in the flesh I’m in the Spirit, because I know who I am in Christ...now in honesty that has taken yrs to understand in the Spirit, plus we are all at different places of understanding and God speaks to us all very differently....that’s why we all understand differently..imo...It takes many yrs imo to mature and grow in the Spirit, we never stop growing or learning....we are being made into Jesus image and being prepared for the day we meet God in our resurrected bodies...just my thoughts.
The only part I wish I knew how to teach better is how to get in the spirit. The churches have destroyed this idea by teaching we put on the new man by following the teachings of Jesus as we walk in our flesh. So this is a lost art.
 

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Brother, why are you praising your own knowledge?

Without the Spirit you would have NO spiritual knowledge...so why not give God the praise ?..instead of yourself?
What you are quoting was my response to a guy who said I teach to babes in Christ and that I probably don't even know what I'm talking about. I was responding to him and just telling the truth.