Trump is dangerous - a Messianic Complex
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Hazelelponi
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No I am not. If that's your question.
And individual Christians actually went overseas, without any US military involvement, to serve with the Brits in fighting against Hitlers advance when our own government refused to get involved.
But, you saying automatically that those men and women were not Christian because they chose to fight against Hitler tells me all I need to know about you.
Honestly it does. That's all anyone needs to know about you.
Apparently in your mind, someone can sign up to fight for a secular government, and fight in any old war that government decides is right and that's okay, but if they allow the Holy Spirit to guide them and choose to only fight in a war that they believe is just then it makes them a non-Christian...
Yep. That says everything I need to know about you.
If you are curious about my faith, you can sign me onto the ***1689 London Baptist Confession of faith for my beliefs. I'm sure in your mind that's a non Christian too... lol .. you are perfectly free to join the Catholics in declaring us anathema, though God might have something different to say when all is said and done... Everyone loves to hate Baptists I guess.
*** Not that I attend a confessional church or anything, but I have gone through that confession and agree with it. I would have no issues with joining a 1689 confessional church.
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Hazelelponi
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This is a small rant here, but if anyone wants to know why people like me prefer using our God-given talents for the general good it's this right here that just happened.
I'm a convert to Christianity and it is this right here, this little declaring anathema on, even just potentially being your brothers and sisters in Christ, people is what makes Christianity look bad.
It's not the politics. The politics are flipping [for emphasis] awesome, the politics are open to anyone and free, the debates before the age of Twitter were amazing and informative and just plain helpful to everyone. The politics used to be so full of hope for the future!
It was watching Christians beat each other over the head with doctrine that was ridiculous, even though Muslims do the same, it was still ridiculous when Christians did it. (And I love doctrine, but I really think perhaps God will lead his people to it before he'd want this)
That's what makes people want to think you're horrible people.
So do you know why I prefer to stick with basics when talking to other Christians yet on the other hand prefer talking to people about faith, and then anyone that will listen, when it directly impacts politics?
It's because of this stupid infighting.
I'll stand toe to toe with Satan out in the public square all day long just to fight Satan and get to stand on my Lord's side doing it before I'll use these talents I was born with to do this... To do this to the name of my Lord and Savior...
To take His Holy and Precious Name in vain like this is just utterly and totally disgusting to me.
The world should be better off having known you... Not just simply horrified.
So I use my talents the only way I know how... I repeat: The only way I know how.
And that is to largely only to speak to other Christians in the public square on topics that are largely agreed upon, or only engage in light discussion about smaller topics, in order for people looking on to know that Christians do have areas of agreement and they do have love of one another.
Because I do actually feel love in my heart for my fellow Christians, and that is what I think is important to show the world about Christ. We are different because Christ is different. That's what they need to know...
So to me that's really important to show.
I also love giving advice. I've been to hell and back in my life and can actually give some awesome advice - how not to be like me... Lol. I'm great at that!
I give advice and help and encouragement to my fellow Christians on a consistent and regular basis, I also spend time in prayer every day also for other Christians..
I don't know how else to use myself for the Church. God didn't create a preacher in me. I can point to wonderful pastors and sermons though, but I can't ever preach them.
So I spend a little time fighting satan in the public square. I can't see the wrong in that, and I can't imagine it would make me some kind of a weird cult member .. though it is a little fun to go piss satan off on his home turf... lol.. can't actually deny that.
But maybe the really weird cult members are the ones going around declaring anathema on all and sundry!!?!! Have you ever thought of that?
Maybe it really isn't the people who think like me.
I'm a convert to Christianity and it is this right here, this little declaring anathema on, even just potentially being your brothers and sisters in Christ, people is what makes Christianity look bad.
It's not the politics. The politics are flipping [for emphasis] awesome, the politics are open to anyone and free, the debates before the age of Twitter were amazing and informative and just plain helpful to everyone. The politics used to be so full of hope for the future!
It was watching Christians beat each other over the head with doctrine that was ridiculous, even though Muslims do the same, it was still ridiculous when Christians did it. (And I love doctrine, but I really think perhaps God will lead his people to it before he'd want this)
That's what makes people want to think you're horrible people.
So do you know why I prefer to stick with basics when talking to other Christians yet on the other hand prefer talking to people about faith, and then anyone that will listen, when it directly impacts politics?
It's because of this stupid infighting.
I'll stand toe to toe with Satan out in the public square all day long just to fight Satan and get to stand on my Lord's side doing it before I'll use these talents I was born with to do this... To do this to the name of my Lord and Savior...
To take His Holy and Precious Name in vain like this is just utterly and totally disgusting to me.
The world should be better off having known you... Not just simply horrified.
So I use my talents the only way I know how... I repeat: The only way I know how.
And that is to largely only to speak to other Christians in the public square on topics that are largely agreed upon, or only engage in light discussion about smaller topics, in order for people looking on to know that Christians do have areas of agreement and they do have love of one another.
Because I do actually feel love in my heart for my fellow Christians, and that is what I think is important to show the world about Christ. We are different because Christ is different. That's what they need to know...
So to me that's really important to show.
I also love giving advice. I've been to hell and back in my life and can actually give some awesome advice - how not to be like me... Lol. I'm great at that!
I give advice and help and encouragement to my fellow Christians on a consistent and regular basis, I also spend time in prayer every day also for other Christians..
I don't know how else to use myself for the Church. God didn't create a preacher in me. I can point to wonderful pastors and sermons though, but I can't ever preach them.
So I spend a little time fighting satan in the public square. I can't see the wrong in that, and I can't imagine it would make me some kind of a weird cult member .. though it is a little fun to go piss satan off on his home turf... lol.. can't actually deny that.
But maybe the really weird cult members are the ones going around declaring anathema on all and sundry!!?!! Have you ever thought of that?
Maybe it really isn't the people who think like me.
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Eternally Grateful
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I understood the point you were trying to make. Ordinarily I don't believe there is anything wrong with casting a vote and handing out flyers, as long as your conscience is clear. But when people tell me they are emphatically "very enthusiastic" about DT, it worries me for their sake. There is a general fervor surrounding him that is not ordinary - it's like a cult. To me the issue isn't about whether to vote or not, it's about where our hearts are.
It's not a cult-- it's rather an old-fashioned notion called popular support. Folks like him, not for who he is as a person, but for what he does as a President. He disrupts. People recognize that Washington is broken and corrupt and more than anyone else anywhere-- the swamp creatures of Washington loathe and fear Donald Trump. He makes them very uncomfortable and that's a good thing.
Odd though it seems, folks can support a man whom they might find personally distasteful if he is personally effective.
I think Christian soldiers went to fight mostly because they were ordered to do so by their government and they obeyed and hopefully conducted themselves in an honourable manner for His sake. And it was a just cause. As long as nobody conflates physical fighting with the faith of Christ, they are ok. It is the conflating of carnal methods and weapons and institutions with the faith of Christ that is the problem. That is a mindset that leads to the mixing of state and religion and the oppression that comes from it. Bible says we are to discern between the holy and the profane (common).
Yes I agree that is odd. There was a time was when character mattered very much to Christians. And you passed over by a big margin someone who seemed like a better choice who didn't come with all the problematic scandals and character baggage. That struck me as odd too. It shows us something if we are willing to see it. When you see odd things that don't make sense, it signals there is something spiritual going on beneath the surface.
As Amigo mentioned Hitler............the people were enthralled with Hitler, they were making an idol out of him, and it was they who gave him their trust and power. Something spiritual was going on then too....the devil is a seducer and very deceptive. (With cults, it is because the people are idolizing the cult leader that gives him his power over them....it is a spiritual snare of their own making essentially.)
The Lord gave me a dream about DT a few years ago...in the dream he was just going along minding his own business but then someone came along and prodded and inspired him. It happened two times....two terms. People are the ones giving him his power....if he has a messianic complex it is because people put that in his mind and are making a messiah out of him. And most amazingly, in the dream they did it because a voice from heaven told them to, twice. God is on His throne and it is He who sends strong delusion, in effect....it is a judgment. And, He is watching over His word to fulfill it.
Jer 4:10
Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, Ye shall have peace; whereas the sword reacheth unto the soul.
Please let us guard our hearts and make sure our trust is where it should be. In God, not in a man.
Just want to say this in response. What it is.....is exactly what it is in any individual's heart. Whether "cult" and idolatry, or just something innocent. We need to individually examine and guard our hearts.......because from where I sit, in a general overall sense what is happening here is not looking good for most generally.
Hilarious. People can disagree with your opinion without jeopardizing their souls. That is-- folks can have their own opinions, just as you have yours. Don't think so much of your own.
Focus on Canada..... (where your opinion and your vote matters) ---it's become horrible simply because it needed a Trump but got Mr Dress Up instead.
Well, I've stuck my neck out and given what I'm discerning.....out of love for grassroots Christian America. People will do with it what they will.
No, Canada's situation is horrible because the church in general has lost its moorings here, much as it has in the United States. Does the bible say we're wrestling with flesh and blood or with powers and principalities? So why are we losing the battle? Hasn't God promised that if we do right He will fight our battles and be with us in the battle? So....that says we the church are not doing right....sin in the camp,no fear of God, and all kinds of false doctrines.
It's looking as though we will be getting a reprieve in the next election, but that's all, just a reprieve.....and I think it will test our hearts much as your political situation is testing your hearts in America. I pray by the grace of God that I will not make a messiah out of a politician. There but for the grace of God.....I seem to so often start out on the right foot and then the Lord has to sort me out. In our weakness His strength is made perfect....this is why it's so important not to be hardened, but remain soft and pliable, teachable and correctable, in the Potter's hands.
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Even IF Trump thinks of himself as a messiah figure-- that wouldn't make him one. So have no fear.
Secondly-- I'll say again, because you seemed to have missed the point. Americans don't think or care about what Canadians think about their politicians.
I got your tone loud and clear brother. I'm not being critical or judgmental here. We are our brother's keeper and sometimes it is hard to see the forest when we are surrounded by trees, so it can be helpful to get a perspective from someone outside the forest. We are to watch each other's backs, in other words. You feel free to help us hapless Canucks out too, because we sure do need help here.
These two statements are incompatible.
We did. We sent Tucker to Calgary and Edmonton, on a mission from God.
I was very enthusiastic about Ronald Reagan also. No, I'm not "cult of Trump", which is more a derogatory term from those against him. He's the greatest president I've seen in my life, and maybe he's among the greatest the US has known.
The constant religious fervor is from those against him, hammering daily at his image to take him down in the eyes of others.
Look at the E Jean Carroll case. They had to pass new law to get it in the courts. The "evidence" is laughable, it's being paid for by rich never-Trumpers, it's an evil abuse of process, Lawfare. Yet daily in the news, week after week after week, and that's just one example of so many! And after the 1000's of lies year after year, people end up being swayed by it, and they see the accusations, and sound bites, and not the President.
Meanwhile, this is the guy who secured our country's borders, ended Roe v Wade, cut our taxes, built our military, no wars, brought back domestic production, built our economy twice.
I live here, I know what my life was like before President Trump's administration, and during, and after.
No, it's not a cult of Trump, it's a bunch of people who realize what's on the line, and the extreme difference between our choices. Yes we are enthusiastic. It's a good thing.
Much love!
I'm asking for scripture references from the New Testament instructing Christians to take up arms and start killing people.
You have no such scripture references to share and that tells me all I need to know about you, homie.
Apparently you are a warmonger who advocates for killing people in the Name of Jesus.
I'm, not interesting in anyone's "faith" that enjoys going out and killing people
And it's also because some claiming to be Christians want to start whacking people
Yep! Christians are not called to take over the world for Jesus as some suppose.
It's just a general saying, and I think it applies in general. No, I'm not preaching self-reliance.
But I think it's a true saying, in general. Be strong in the Lord.
Much love!
Amen! We're not called to change the world, but to rescue souls out of the world through the gospel. As per the example of Noah and the ark. The world is appointed to wrath and there's nothing we can do to change or prevent that.
This will be controversial to some, but I just ask that it be considered. I think what is tripping up Jews as well as Christians along these lines is the idea of the 1000 year reign. Jews are looking to make a 1000 year utopia on earth and so are many Christians. But what if that is only allegorical in scripture and is referring to the age we are in now? Christ is reigning now (seen by faith not by sight) and when He returns scripture says He will return the kingdom back to the Father. Jesus said after His resurrection that all power on earth and in heaven had been given to Him by the Father....so that is now, for this age.....He has been ruling ever since then. Bible says He is reigning now until all enemies be put under His feet. All things have been put under His feet but we do not yet "see" all things put under. If the sick are healed, demons are cast out and the dead are raised we have to know that the kingdom has come to you, Jesus said. Now in this age. The age of longsuffering which Peter wrote about that we are to account as salvation.....this is the time of God's grace and longsuffering to save souls, which time will come to an end. Which he referred to when he wrote that a thousand years is as a day. Jesus is only returning once, and when He does it is judgment day and this world goes up in smoke. This is the only way to resolve those scrips that only seem to contradict each other when we try to hold to the 1000 year reign beginning after He comes again. This neatly resolves all of them that I know of. Veering off topic, but just leaving that to weigh and consider in light of the scriptures.
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What about those who say, or even imply, mean and untrue things of others? Is that more interesting?
Much love!
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