Why do alot of Christian denominations have a problem with looking into the Past for the return of Christ?

[Keiw]

He has already came, is that not go enough for you.
What do you think Jesus will do in the second coming ? change what he said in the first at all ?

If one does not pick up on what Jesus was on about in the first, what hope has such a one have in the second ?
One must be lost now if you have not picked up on the first ?

What are you seeking ? something that you have problems with swallowing with what was said in the first ?
Such a one is only of little faith ?

But what of them who have the faith that can move mountains ? what do they need ? Nothing ! because they have it all and some people got to endure in that faith 2000 years ago and to this day ?

If one is seeking Jesus you are not truly found !
It's Jesus who finds you in fact ! you do not find him.

In the second coming no one has the free will to play along with this world ? That Jesus informed us that it was Full of Deceptions and Delusions ! So at the second coming, if you think you wish for such be careful ! because what you want or seek for is Satan comes first in fact, that is the Hellfire ! then everything is burnt up and nothing is left of this world for anyone to be under Delusions or deceptions, for they are all burnt up ! And not to mention who caused all the Hellfire ? it was you ! for rejecting Christ Jesus in fact ! Not putting Christ Jesus first and foremost in your life ! and if one is not willing to do that you are not Saved in fact, for if one was ? Christ Jesus would be in you and you in him period ! and what does that mean for a person who may live to the second coming ? Nothing regarding ones self at all in fact and what is that, well because once one is truly saved you are always Saved period ! regardless, so at the point that Jesus comes back ? is such a one going to be changed ? born again twice . No !
So why seek the second coming ? it's only because one is not truly Saved in fact !

There is an antidote for the Hellfire that is to come, Preach Christ Jesus to all and you will not have to go through the Hellfire or others will not have to go through the Hellfire.
Would a Real Christen want your loved ones to go through the Hell fire, or anyone in such a regard.
Well Bible clearly points out that we reap what we sow !

The BS that Satanist claim, that you will be raptured up ? so that you will not suffer ? is a delusion and a deception in fact ! so you will sit back and let such take place or hell to bring such Hellfire on, they who do not the will of Christ Jesus will be condemned in fact ! you can not do wrong in order to do what you think is right. Satanist only do such !

Rev 19:11--Jesus leads Gods armies to the earth at Armageddon, it has not occurred yet.

 

[Earburner]

@Earburner do you have any more questions?

Ref. Post 74:
Do you believe that in the day of Jesus visible and Glorious return from Heaven, in His Immortality, that the Grace of God's forgiveness of sin through Jesus will have ended at that time, or shall it continue?

 

[MatthewG]

Ref. Post 74:
Do you believe that in the day of Jesus visible and Glorious return from Heaven, in His Immortality, that the Grace of God's forgiveness of sin through Jesus will have ended at that time, or shall it continue?

The World has been reconciled to God. I do not personally believe I am going to see Jesus come like the first generation; however my hopeful expectancy is in death, onward. Yes, I believe Jesus said his return was a one time event never to be witnessed again.

 

[Earburner]

The World has been reconciled to God. I do not personally believe I am going to see Jesus come like the first generation; however my hopeful expectancy is in death, onward. Yes, I believe Jesus said his return was a one time event never to be witnessed again.

It is apparent that you and I HAVE appeared before the judgment seat of Christ.

In your life, do you know of any that have physically died, buy DID NOT "appear before Christ", to recieve the Gift of God's Gift of Eternal Life, through faith in Jesus? 1 John 5:12-13.

If so, then the judgment of condemnation remains upon them, as John 3:18 fully reveals.
For all of such, there are no second chances to come, and therefore have perished for all eternity.

 

[MatthewG]

It is apparent that you and I HAVE appeared before the judgment seat of Christ.

In your life, do you know of any that have physically died, buy DID NOT "appear before Christ", to recieve the Gift of God's Gift of Eternal Life, through faith in Jesus? 1 John 5:12-13.

If so, then the judgment of condemnation remains upon them, as John 3:18 fully reveals.
For all of such, there are no second chances to come, and therefore have perished for all eternity.

There are no second chances is an opinion. From what the bible teaches is the heavenly jerusalem has two parts, outside and inside with Gates never closing.

 

[Cassandra]

There are no second chances is an opinion. From what the bible teaches is the heavenly jerusalem has two parts, outside and inside with Gates never closing.

It is appointed man once to die and then the judgement.

God gives immortality to those who believe/ John 3:16/
Man is not immortal--he will die. Jesus saved us from the second death. Why did He even bother if there wasn't one? There is a second death.

 

[MatthewG]

It is appointed man once to die and then the judgement.

God gives immortality to those who believe/ John 3:16/
Man is not immortal--he will die. Jesus saved us from the second death. Why did He even bother if there wasn't one? There is a second death.

The last enemy to be put in to subjection is death. Jesus has conquered over spiritual death. He also by the holy spirit of God raising Jesus from the dead, showed that an afterlife did exist. Therefore because of Yeshua, all people will be risen from the dead, and those who are born again by the spirit today, build up spiritual treasures. Those who are faithless may not have faith; however Gods faithfulness in his desire and heart are for all to come to the knowledge of his son. That is why my amazement the kingdom of God is one of open gates that never shut, calling forth to those in the afterlife who are outside the kingdom. Of course its all conjecture.

 

[Cassandra]

Ye shall surely die.
There is an afterlife for those who believe.

There is a second death for those who do not.
Jesus died the second death so we wouldn't have to.

 

[MatthewG]

Ye shall surely die.
There is an afterlife for those who believe.

There is a second death for those who do not.
Jesus died the second death so we wouldn't have to.

You are more than free to believe what you will. When those terms come up, sometimes people just leave it as it is. Perhaps the second death is like dying to self, in the afterlife. I do believe the lake of fire that people part take is coming from God and it is something able to purge through the hearts that exist in the aftetlife. God, in my opinion, will have all resurrected.

If a persons decides to read revelation 21, 22. They will see faithless people standing outside the gates, if the fire comes from God, I wonder how hard it would be for a person who rejected God in this life, to accept his love in the afterlife.

My imagination would suggest they would lose something; however its all conjecture. Just as with just leaving second death, the way it is. Jesus overcame death. He holds the keys to the death, and the hades. Hades and death have been done away with. God is able to have his victory; and while I dont know why I see the second death the way I do; it may be because we become dead the the things of sin, and to become alive in Christ as were as a faithless person that does not; doesnt die to themselves and pick up the cross.

Love God and his ways and his desires of his heart, man can always just mess that up, all the best Cassandra.

 

[Cassandra]

What i don't get with "your people dont have sin, but still have darkness stuff", where did the darkness come from? Adam didn't have darkness, did he? No. He was perfect until sin. Jesus covers our sin, but you , lets face it, have to come up with some reason why people are still evil, so you have chosen that we all have a little darkness. I don't know where you get this, or that the world is reconciled to God, when all you have to do is turn on the tv, or even look out the window to see that isn't true.
I just think you are tied to your belief, --have you any converts here? I bet not.

 

[Cassandra]

You are more than free to believe what you will.

Of course I am free to. Can you answer me why Jesus had to die?

If a persons decides to read revelation 21, 22. They will see faithless people standing outside the gates, if the fire comes from God, I wonder how hard it would be for a person who rejected God in this life, to accept his love in the afterlife.

I'm sure everyone who has posted here has read those chapters. They don't have an afterlife. it is over for them. That is why He tells them Depart into everlasting fire.

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Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:8


But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Revelation 2:11


He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’
Revelation 20:6


Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Source: 5 Bible verses about The Second Death

 

[MatthewG]

Of course I am free to. Can you answer me why Jesus had to die?

To restore the world back to the way it was in the Garden of Eden. Before Jesus came, there was not such a personal connection with God as he dwells in believers today. After Jesus came, he made a decision to do the will of God, and gave up his life; for the Love of his father, and the love of all the world. All sins are paid for, from past to future, making people clean slates.

Whether or not they have faith or not is up to the individual themselves.

Jesus is the one says there is a resurrection, of those who are condemned and those of life.

Therefore the inclusivity of your message is what I disagree with.

I'm sure everyone who has posted here has read those chapters. They don't have an afterlife. it is over for them. That is why He tells them Depart into everlasting fire.

Well thats not what the chapter says in 21. It seems to make it clear that there are faithless people outside the gates of the city. They have some type of life, whether or not you believe God grants them that in the afterlife is up to you. None of us have been there yet, there is only glimpses in my opinion however. The chapters are in need of both of each other for a fuller picture.

I believe people may a choice to go into this fire. You have not explained to me how you see the fire other than what translates to them all just being erased, in my opinion.

What i don't get with "your people dont have sin, but still have darkness stuff", where did the darkness come from? Adam didn't have darkness, did he? No. He was perfect until sin. Jesus covers our sin, but you , lets face it, have to come up with some reason why people are still evil, so you have chosen that we all have a little darkness. I don't know where you get this, or that the world is reconciled to God, when all you have to do is turn on the tv, or even look out the window to see that isn't true.
I just think you are tied to your belief, --have you any converts here? I bet not.

In the beginning when God created, he created light and separated the light from the darkness. I look at the bible as a whole. Seeing Jesus and his victory over all things.

Eve, was tempted by her own thought which was against the light, choosing though the fruit was good for wisdom, to go ahead and partake and excluded going to God before doing so, after the observer came to her.

All us have darkness inside of us. Jesus even makes it clear.


Matthew 6:
But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

 

[MatthewG]

I just think you are tied to your belief, --have you any converts here? I bet not.

Not looking to convert anyone. As far as I know people who come to this website in someway or forum desire a connection with a being higher then themselves and seek God out in faith. When it comes to beliefs, its all personal and subjective between the individual and God. There are people who will take advantage of others, be it in a church, or in a cult which makes the focus on the leader and not the true Leader, following Christ.

Hope that helps you.

There is nothing wrong being rooted and standing firm in faith and trusting Yahava in getting his hearts will and desire (which some would say if you do not listen to me ; you are not even worthy of being saved by God). Being rooted in faith is what has to be placed first; loving God with all your heart, mind, strength, soul. And loving your neighbor as yourself.

With there being so many different ways of looking at things, its always good to study in my opinion and those who do so, seeking God diligently will be rewarded in my best guess, is spiritual wisdom, and spiritual blessing (Jesus speaking the beautitudes to his disciples, as the crowd finally gathered and met up with them on the mount of olive.)

 

[Jack]

Mattew is the one who said "Yeshua BECAME the Lord God Almighty".

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for everyone who has taken time to read, and to post.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It seems to me as though Jesus promised to come back within a generation which would witness the things he promised to foretell to his chosen disciples, however people decide to make Revelation for us today? Now please do not get me wrong, there are many things within the bible to investigate and to go through, the biggest problem mainly I suppose comes with if Jesus already came back now what? What is there left to do but for Yahava to decide if one will allow him to work in their life, all while having faith that Yeshua has indeed overcame all things which he promised he would end up taking care of, such as death, satan, the beast, the false prophet, hades, and of course sin once and for all on the cross. Some believe that this measure doesn't measure out to those who do not have faith - but Yahava has faith, therefore if Yahava has faith, and that what Jesus said was true all would be raised either to resurrection of life, or condemnation, he is unable to get that all with the heavenly kingdom being established and those who die from this life to that life, are resurrected and placed where they belong with God or without God.

Why do people have such a problem with this? Is due to their outlook on seeing all these things unfold in our generation today, when it was for a generation of a time that would be so great no other time would compare to what would come about when Yeshua would return and was seen by those of faith and taken and establishing the heavenly kingdom above?

Overall I believe by faith Jesus had came and taken his bride, - its just a subjective take compared to what most denominations preach today.

Once again I don't know what you mean by "subjective." Either it happened or it didn't happen. The return of Jesus will be objectively true and he hasn't returned yet.

 

[MatthewG]

Once again I don't know what you mean by "subjective." Either it happened or it didn't happen. The return of Jesus will be objectively true and he hasn't returned yet.

Okay, thank you for commenting and once again noting you do not understand what being "subjective" means.

From my perspective, I subjectively choose on the topic of Jesus having returned was based on the truth which Jesus proclaimed to the generation at that time, which He would come and get his bride. I believe all this by faith and that it is and was true for Jesus have done, otherwise he would have failed in his promises to be coming back then in that day in age.

If that doesn't help, not sure I would be very much help in helping you, sir.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Okay, thank you for commenting and once again noting you do not understand what being "subjective" means.

From my perspective, I subjectively choose on the topic of Jesus having returned was based on the truth which Jesus proclaimed to the generation at that time, which He would come and get his bride. I believe all this by faith and that it is and was true for Jesus have done, otherwise he would have failed in his promises to be coming back then in that day in age.

If that doesn't help, not sure I would be very much help in helping you, sir.

I have an understanding of the term "subjective," but I'm not certain what you mean by it. It appears that you're suggesting that your beliefs aren't rooted in truth or facts, but are instead shaped by your personal emotions and preferences. Is my interpretation correct?

Maybe I misunderstood your point earlier. It's possible that you intend to convey something different. It could be that you're trying to say: "The views expressed in my post are solely my personal opinion, not backed by any scholarly research or expertise in scriptural analysis."

I am having trouble understanding your statement. It seems like you are discussing a mindset or behavior that hinders the comprehension of Biblical truth. Our beliefs should not be rooted in personal emotions or preferences. For example, individuals who embrace religious universalism reject the God of the Bible in favor of a deity of their own creation, based on their emotions towards the concept. They often say things such as, "I cannot accept the idea of a god who would engage in 'X,' where 'X' represents any behavior or mindset that violates their personal ethical standards."

It is important to understand that our beliefs are not based on our feelings, but rather on objective truth. Despite what you may have heard, faith is not a mere belief in the absence of reason or facts. It is also not the same as gullibility, which is what you seem to be implying. Whenever someone says, "I believe all this by faith," it generally means they have no actual reasons for what they believe, and they simply prefer their beliefs over what may actually be the truth. It is important to base our beliefs on objective truth and sound reasoning rather than mere preference or feeling.

Now, I admit that I am unsure what you are saying and of course, if none of this applies to what you were saying, then please forgive me.

 

[MatthewG]

I have an understanding of the term "subjective," but I'm not certain what you mean by it. It appears that you're suggesting that your beliefs aren't rooted in truth or facts, but are instead shaped by your personal emotions and preferences. Is my interpretation correct?

Maybe I misunderstood your point earlier. It's possible that you intend to convey something different. It could be that you're trying to say: "The views expressed in my post are solely my personal opinion, not backed by any scholarly research or expertise in scriptural analysis."

I am having trouble understanding your statement. It seems like you are discussing a mindset or behavior that hinders the comprehension of Biblical truth. Our beliefs should not be rooted in personal emotions or preferences. For example, individuals who embrace religious universalism reject the God of the Bible in favor of a deity of their own creation, based on their emotions towards the concept. They often say things such as, "I cannot accept the idea of a god who would engage in 'X,' where 'X' represents any behavior or mindset that violates their personal ethical standards."

It is important to understand that our beliefs are not based on our feelings, but rather on objective truth. Despite what you may have heard, faith is not a mere belief in the absence of reason or facts. It is also not the same as gullibility, which is what you seem to be implying. Whenever someone says, "I believe all this by faith," it generally means they have no actual reasons for what they believe, and they simply prefer their beliefs over what may actually be the truth. It is important to base our beliefs on objective truth and sound reasoning rather than mere preference or feeling.

Now, I admit that I am unsure what you are saying and of course, if none of this applies to what you were saying, then please forgive me.

That sucks. It was simple and direct. Im out of bounds on helping. Its alright though. :) Its more of a personal issue you seem to have. I don’t rely on my feelings all that much.I simply believe Jesus and his promise to come back to that generation. It doesnt effect my life or anything already believing Jesus came, having hope in a lviing God who desires all to come to him and know the truth about his Son, and for people to become adopted into the Kingdom and become his children. Jesus and his victory overall things is something that is personally embraced in faith.

“Faith shows the reality of what we hope for; it is the evidence of things we cannot see. Through their faith, the people in days of old earned a good reputation. By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.”
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Faith shows the reality of what we hope for; it is the evidence of things we cannot see. Through their faith, the people in days of old earned a good reputation. By faith we understand that the entire

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[MatthewG]

By faith and a held belief in Jesus returning for his bride - its all through the gospel and the letters.

Some believe; hope; expect to see Jesus come back. That way they can get out of the world and finally find rest forever. They hope that this world will be destroyed, and they hope death upon wicked people.

Objectively - this was going to be the wrat of God poured out on those who killed his Son and continued their evil deeds placing burdens, and worshipping idols in secret, when the great trib. All the tribes which were of the Faith would see the Son of Man come to get them. Which was a promise through the Gospel and the letters.

Revelation spoke of a time coming wuickly and without delay. And Jesus came and got His bride. The Kingdom had been established and the old way of doing material religion was pumpled to the groud just as Jesus promised.


Now whether or not you see these things as viable or that it has any value that is overlying topic concerning Jesus and his return:


There was no 1000 literal years on top of that is been 2000 years; to hold that concept as viable could be a progative one may enjoy endeavours in.