Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?

[David H.]

Yes, that is the Great Trib.

Currently, we are in the "time of the Gentiles' and we are accepted by God, based on the Gospel of the Grace of God.

You should find out what that is, ... @David H.

the fifth seal opened when Stephen was stoned.... Been opened since then and we have been in the tribulation since then, stop trying to divert from our calling as believers with easy believism... This is where dispensationalism has gone astray.

I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev. 1:9)

 

[Behold]

False. God gives grace to the humble. You are proud. God will have mercy on those who have mercy..and whoever He wants to. You are a legalist.

Defining me as yourself?

C'mon.

You're theology is harmful, because its not biblical, as ive shown many times, and other's have as well.

You are stuck in baby mode. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world.

True.

Calvinism is indeed a lie.

All the naming and claiming in the world will only separate you from God...not bring you closer. You should be honest about your true condition.

"naming and claiming"?

Yes, i claim that Jesus is my Salvation,..... and i proclaim, that your sci-fi, partially Mormon "higher walk in Zion" is a deception.
Your Theology is man-made, not God made.

 

[Episkopos]

Defining me as yourself?

C'mon.

You're theology is harmful, because its not biblical, as ive shown many times, and other's have as well.



True.

Calvinism is indeed a lie.



"naming and claiming"?

Yes, i claim that Jesus is my Salvation,..... and i proclaim, that your sci-fi, partially Mormon "higher walk in Zion" is a deception.
Your Theology is man-made, not God made.

My testimony is true and you will regret your words.

 

[Behold]

the fifth seal opened when Stephen was stoned..

And Paul McCartney is not a real Beatle, the myth says....

So, What else you got, to pretend that you know what you are talking about, @David H. ?

 

[David H.]

You have been second-guessed by the crows.

One thing I have learned is that people change from time to time and sometimes stray off the path. I Questioned because I have not been here in a while and do not know what has happened over that time. You Clarified before I even posted but did not read it before i posted.
God Bless.

 

[Behold]

My testimony is true and you will regret your words.

You'll never see that day., Mr Legaiist.
See, my post's would never say that "Jesus is a/my whipping boy", or that "God's Grace is FREE STUFF".
And you've said that, and think its funny to spit on the Cross with such fierce carnality.

So, you are the one who is going to get the regret that you hope finds me.

Watch and see.

 

[Episkopos]

One thing I have learned is that people change from time to time and sometimes stray off the path. I Questioned because I have not been here in a while and do not know what has happened over that time. You Clarified before I even posted but did not read it before i posted.
God Bless.

Yes...missed you being here brother. :)

 

[Episkopos]

You'll never see that day., Mr Legaiist.
See, my post's would never say that "Jesus is a/my whipping boy", or that "God's Grace is FREE STUFF".
And you've said that, and think its funny to spit on the Cross with such fierce carnality.

So, you are the one who is going to get the regret that you hope finds me.

Watch and see.

Have not enjoyed reading your venom.

 

[MA2444]

It's about our eternal position In the salvation of God. There's a difference between what we do now and a future inheritance.

I agree with this. The more reward we have built up our treasures in heaven from our good deeds on earth that we have, the better our station in that life will be. I don't want to be the plumber again, lol. I'd like a desk job or an out door job but not the crawlspace! Oh no!!!

Many here claim to have God's personal righteousness. This will bring a heavy judgment if not true. Such will be rejected into outer darkness.

I have said this before. It goes, I am the righteousness of God in Christ. Since I am born again in spirit I can say this as a truth. I've caught flak for it from people who do not understand that it is only in spirit that we are righteous (if we be in Christ). We are at the same time, not righteous in the flesh. That transformation is near but has nt happened yet.

Some will penetrate into the kingdom realm...the saints. Some will remain humble and not claim anything...these are the righteous of the nations. We don't hear from them so much in these discussions because they are meek...and apparently will inherit the Earth. ;)

I like helping people, just not swimming in sewage. My first plumbing job, they put me right on the sewage crew. Today I can plumb a house from underground to rooftop. So one time I snuck over to the HVAC shop because we all know that the A/C guys gots ots more respect than Plumbers. The HVAC guys are the "smart ones", they know where the red wire goes? Lol.

I tink we're really talking about the Millenium. After the rature is the great trib and when Jesus reruens he will have all His saints with Him, and touch down on the Mt of Olives and take care of business...and then, the Millenium. What then? Jesus restores the earth back to like the Garden of Eden, the people are many on earth, some are mortals that lived through the GT and some are Immortal human (Saints) that are ruling with Jesus. And Jesus is going to show us how it was supposed to be for 1000 years.

I figure that many will grow their own food, except those who live in cities doing other types of work. And the Meek? They get all the good Jobs! Commerce will have to continue. There will be trade. Those living in cities are going to be coming to the Farmers Market! And the mortals who live on the earth at that time will live to be 800, 900, maybe 1000 years old again!
And all the animals will be friendly again! Wow...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Because it is Prophesied to occur (Ephesians 4:13, Malachi 3:16-18)... Not to be confused by the false ecumenical movement that has Jesus Rejectors unifying with the church. It is my Belief that mankind had to descend into the pride of denominationalism in order to overcome that pride in men by the Spirit.

Yes, this will happen when the church is ressurected.

Although I do not see this in Episkopos teaching, My view is that there are different rewards.... Controversial are my opinions here, But I think the Bride gets one reward, the saints another, and the chosen another.... Three groups here....
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. (Revelation 17:14)

Some see one I see three here....
The faithful are the Bride, the chosen are the 144k of Israel, the Called are the saints. Each has a different reward.

As Believers we are all on the road to being saints, But many are called few are chosen... this choice is of God... Of divine Lot. We must make our calling and election sure. This is the big mistake of Protestantism in general is saying all believers are saints... We are all atoned for by the grace of God, and sanctified instantly but not all of us finish the race let alone are called for to make the saintly sacrifice.... Most in fact will die of natural causes among the faithful and be a part of the Bride.... The saints are God's army and execute his judgment in the end.... There will be an accelerated time of the saints soon to come to fulfillment (I.E. Fifth seal being complete and the number therein fulfilled.)

Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers[fn] should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been. (Revelation 6:9, ESV) (Note I used the ESV because of the numerical aspect of this verse in the translation)

And to her (The Bride) was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. (Revelation 19:8)

So What I say is the Big error in Protestantism in general, that has led to the endless division and denominationalism, a failure to distinguish faithful and the saints.... The faithful are determined by "whomsoever will" (Arminian) and The saints by divine election (Calvin) While opposed to one another in their pride of men they both err in denying each other in the unity of the Spirit. The Higher walk is a not salvation, and vice versa and the scripture speaking of salvation by grace are not divine election Hence the confusion and denominationalism. When a person says I am of Apollus I am of Paul they do not see this.... because all growth is from God. Paul planted Apollus watered....

Consider this before you accuse me of being a catholic or something.... I condemn the veneration and prayers to the saints and paying of indulgences.... I Just believe the reformers threw the baby out with the bathwater when they failed to distinguish between the faithful and the saints in scripture, the direct result is denominationalism and division.

yes. Those who are SAVED get rewards.

EPI teaches the reward is getting saved

 

[MA2444]

Sorry I drifted there. But it says in scripture, do not be found naked...

It also says that the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. So that is how we get our clothes now, that we will wear in Heaven later.

I just don't want the plumber uniform.

 

[David H.]

And Paul McCartney is not a real Beatle, the myth says....

So, What else you got, to pretend that you know what you are talking about, @David H. ?

You pretend you know it all.... I Know nothing save Christ and Him crucified.... That is when the Spirit can begin to teach you the truth of the Word of God.... I recommend you try it instead of spouting off your doctrines of men continually, which quench the work of the Spirit in you. Be Holy Spirit taught and not man taught.... You might learn something.... Perhaps the Mystery of the fellowship...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. (Revelation 12:11) We overcome Satan this way, Christ overcame Satan on the cross, now it is our turn.... Do You not see this? Plain as day to me

• 1 John 5:4
  For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.5
  Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

 

[MA2444]

EPI teaches the reward is getting saved

In a way I can agree. If you have ever felt the presence of God....you would know that is the real reward! Dwelling in His presence...!!!

I can disagree with him on that for that reason.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You don't know what you are talking about...as per usual..and claiming I say things that are not true. Your one-track mind is unable to see anything beyond what a very superficial reading might get.

Walking in the Spirit is a salvation issue NOW if one wants to be saved from sin. However I have always maintained that the righteous do NOT walk in the Spirit but will inherit the nations. The ones who walk in the Spirit NOW are saints who will rule and reign with Christ over the righteous meek ones (the humble) who will populate the nations in eternity.

You are the trickster...bearing false witness...and outright lying. Fits you.

I rest my case.

You just proved me right my friend.

 

[David H.]

Yes, this will happen when the church is ressurected.

Strongly disagree here... this is the Laodicean mindset at work....

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Exactly, this is what I mean by I don't see this in what Episkopos is saying.

keep listening to him,

You will see it

He comes in the back door..

 

[David H.]

EPI teaches the reward is getting saved

I think he clarified this above well enough so I am going to have to disagree here too.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Strongly disagree here... this is the Laodicean mindset at work....

yes, we strongly disagree.

Nothing will be perfect in practice until the ressurection. You will find 1000 people. and non of them will agree 100% on everything

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sorry I drifted there. But it says in scripture, do not be found naked...

It also says that the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. So that is how we get our clothes now, that we will wear in Heaven later.

I just don't want the plumber uniform.

I don;t either

But I would rather be in heaven naked. then in hell fully clothed