Misunderstandings about hearing the Lord

[St. SteVen]

She's saying that God speaks to all of us in a different way.

She's saying that NO ONE can hear God's audible voice.
As I understand it.

Those just aren't my gifts.

In my view, we don't own the gifts, the gifts own us.

I liked your post though, Thanks.

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[St. SteVen]

That doesn't mean that we are hearing an audible voice. It means our thoughts must be in-line with what Jesus wants. Obedience to His commandments, etc.

Why would they be otherwise?

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[Behold]

I know what you mean, but I think those who are not YET born again can hear God's voice too.

Everyone who is currently born again, heard ....

And the unbelievers are being called. = The Cross

The one thing the unbeliever, or the fake Christian, I(religious, water baptized, but lost) can't do is discern the word of God.
They can read it.
But, that is not the same thing..

 

[Ritajanice]

She's saying that NO ONE can hear God's audible voice.
As I understand it.


In my view, we don't own the gifts, the gifts own us.

I liked your post though, Thanks.

She's saying that NO ONE can hear God's audible voice.
As I understand it.


In my view, we don't own the gifts, the gifts own us.

I liked your post though, Thanks.

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As were under the New Covenant.....does God’s word say we will hear his voice in an audible voice?

If it does ,then I stand corrected...

 

[Ritajanice]

Everyone who is currently born again, heard ....

And the unbelievers are being called.

The one thing the unbeliever, or the fake Christian, I(religious, water baptized, but lost) can't do is discern the word of God.
They can read it.
But, that is not the same thing..

Excellent.....Amen!!...Brother!

 

[amigo de christo]

She's saying that NO ONE can hear God's audible voice.
As I understand it.


In my view, we don't own the gifts, the gifts own us.

I liked your post though, Thanks.

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No matter what voice we hear audible or etc , IF that voice contradicts scripture , IT AINT COMING FROM GOD .
Whether by dream , by feelings , by audible or etc , IF that voice or thought , if even a speaking donkey
IF it contradicts the holy scrips , IT WONT BE HEEDED by this lamb.
As far as hearing the voice of GOD , it happened in a dream long long ago .
But i dont think this all inclusive gen gonna like what was said .
But i will describe it as best as i can .
I was in a dream
And this voice came to me . It seemed like it came from above
and yet at the same time it seemed to be coming from even within me .
Do that make sense . Its like , for example , if a man were talking to you and YET the voice at the SAME TIME
is coming also from within you .

 

[amigo de christo]

Everyone who is currently born again, heard ....

And the unbelievers are being called.

The one thing the unbeliever, or the fake Christian, I(religious, water baptized, but lost) can't do is discern the word of God.
They can read it.
But, that is not the same thing..

Yep . And mark these next words well my friend .
If the jesus i was called to and embraced , EMBRACES SINS and calleth all religions as valid ways to GOD so long as they love ,
IT WERENT JESUS I WAS CALLED TOO . I see too many folks who seem not to preach JESUS CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED
rather jesus and the world . And that aint JESUS .
JESUS came not to preach the love of the world , of the lusts of the flesh . HE came to free us .
So if anyone came to a grab it n blab it money give me that money jesus , then know and understand why that jesus
was not typed as JESUS .
IF any came to a jesus thats love seems to honor sins and hold up rainbows , THEN know and understand
that they did not HEAR from GOD and they were not drawn by GOD to JESUS CHRIST .
THEY WERE DRAWN by the lusts of their own hearts lustful desires to a jesus preached of men that gave them their lustful
hearts desire of another jesus that serveth the flesh . AND I PROMISE that jesus cannot save one soul .
BUT OH YES , THE BORN AGAIN HAVE HEARD THE CALL . they have eyes to see and ears to HEAR . AND THEY HEAR
and HEED the VOICE OF the GREAT SHEPARD , CHRIST JESUS , of the sheep .

 

[Behold]

I see too many folks who seem not to preach JESUS CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED

1 Corinthians 1​

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23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles (unbelievers,heretics) ..​

= foolishness.​

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24 But unto them which are called, both (Jews and Gentiles),.. Christ = the power of God, and the wisdom of God.​

 

[Ritajanice]

1 Corinthians 1​

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23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles (unbelievers,heretics) ..​

= foolishness.​

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24 But unto them which are called, both (Jews and Gentiles),.. Christ = the power of God, and the wisdom of God.​

Great to see you back, Brother....oh boy have I missed the word of God through you!!!

 

[One 2 question]

As were under the New Covenant.....does God’s word say we will hear his voice in an audible voice?

If it does ,then I stand corrected...

The great thing is that we have recorded accounts of God not only being able to speak to people audibly, but examples of where He did.

1) This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. Baptism (Mark 1:11)

2) This is my Son listen to Him. Transfiguration (Matthew 17:5)

3) I have glorified your Name and will do it again. Last week of his life (John 12:28)

These particular limited accounts may or may not tell us if only God fearing people heard Him when He did speak or everyone present with Jesus, including Pharisees and other unbelievers. And God addressed the people with Jesus, not for Jesus's sake but those around Him.

Who knows how many other times God spoke audibly to humans while Jesus was present or not.

And I agree, He isn't limited with the means in which He communicates with us.

 

[One 2 question]

I know what you mean, but I think those who are not YET born again can hear God's voice too.

Yes, I agree, for the Spirit was sent to convict the world, not those already born again, of sin, righteousness and the judgement to come. For before there was a holy bible, there was the Holy Spirit communicating with humans. Actually from personal experience Holy Spirit is still speaking, loud and clear in the absence of the bible.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, I agree, for the Spirit was sent to convict the world, not those already born again, of sin, righteousness and the judgement to come. For before there was a holy bible, there was the Holy Spirit communicating with humans. Actually from personal experience Holy Spirit is still speaking, loud and clear in the absence of the bible.

Yes.
And the experience of Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus is a great example.
Those with him heard it too.

Acts 9:7 NIV
The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless;
they heard the sound but did not see anyone.

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[Karl Peters]

The great thing is that we have recorded accounts of God not only being able to speak to people audibly, but examples of where He did.

1) This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. Baptism (Mark 1:11)

2) This is my Son listen to Him. Transfiguration (Matthew 17:5)

3) I have glorified your Name and will do it again. Last week of his life (John 12:28)

These particular limited accounts may or may not tell us if only God fearing people heard Him when He did speak or everyone present with Jesus, including Pharisees and other unbelievers. And God addressed the people with Jesus, not for Jesus's sake but those around Him.

Who knows how many other times God spoke audibly to humans while Jesus was present or not.

And I agree, He isn't limited with the means in which He communicates with us.

No you don't have example where God, except for when Jesus was walking in the flesh, talked to people audibly in the Bible, you only think you do and that because our understanding is too often only based on our walk in the flesh and not in the Spirit!

I am not saying God couldn't make audible sounds if He wanted to; but He can also talk to people with His Holy Spirit with enough force to make them think they are hearing sound waves instead of from His Holy Spirit.

So Moses heard the Lord speak from the mountain, and so did the people gathered with him at the foot of the mountain, but only Moses understood what was said, to the others God speaking came across as "thunder". And this should make sense to all us Christians, because we hear the Lord speaking to us, right. And especially at church, right? And some are talked to and get such a touch by God that we often see them breakdown, right? But maybe that all depends on what Christian church and what Christian?

Some Christian, like many of the Israelites with Moses, just don't listen to the Lord everyday called Today - so they are dull of hearing!!

Even to get through to them like "thunder" He puts some emphasis to what He is saying, and when it does come through, because they are dull of hearing, it often just comes through as "thunder."

That is why when the spirit fell like tongues of fire, the dedicated people hear what everyone was saying in their own language, because the Holy Spirit was interpreting it for them, but those who did not seek the Lord just hear babble and thought they were drunk. Yet by leaning on your own understanding, like those Jews there who thought the devoted were drunk, you will not understanding. With your ears you will barely hear and with your eyes you won't see. To fix that you have to seek our Lord Jesus Christ and actually start talking with Him, and that should be everyday called Today, right?

 

[Karl Peters]

Yes, I agree, for the Spirit was sent to convict the world, not those already born again, of sin, righteousness and the judgement to come. For before there was a holy bible, there was the Holy Spirit communicating with humans. Actually from personal experience Holy Spirit is still speaking, loud and clear in the absence of the bible.

I kind of like the above post, but what is with "Holy Spirit is still speaking, loud and clear in the absence of the bible."

The "absence of the bible??????

Do we not hear the Him speak to us concerning the Bible? And don't we hear from Him everyday, like when we sit down and pray the Lord's prayer with our Bible available in case He wants to talk about something in it - or even when we go to the store without our bible but with our shopping bag?

I read what other Christians write and often it does not really make sense to me. Jesus said He would never leave me and that He sends His Holy Spirit - who we know does not speak on His own initiative but rather takes the words of God which Jesus has and brings them to us, like a living telephone line. We know that because that is who we live our lives, and that matches up with what is written in the Bible.

So whether I have my Bible (bibles and other reference material) or not is irrelevant to whether I have the Holy Spirit and can talk to HIm at anytime!! So why would anyone write "in the absence of the bible", as if that was relevant to being able to hear from the Lord either with or without the bible.

The Bible is not a substitute for the Holy Spirit - as if I am ok if I have either the Bible or the Holy Spirit - but rather the Holy Spirit of the Lord indwells us so as to bring us the words of God for us - like the instructions God has for us personally, the teachings God has for us personally, the encouragement God has for us personally, the wisdom God has for us personally, and those wonderful words I personally hear from Him "Karl, I love you".

Maybe I am making a mountain out of a mole hill - or perhaps people tend to make a mole hill (the Bible as a percent of what the Lord has to say to us personally) into a mountain (even the mountain of God) ????

Consider: I heard from the Lord about a dozen different times during the day, which I admit is not enough, but somedays He does not have me even reference the Bible. And even then it is not for much time. Today He had me in Isaiah 27 -28 just talking to me briefly about current events and how those without discernment of spirit will be those done away with!

Is 27:11 When its limbs are dry, they are broken off;
Women come and make a fire with them,
For they are not a people of discernment,
Therefore their Maker will not have compassion on them.
And their Creator will not be gracious to them.

I mean if we don't truly understand that the Holy Spirit is always with us in this world where we also battle with the dark forces of this world, and the corresponding principle of fact that sin is also always present in us - then how good is our good is our discernment of spirit?

The Bible is not a spirit, either the Holy Spirit, or the heaven spirits with comprise the army of God which there are more with us than against us, nor those powers principalities and dark forces of this world.

So do we not know that the Bible is like a text book that the Lord uses like a Teacher? The Bible then is not a substitute for the teacher. but more like a homework assignment that is given to us to read and even that as instructed by the Teacher Today!

We read that if all that the Lord had done (even in those few short years with His disciples) perhaps the whole world would not contain it. So the Bible is not even a big mole hill, but some people have even thought so much of it as to think knowing it as opposed to actually knowing Jesus Christ was going to save them!

Jn 5:39,40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Now that is a huge, massive, misunderstanding; to think that the Bible is a replacement at any time for actually hearing what the Holy Spirit has to say to our spirit! And note: the Holy Spirit, as a spirit even the Spirit, does not use sound waves for you physical ears but rather He speaks to your spirit, though perhaps a person doesn't always understand what came to their spirit and what came to their physical ears?

Jesus told the Jews:

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So a brief quiz based on the accuracy of the above verse:

Do the people with Moses at the mountain of God when God spoke hear sound waves or the Spirit speaking to their spirit?

Remember that Jesus Christ is and was the Word of God then, and His words are from the Holy Spirit and are spirit!

So, the Israelites with Moses then hear words spoken by the Holy Spirit to their spirit, and those words came across as thunder to them, but words to Moses!

So when Jesus spoke to Paul on the road to Damascus, and those with him heard something, was what they heard sound waves or the Holy Spirit speaking to their spirits?

Again His word are spirit!!!! As is "the words that I have spoken to you are spirit".

This explain why when Jesus spoke audible words, in sound waves, to the Jews when He was in the flesh He was still right by saying:

Jn 5:38 “You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent.

and

Jn 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

And yet still they would die in their sins because they did not have His words from His Holy Spirit in them, but were instead thinking their study of the Bible was going to save them!

We are not doing that, right?

We are not making that "mole hill" (The Bible) amount of written words God had others write as if we were standing on and going up to the mountain of God to hear Him, are we?

Reading your Bible is not taking the class! He once told me:

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

Yeah - you should have the textbook for the class, and I feel certain the Teacher will tell you to read it (indeed the first words I heard form Him were "Read Your Bible") but it is not Him or the Bible - it is Him!!!! You don't get to heaven and the Kingdom of God unless you believe in Him and faith comes from hearing Him speak to you personally!! So why keep making a mountain out of the mole hill?? The mole hill is a good place to start up the mountain but if indeed you are on the mountain of God you are hearing from God, personally!!

 

[One 2 question]

I kind of like the above post, but what is with "Holy Spirit is still speaking, loud and clear in the absence of the bible."

The "absence of the bible??????

Do we not hear the Him speak to us concerning the Bible? And don't we hear from Him everyday, like when we sit down and pray the Lord's prayer with our Bible available in case He wants to talk about something in it - or even when we go to the store without our bible but with our shopping bag?

I read what other Christians write and often it does not really make sense to me. Jesus said He would never leave me and that He sends His Holy Spirit - who we know does not speak on His own initiative but rather takes the words of God which Jesus has and brings them to us, like a living telephone line. We know that because that is who we live our lives, and that matches up with what is written in the Bible.

So whether I have my Bible (bibles and other reference material) or not is irrelevant to whether I have the Holy Spirit and can talk to HIm at anytime!! So why would anyone write "in the absence of the bible", as if that was relevant to being able to hear from the Lord either with or without the bible.

The Bible is not a substitute for the Holy Spirit - as if I am ok if I have either the Bible or the Holy Spirit - but rather the Holy Spirit of the Lord indwells us so as to bring us the words of God for us - like the instructions God has for us personally, the teachings God has for us personally, the encouragement God has for us personally, the wisdom God has for us personally, and those wonderful words I personally hear from Him "Karl, I love you".

Maybe I am making a mountain out of a mole hill - or perhaps people tend to make a mole hill (the Bible as a percent of what the Lord has to say to us personally) into a mountain (even the mountain of God) ????

Consider: I heard from the Lord about a dozen different times during the day, which I admit is not enough, but somedays He does not have me even reference the Bible. And even then it is not for much time. Today He had me in Isaiah 27 -28 just talking to me briefly about current events and how those without discernment of spirit will be those done away with!

Is 27:11 When its limbs are dry, they are broken off;
Women come and make a fire with them,
For they are not a people of discernment,
Therefore their Maker will not have compassion on them.
And their Creator will not be gracious to them.

I mean if we don't truly understand that the Holy Spirit is always with us in this world where we also battle with the dark forces of this world, and the corresponding principle of fact that sin is also always present in us - then how good is our good is our discernment of spirit?

The Bible is not a spirit, either the Holy Spirit, or the heaven spirits with comprise the army of God which there are more with us than against us, nor those powers principalities and dark forces of this world.

So do we not know that the Bible is like a text book that the Lord uses like a Teacher? The Bible then is not a substitute for the teacher. but more like a homework assignment that is given to us to read and even that as instructed by the Teacher Today!

We read that if all that the Lord had done (even in those few short years with His disciples) perhaps the whole world would not contain it. So the Bible is not even a big mole hill, but some people have even thought so much of it as to think knowing it as opposed to actually knowing Jesus Christ was going to save them!

Jn 5:39,40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Now that is a huge, massive, misunderstanding; to think that the Bible is a replacement at any time for actually hearing what the Holy Spirit has to say to our spirit! And note: the Holy Spirit, as a spirit even the Spirit, does not use sound waves for you physical ears but rather He speaks to your spirit, though perhaps a person doesn't always understand what came to their spirit and what came to their physical ears?

Jesus told the Jews:

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So a brief quiz based on the accuracy of the above verse:

Do the people with Moses at the mountain of God when God spoke hear sound waves or the Spirit speaking to their spirit?

Remember that Jesus Christ is and was the Word of God then, and His words are from the Holy Spirit and are spirit!

So, the Israelites with Moses then hear words spoken by the Holy Spirit to their spirit, and those words came across as thunder to them, but words to Moses!

So when Jesus spoke to Paul on the road to Damascus, and those with him heard something, was what they heard sound waves or the Holy Spirit speaking to their spirits?

Again His word are spirit!!!! As is "the words that I have spoken to you are spirit".

This explain why when Jesus spoke audible words, in sound waves, to the Jews when He was in the flesh He was still right by saying:

Jn 5:38 “You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent.

and

Jn 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

And yet still they would die in their sins because they did not have His words from His Holy Spirit in them, but were instead thinking their study of the Bible was going to save them!

We are not doing that, right?

We are not making that "mole hill" (The Bible) amount of written words God had others write as if we were standing on and going up to the mountain of God to hear Him, are we?

Reading your Bible is not taking the class! He once told me:

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

Yeah - you should have the textbook for the class, and I feel certain the Teacher will tell you to read it (indeed the first words I heard form Him were "Read Your Bible") but it is not Him or the Bible - it is Him!!!! You don't get to heaven and the Kingdom of God unless you believe in Him and faith comes from hearing Him speak to you personally!! So why keep making a mountain out of the mole hill?? The mole hill is a good place to start up the mountain but if indeed you are on the mountain of God you are hearing from God, personally!!

Thanks for your reply. This may be a good start for those who, like myself, made the bible the only source of truth to us from God.

And there may be a very few, again like myself, who made the bible the only go to source and the thing I put between God and myself.

It was my teacher, comforter, director, corrector, guide, source of knowledge. I consulted it before Him. I had developed a much much greater relationship with it than Him.

It had become an idol, a thing that came between myself and God which I repented of and took it off the throne of my mind, my heart.

I went cold turkey and have not looked back. I have developed a relationship with the Spirit of God's Son Who communities with me in the absence of the bible.

Would I encourage everyone to do as I have? No. But there may be a few who can relate to my journey. I guess what they do with it is between them and their God.

 

[Karl Peters]

Thanks for your reply. This may be a good start for those who, like myself, made the bible the only source of truth to us from God.

And there may be a very few, again like myself, who made the bible the only go to source and the thing I put between God and myself.

It was my teacher, comforter, director, corrector, guide, source of knowledge. I consulted it before Him. I had developed a much much greater relationship with it than Him.

It had become an idol, a thing that came between myself and God which I repented of and took it off the throne of my mind, my heart.

I went cold turkey and have not looked back. I have developed a relationship with the Spirit of God's Son Who communities with me in the absence of the bible.

Would I encourage everyone to do as I have? No. But there may be a few who can relate to my journey. I guess what they do with it is between them and their God.

I love the honesty and revelation in the above post!!!!

There is a lot to look and in the above post and understanding what is said in it.

Indeed, the first words I heard from Jesus Christ, The Word of God, were "Read You Bible".

So I fully agree that starting with the Bible is a good idea, because it was indeed where the Lord had me start. I didn't even hear another word from Him until I had finished reading the Bible. So as something to do first makes a lot of sense!

Yet it is written in the Bible that the Scriptures are good for giving us, "the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim 3:15)

So we are not looking for the Bible but rather for salvation which is from faith in Christ Jesus! Our ultimate goal is not knowing the Bible, but knowing the Bible is to lead us to faith in Jesus Christ - and what does that mean and look like?

Faith comes from hearing Jesus Christ - "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ." (Rom 10:17)

And Jesus said He would never leave us - So we can, if we believe it, get a response and hear Him and anytime! We can ask Him about the Bible, and get understanding. We can ask Him about what to buy at the grocery store and get the best advice. We can ask Him about our job/work and get advice their also! So who should not be hearing from Him, by simply asking Him and listening? If indeed the entire world were to actually seek Him, then what wars do we have? None is the answer. There would be no prejudice, because even while we might look through our eyes, while everything was made from Him so no prejudice! Of course that also means no prejudice for ourself, either!!

And that is indeed the reason we don't want to hear from Him!! People are selfish, and that is why we don't want to actually hear from the Lord!! But if you read the Bible, then perhaps you can make the next step up the mountain. Then if you hear from Him once, perhaps you can make another step up the mountain of God. Then if we practicing listening to Him we can get up to the mountain of God so we can truly get to know Him personally.

He might and probably will keep teaching us from the Bible even then, but the Bible is not the teacher, He is - right?

So I love the above post. He once pointed out to me that we can not have a personal relationship with a book, even the Bible. And also, as pointed out in the above post, He thus talked to me about making an idol out of the Bible. Making a physical object a god - our God - is called idolatry. So nice post. :)

 

[St. SteVen]

And there may be a very few, again like myself, who made the bible the only go to source and the thing I put between God and myself.

Sounds like the Bible is an idol.
A thing you put BETWEEN God and yourself. Is that a good idea?
Better to worship the author than the book, right?

/ cc: @Karl Peters

 

[josefmolana]

The Lord asks me to preach the Word, and that to mean that we (all people really) need to seek Him and that to hear what He personally has to say to us! That means that we, each of us, should personally know Jesus Christ because we talk back and forth with Him. We each you be able to hear His instructions to us, personally, and that in words which we find in our mouth and hearts. That is the Word of God we are preaching (see Romans 10)

Of course so many people I talk to (and I mean Christians who are supposed to hear His voice) don't listen to Him like they should. I guess I don't listen to Him like I should either, because I usually only hear from Him a dozen different times during the day. That is not that good, considering He is with me all day long and that He is God, so I don't listen to Him like I should either. But this morning He ask me to write on this problem, because even I find that most Christians don't hear from Him even that much. Because of that there is a lot of misunderstanding about what He says, when I do try and talk to other Christians about hearing from Him.

The most common misunderstanding comes from a fear of the devil as opposed to a fear of God. It is not uncommon, but is perhaps the most common thing that happens when I try to explain to people (Christians) that I hear from our Lord Jesus Christ, is that they right off think I must be hearing from the devil. We see this very thing in the Bible with Jesus.

Jn 8:52 The Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets also; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste of death.'

If they (God people, the Jews) told Jesus that he had a demon when He was telling them to hear from Him and keep His word, then it is going to happen to you, when you talk about hearing Him and doing what He says. It is not what I say, because I am just telling them to seek our Lord Jesus Christ, but it is the fact that they themselves don't believe that anyone can seek Him and find Him. Instead they believe that if you seek to hear from Jesus Christ you will instead hear from the devil / a demon. That is because they fear the devil as opposed to God. They don't realize it, but if they really feared God they would be afraid not to seek His Son Jesus Christ and listen to Him! It is a failure to do that, by faith, which results in people going to hell. You are either going to be influenced by our Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God, or you are going to be influenced by demons, whether you know it or not!!

So Jesus explained to them:

Jn 8: 49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.

Indeed, if you don't hear from Him "Today" then you are dishonoring Him who is always with you!!!


Now because of that first misunderstanding I also find that when I tell people about hearing from Him they think that what I hear is not going to match up with the Bible. This is kind of humorous to me, because of course what He says does not conflict with the Bible, and He will prove it to you if you reason (talk back and forth) with Him. Indeed, it is not that He matches up with the Bible but that the Bible of course matches up with Him!! People get that backwards and that because they don't listen to Him.

So I find people telling me that He (Jesus Christ) has to match up with the Bible, and that tells me right off that they don't listen to Him - because they got that simple statement backwards!! Of course, they don't realize that either, because they have a misunderstanding about what it is like to actually be hearing from Him.

The Bible tells you that your thoughts are not His thoughts and your ways are not His ways, so we are in a poor position to understand the Bible with our Him as our Teacher (meaning we have to be hearing from Him to be taught of God) This is explained in the Bible, but if you don't listen to Him, then you are the one not matching up with the Bible!!

Prov 3: 5-7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

Indeed, the person saying that He has to match up with the Bible has already violated the above proverb, because they mean that He (The Word of God who is God) must match up with their understanding, so they don't acknowledge Him in all their ways!

And this brings me to the next thing, and the thing that really bugs me, so that I talk to Him about it - which is probably why He asked me to write:

It goes with and comes from the first two misunderstandings, and that is when I tell people to seek Jesus Christ and listen to Him, they wind up thinking that what I am going to say next is going to be evil. Now I often give them a testimony about things He has told me, but that never stops them from thinking that the next thing I am going to say will be evil. Indeed, they often try to figure out how what I already said might be evil. Of course the do, because like already mentioned, they think I have a demon just because I tell them to seek Jesus Christ and listen to Him, and they are not fearing God but are fearing the devil. They are like the servant of the prophet who could only see the enemy surrounding the city but could not see the Chariots of fire (army of God) that surround all things.

For example, not long ago I was posting on the forum and telling people to listen to the Lord when another poster thought he could tell me about my political views. He thought for sure that I was a far-left democrat. Well, the Lord is not either Republican nor Democrat, but there is a reason that more Christians tend to be Republican today. Not all, certainly there are even Democrats that are Christian, because God is neither. However, I can tell you that God is not for abortion, which is what I explain to that poster. Neither is He prejudice in anyway, because He made all things. I am not saying Republican are or that Democrats are not, but only that He is not. He is neither black nor white, Republican nor Democrat. That of course is Him and not me. I will tell you that from my listening to Him I tend to be more Republican, but I can also see many faults there also.

For example - the Lord is not for abortion, but don't forget that Moses was a murderer and God used Him, so be careful how you judge. Also the Lord is about forgiveness, so have we talked to Him about student debt? There is something written about not being in debt, are we (as Christians) doing that to our children? So a misunderstanding would be to follow a party as opposed to the Lord, right?

Thanks for sharing your experiences. It's tough when people misunderstand your message. Keep encouraging others to seek a personal connection with Jesus. Misunderstandings can arise, but stay true to your faith like Ayat Kursi Latin Inspires the ummah

 

[Karl Peters]

Sounds like the Bible is an idol.
A thing you put BETWEEN God and yourself. Is that a good idea?
Better to worship the author than the book, right?

/ cc: @Karl Peters

A piece of wood is not an idol until we make it one! And so neither is the ink on paper is not an idol until we make it one. And so the sacred writings that people made according to the what they heard from the Lord are also not an idol until we make them one. So we the object is unimportant but out thinking of them is what's important!

Jn 5:39,40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

In the above verse, was not the Bible (Scriptures) the exact thing the Jews had put between them and God so as not to actually seek the Lord and listen to Him?

Clearly they were thinking their searching the Scriptures was giving the eternal life, according to Jesus (God's salvation) the Christ and our Lord God - so they were not actually seeking Him and what He has to say to them via the Holy Spirit. And it is the Holy Spirit bringing us His words that give us life, right?

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

Therefore the Bible is not meant to be an idol, but rather a textbook that the Lord teaches us from! But if we are not actually seeking the voice of our Teacher and getting His teachings, but instead do not seek Him for our instructions, teachings, and our eternal life, then we have made an idol out of our Bible, right?

Understanding, along with wisdom and knowledge comes from actually listening to Him, does it not?

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Yet when we go to church and listen to the words from the podium; is this made clear to us???

I remember actually watching one preacher from the podium lift a Bible up over His head and loudly exclaim that his Bible was the living and active "Word of God"! Was He right? Is not Jesus Christ the living and active Word of God whom we personally know like His sheep who actually hear His voice on those days called "Today"?

I came across a man in a thrift store who came up to me while I was looking at the isle of books there and ask me if I had seem a book on preaching the Word of God because he was called to do that. So I asked the man if He had talked to the Lord for a clearly idea of what He wanted, because I had seen many books that might help.

Then that man looked at me with a puzzled look, and inquired as to what I was talking about. To which I explained that of course the Lord speaks to us, so I was just asking about what specifically he had heard about this book he was looking for.

Then he asked me if I thought I could hear from the Lord. To which I responded of course. Abram heard from the Lord and so I could also,

That concept and statement made that man very upset, as he tried to explain to them that people do not hear from the Lord today!

Where did that man get this wrong idea, since he was thinking that he needed to preach the Word of God to be the Bible? Was it not at some Christian church bringing confusing statements from behind their podium?

I used some verse, calmly from the Bible right then and their in that thrift store to hopefully correct that man, but it only seem to make him more upset - so I walk away from him because he was getting very angry.

Then in the parking lot of that same thrift store I meet a man on the way to my car. That man wanted a dollar and I gave it to him, but I also asked this man begging on the street if he thought he ever heard from the Lord. He told me that He did hear from the Lord but too often got upset with the Lord because of the things that had happened in his life. He knew he needed to work on that and not get so upset with the Lord, and I got a blessing (God bless you) from that man.

So inside he thrift store I had found a angry mad that said he had to preach the Word of God but didn't believe in hearing from Jesus Christ, but outside I found a man that got angry with the Lord but believed in hearing from Jesus Christ.

So I have a question for anyone reading this thread:

Which one of the above men actually believed in Jesus Christ? So which one seems more likely to be saved, according to what is written in the Bible?

Jn 3: 16,17 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

Did we not read that many would come to Him saying how they did things in His name, but were going to be sent away because they never knew Him?

Mat 7:22,23 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

I know it is not mine to decide, but it sure seemed like the man looking for books to preach the Bible as the word of God did not know the Lord, and even the suggestion of that made him made. Whereas that homeless man outside the thrift store trying to beg for money did seems to know the Lord though he knew he got made at the Lord. So I believe the homeless beggar will not be judge for being angry with God, because he believes and does hear from the Lord - whereas it seems to me that the man with money to buy some books and was looking to preach "The Word of God" did not know the Lord so may not be forgiven for getting mad a me, a man trying to actually help him.

And from what I hear from our Lord Jesus Christ and the teachings He gives me and backs up with the Bible, it seems my thinking lines up with Him!

 

[Karl Peters]

Thanks for sharing your experiences. It's tough when people misunderstand your message. Keep encouraging others to seek a personal connection with Jesus. Misunderstandings can arise, but stay true to your faith like Ayat Kursi Latin Inspires the ummah

Thank you for the encouragement and understanding.

There are times, many times, when I don't want to do what the Lord tells me and specifically about telling others about Him. But it is like what Jeremiah wrote:

Jer 20:9 But if I say, “I will not remember Him
Or speak anymore in His name,”
Then in my heart it becomes like a burning fire
Shut up in my bones;
And I am weary of holding it in,
And I cannot endure it.