Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author
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Steven, I have never accepted Universalism. I have decided to ignorantly, believe in what the bible describes about the Heavenly Realm.
So Jesus helped him, understand that the old testament was about himself? Cause I am not sure I do. That type of knowledge not only from the old testament, but from Jesus must have came in handy when he was studying his own bible back then in that day. Which lead forth to the spreading of the gospel to the genitles, :)
Behold
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- If wishes were horses... then beggars would ride.
So, as I was telling you.. You are a forum Troll, as proven by your Threads... = you are a Troll with no place else to go.
That's not going to change.
His own Bible? - LOL
No one owned a Bible back then.
Scrolls were kept at the synagogue. They weren't even allowed to touch the texts.
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Paul was from the tribe of Benjamin. He knew the scripture very well. Reputation of learning the scrolls helped him in producing also some of the letters that he had produced. Maybe he did not have a personal handy-dandy bible, but he did have extensive knowledge of the scripture, it would be intellectually dishonest to suggest that he had none whatsoever.
That is okay steven. I do not believe in Universalism, which says all roads lead right into the Kingdom of Heavenly Jerusalem. I believe that Jesus is the only way to the Father, for those who are seeking for truth.
Here's what you wrote that aligns with UR even if you don't realize it.
Right. "... a purging process perhaps of those who desire to come into the Kingdom..." Exactly.
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Steven, I am sorry to inform you. I do not believe in Universalism. Universalism suggests all ways leads to God, and that all people are going to straight in the Kingdom of Heavenly Jerusalem when they pass away from here. Do you see where the purging of fire, and the difference of unbelievers and believers in the heavenly realm make sense or does it confuse you?
Yes, I do believe in Reconciliationism, but not Universalism.
It's just tip for tap, on words however, there is a great difference between the two views.
I got a Thumbs-Up rating on my post. So, someone agreed with me.
Two or more witnesses...
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That is a misunderstanding about UR.
What is the difference?
I think you are misunderstanding the claims of UR. They align with what you are saying.
UR actually stands for Universal Reconciliation. Same as Reconciliationism.
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FYI - The idiom is "tit for tat".
tit for tat
noun
- Repayment in kind, as for an injury; retaliation.
- Equivalent retribution, an eye for an eye, returning exactly what you get.
- Hat.
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I do not believe it is. You can called it Christian universalism if you want to but still that doesn't make a difference. One will be need of Christ, and love for God and love for others, in order to get to the Father, by and because of the blood shed of Jesus.
I just simply believe in Reconciliationism (sorry it's a tip for tap for words again I know it can be frustrating), which pertains to God, and those in the afterlife, who remain out in the darkness, who come to the light, perhaps after a time, and suffering loss there, they may be able to enter into the Kingdom, and they will know Yeshua, and bow and confess. What little good that is left of them, they will go on to the Kingdom. That is my hope anyway.
As my 68 year old client, says I like to do things my way. I didn't wanna type tit on here.
Interesting that you would label me as a troll.
What are you doing on this topic?
I think there's a word for that. (hypocrite)
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Yes. Every knee will bow and every tongue acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Where?
Anyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).
Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4
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Yes, those scriptures exist. That is a great thing, when you explaining what you may pertain to thoughts of the afterlife, you will be able to share that there is still hope in the afterlife.
I do like revelation 21, and 22 and the details found inside.
“And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very valuable stone, like a stone of crystal-clear jasper. It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on the gates, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. There were three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west. And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. The one who spoke with me had a gold measuring rod to measure the city, its gates, and its wall. The city is laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width; and he measured the city with the rod, twelve thousand stadia; its length, width, and height are equal. And he measured its wall, 144 cubits, by human measurements, which are also angelic measurements. The material of the wall was jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. The foundation stones of the city wall were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation stone was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald; the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprase; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each one of the gates was a single pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass. I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed; and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”
Revelation 21:10-27 NASB2020
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“Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.”
Revelation 22:14-15 NASB2020
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, th | New American Standard Bible
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The city gates never close but there is a severe distinction between outside and inside of the Kingdom. It will be predicated on the persons decision, to seek God or not, and still is now today in this life, going through the holy spirit and fire baptism through christ, or the fire later which purges out the darkness within us today if one allows God in to work on the heart, and mind of an individual.
Awesome stuff there, Steve, good thing that either one us are able to read and use scripture help ones hope.
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CadyandZoe
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I was debunking a post. Quoted below.
- It's only been around since the fourth century.
- And not available in every language.
- And only readable by the literate.
Bibliolators like to exalt it above its utility.
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