WWJD with LGBTQ?

[St. SteVen]

As paul said, the law was a schoolmaster to lead us to christ.

This is how I remember it. The law was our schoolmaster UNTIL Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
(but gentiles never were under the law that God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses)

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

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[Eternally Grateful]

This is how I remember it. The law was our schoolmaster UNTIL Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
(but gentiles never were under the law that God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses)

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

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What if faith never comes for a person.. are they freed from the Gaurdian, or are they still under it?

 

[St. SteVen]

What if faith never comes for a person.. are they freed from the Gaurdian, or are they still under it?

Some people foolishly choose to be under it.

Not "faith", "this faith", that Jesus brought for EVERYONE.
Jesus was the end of the law, he set it aside on the cross. (Romans 10:4/Ephesians 2:15)

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

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[St. SteVen]

What if faith never comes for a person.. are they freed from the Gaurdian, or are they still under it?

Have you seen this topic?
I think it is important to understand the difference between these things.
I see conflicting statements about the law on the forum all the time.

Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

- What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L) - What's the difference between the law and God's law? - What's the difference between the law, God's law, and Christ's law? The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things. Agree, or disagree? Points...

www.christianityboard.com

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[Lizbeth]

1 Timothy only has six chapters.
I know that much. - LOL

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Typo. 1 Tim 1:8 Here I'll post the passage for you:

1Ti 1:7-11

Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

(And please notice there what is contrary to sound doctrine, contrary to the gospel. Man-made Christianity, ie, false gospels, will not save souls.....Jesus came to show us the Way to be where He is, while ways that only seemeth right to man only lead to death.)

 

[Lizbeth]

That is what it says in 1 Tim 8. But you would need ears to hear to understand. (I guess I shouldn't be surprised you don't know the scriptures very well, though maybe it's because you are young, or haven't known the Lord very long, if you do.)

Well whatever your age I perceive you still have great need of milk....if only you would stop spitting it up.

 

[St. SteVen]

Typo. 1 Tim 1:8 Here I'll post the passage for you:

1Ti 1:7-11

Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

(And please notice there what is contrary to sound doctrine, contrary to the gospel. Man-made Christianity, ie, false gospels, will not save souls.....Jesus came to show us the Way to be where He is, while ways that only seemeth right to man only lead to death.)

Thanks. That helps.

So, what does it mean to use the law lawfully? (properly)
It also says the law is not made for the righteous, but for the lawless.
Does that mean it is for you, or not for you?
Are you lawless, or righteous?

Furthermore, what do mean by "the law"? How do you define the term?
Have you seen my topic on the subject?

Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

- What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L) - What's the difference between the law and God's law? - What's the difference between the law, God's law, and Christ's law? The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things. Agree, or disagree? Points...

www.christianityboard.com

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[St. SteVen]

Well whatever your age I perceive you still have great need of milk....if only you would stop spitting it up.

Don't be silly. - LOL
Just because I don't agree with you does not make me a babe in Christ.

Not to brag, but I have been a Christian for 60 years.
I was elected as a church Elder at a young age.
Been married for 44 years to my Christian wife.
I have read the Bible cover to cover. I used to teach adult Sunday School.
Have been in prison ministry. Have been overseas on a missions trip.
Served in worship ministry for 30+ years. Shall I continue?

Currently reexamining my religious upbringing.
Much to your displeasure, obviously.

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[St. SteVen]

New topic available. (shameless self-promotion)

Is the ability to procreate the only requirement for the "model" marriage?

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[Eternally Grateful]

Some people foolishly choose to be under it.

Not "faith", "this faith", that Jesus brought for EVERYONE.
Jesus was the end of the law, he set it aside on the cross. (Romans 10:4/Ephesians 2:15)

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

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That we MIGHT be justified BY FAITH

It does not say we will be justified

And justified comes through faith.

Until a person comes to faith. they are under the law.. to expose their sin and lead them to christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm afraid she or he is not talking gospel, just more of what seemeth right to man. The gospel is about finding God and we losing ourselves for His sake. It's not about finding self or fulfilling self, it's about denying self and dying to self. I wonder where does "the old man is crucified with Christ" fit into some folks' supposed Christianity? "No longer I who lives but Christ who lives in me"...? Is Christ LGBTQ then? or a thief or a fornicator? Heavens no!

Exactly dear sister . DID JESUS identify WITH SIN . Then why would any who name HIS name have done such a thing .
IT is the world that identifies with sin . Not the church . Jesus is not the Minsitir of sin .
He did not come so that sin could now be glorified , no longer seen as sin but as good .
Rather HE came to wake us out of that ol sleep of death . Jesus does not indentify nor glorfiy any sin .
HE came to SAVE SINNERS not to JUSTIFY SIN .
If CHRIST lives in us and it is HE who works in us , then why do many , IN HIS NAME , try rather to JUSTIFY SIN
See JESUS is at work in the lambs and HE WORKES IN us that which is WELL PLEASING TO GOD .
SIN AINT and never has been WELL pleasing to GOD . And it never will be either .
Through guise of another love , a false tolerance , the image of Christ and of GOD has been trod under foot .
And another image of another god has replaced it . The god who sets not the captives free , rather he justifies
the acts and deeds of the ungodly . WHO YOU THINK would have done such a thing .
WHO would have and does desire all worship and to be as GOD . SATAN .
And how did we all once worship him , THROUGH THE LUSTS of our flesh we had our convestation
with the prince of the air , the wicked one . SO yeah that is how he works .
THROUGH the lusts of the flesh . This age is in dire , dire trouble .
If you will examine you will see exactly what has happened .
THROUGH this other image , this other love
what has occurred . WELL the GOD of the bible , the JESUS CHRIST of the bible
that doctrine , TODAY to many that appears to be satan and hate to them .
AND the devil mentioned in scripture seems to be their love god . Satan is deceptive
and he knows how to use words and to twist them to serve HIM . Folks this gen is in dire trouble
and it only gets worse and worse . As the pharisees once accused JESUS of having a devil
so now even many within the very realm called christendom call the true lambs devils and haters .
BIBLE TIME . as i know you already know this dear sister . The lambs shall do exploits
the wise shall understand but the wicked will not understand . We must point to CHRIST and all sound doctrine .
Those who have ears to hear , those who are of GOD will hear the TRUTH , the others will not .
The SPIRIT o TRUTH , THE SPIRIT of error . Stay well planted in the doctrine sister and let us all be in prayer
and point only to CHRIST and all sound doctrine .

 

[amigo de christo]

As paul said, the law was a schoolmaster to lead us to christ.

The law is holy just and good . like paul even says . The law does show us that all indeed are sinners
and that all need THE SAVOIR .
IT can also be used for correction . NOT JUSTIFICATION . but for correction .
Folks better be on guard . Notice steven says the LAW is not good .
SO now he says what GOD once gave to MOSES is NOT GOOD . May as well be saying GOD gave out evil .
WRONG again . The fault was not on GOD but on them .
For finding fault with THEM HE said i will make a new covenant .
JESUS CHRIST . due to the flesh of man the law could not be fulliflled , not in the way THAT GOD DESIRES .
JESUS he overcame all things . HE overcame and did what man could not .
NOW the lambs have all hope . And by the SPIRIT we can walk righteously as GOD desires .
FOR the grace of GOD teaches us to walk righteously , etc .
The law was glorious , but in comparious to CHRIST JESUS the GLORY OF HIM has surpassed it all .
The glory that is done away by the GLORY which was to come . FAR greater glory in CHRIST JESUS .
But the law was not the problem , THE FLESH is the problem . For finding fault with THEM
The flesh was and is weak . THE SPIRIT giveth life and power and the ability , the new heart .
The problem with most is they want to JUSTIFY SIN so they have to make the law seem evil .
THEY MAKE VOID the LAW through what they call grace . THAT AINT GRACE .
in other words they preach a grace that now calls certain sins and trangressions GOOD .
And that AINT GRACE . That aint LOVE , and it aint coming FROM GOD EITHER .
Love fullfills the righteousness of the law . Let us always remember that .

 

[amigo de christo]

No ears to hear? That's sad. How about you tell me what those scriptures are saying then...don't just ignore them. You must not have heard what I said about being kind and compassionate either.


Was he marrying a woman? If not, then fine and so what? But if he was marrying a man then I will just point out what Paul wrote about those in the church who were self-righteously accepting a man having his father's wife....that they were in pride (aka self-righteous).


So....? What does that have to do with those scrips? Whoever said you can't hug sinners? As I said, you don't have ears to hear, and therefore are not understanding. Never mind, Jesus was always similarly being misunderstood and falsely accused by those who had no ears to hear. You don't seem to have any regard for the word of God, and I'm about done here.

and as HE hugs them do notice he accepts the sin . go back and look at his other posts .
SO he says HE is the hand and feet of CHRIST , but JESUS HIMSELF CORRECTED SIN and this man DOES NOT
THEY think they have the LOVE of GOD . This is the result of the madness that crept into the churches
under guise that it was love , that it was good , that it was of GOD and it was NOT .
DID JESUS, after having exposed her accusers , tell that lady , NOW BE PROUD OF YOUR SIN , YOU are an ADULTERESS CHRISTAIN
NOPE . HE strictly warned her NOW GO and SIN NO MORE .
YET steven and others justify even those who say loudly I Am PROUD TO BE QUEER .
you can see rigth through the facade sister . THEY come only to try and convince us to accept SIN .
Its not about winning anyone to GOD , to CHRIST its all about getting the church to try and accept homosexuality .
And they always do it little by little . leaven leavens . Steven will do all to make us seem as though we are the haters
and the monsters . But he has long forgotten , OR TRULY NEVER KNEW
YE SHALL NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way rebuke , correct them and not ALLOW sin upon them .
THEY HATE . not us . THEY hate . they leave peoples in the darkness of sin to believe a lie
that GOD himself is fine with their sin . BUT THAT is a lie and the end of sin is death .
THERE IS NO LOVE IN THEM sister . NOT THE LOVE OF GOD . its the love of the world that is upon them .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Exactly dear sister . DID JESUS identify WITH SIN . Then why would any who name HIS name have done such a thing .
IT is the world that identifies with sin . Not the church . Jesus is not the Minsitir of sin .
He did not come so that sin could now be glorified , no longer seen as sin but as good .
Rather HE came to wake us out of that ol sleep of death . Jesus does not indentify nor glorfiy any sin .
HE came to SAVE SINNERS not to JUSTIFY SIN .
If CHRIST lives in us and it is HE who works in us , then why do many , IN HIS NAME , try rather to JUSTIFY SIN
See JESUS is at work in the lambs and HE WORKES IN us that which is WELL PLEASING TO GOD .
SIN AINT and never has been WELL pleasing to GOD . And it never will be either .
Through guise of another love , a false tolerance , the image of Christ and of GOD has been trod under foot .
And another image of another god has replaced it . The god who sets not the captives free , rather he justifies
the acts and deeds of the ungodly . WHO YOU THINK would have done such a thing .
WHO would have and does desire all worship and to be as GOD . SATAN .
And how did we all once worship him , THROUGH THE LUSTS of our flesh we had our convestation
with the prince of the air , the wicked one . SO yeah that is how he works .
THROUGH the lusts of the flesh . This age is in dire , dire trouble .
If you will examine you will see exactly what has happened .
THROUGH this other image , this other love
what has occurred . WELL the GOD of the bible , the JESUS CHRIST of the bible
that doctrine , TODAY to many that appears to be satan and hate to them .
AND the devil mentioned in scripture seems to be their love god . Satan is deceptive
and he knows how to use words and to twist them to serve HIM . Folks this gen is in dire trouble
and it only gets worse and worse . As the pharisees once accused JESUS of having a devil
so now even many within the very realm called christendom call the true lambs devils and haters .
BIBLE TIME . as i know you already know this dear sister . The lambs shall do exploits
the wise shall understand but the wicked will not understand . We must point to CHRIST and all sound doctrine .
Those who have ears to hear , those who are of GOD will hear the TRUTH , the others will not .
The SPIRIT o TRUTH , THE SPIRIT of error . Stay well planted in the doctrine sister and let us all be in prayer
and point only to CHRIST and all sound doctrine .

I would not even use it for correction. I would get to the root of the issue..which is a lack of love or pride

 

[amigo de christo]

I would not even use it for correction. I would get to the root of the issue..which is a lack of love or pride

Then you are using it already. God speaks against pride . That is how its used .
I do understand what you are saying . It is BOTH . a lack of love and pride

 

[amigo de christo]

I would not even use it for correction. I would get to the root of the issue..which is a lack of love or pride

The love of the world has been pushed in and is now being taught as though it is the LOVE OF GOD .
BUT IT AINT . IT IS OF THE WORLD . Satan knew exactly what he was a doing when he crept into so many places .
One can hear his men saying , GOD IS LOVE , but then use another version of love to bring
them under .....................DARKNESS . If the LIGHT that be in one is darkness , THEN GREAT is that darkness .
IF the LOVE that be in one is OF THE WORLD , THEN IT IS OF DARKNESS and COMETH NOT OF GOD
but rather as HE who can appear as an angel of light yet IS DARKNESS .
HIT THE TRENCHES the false senusal love that cometh of the world and allures the flesh has ARISEN MASSIVE
within many churches . The lambs wont HEED IT . OUR LOVE cometh of GOD and that love actually WOULD LOVE TRUTH
not sin and lies . Hit the trenches we are truly witnessing a massive delusion under guise that it is love
taking captive many right to a lie and unto the father of lies . AND THEY THINK ITS GOD .
Continue in the doctrine the lambs have learned in the scriptures .

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Ignoring the OP and the commentary there and what would Jesus do about this?

First. Yes Jesus did mix it up with sinners. As I recall though and am not going to go post verses Jesus usually told those... especially one on one....Paraphrasing.... I am not condemning you but go and sin no more.

NOW

I cannot express the importance of this and how my generation brought out into the open from the closet generation of my folks the idea of if it feels good do it and sex feels good.

and there is no condemnation of what you want to do because that was the "hippy" mantra of that day.

That is why people were either shocked or admired Madonna's coffee table book of pictures of all things sex
and YES>>>With Animals too ... and then before each concert she and her people would stand in a circle and pray thanks to God for what they had.

Then... Let us not forget... if you are old enough... married Elvis, leaving a concert in Vegas in the back of a limo being filmed and him laughing and saying "She gave me the best h___ I ever had" All the while very much into all things God as well as mystical ends.

And the unmarried LGTBQ walking up to the front of the church for their Holy Communion.


WTF (no apologies) is wrong with people and not understanding that it is not just LGTBQ Trannys but all unmarried people not abiding by the abstinence that was right out of God's mouth .

PEOPLE... IF HE THOUGHT fornication was a big no no.... what do you think he would think of Sodomy ?
If He condemned the unnatural use of the body.... What would Jesus say His Daddy would think?

LGTBQRSTUV-trannys I feel sorry for because I, as an unmarried woman know the temptations that can make someone stumble. But I HAVE to live without..... I have never been married..... and they need to come to terms
and live as asexually as they can.

 

[St. SteVen]

Until a person comes to faith. they are under the law.. to expose their sin and lead them to christ.

Why would anyone (especially a gentile) be UNDER the law that God gave only to the Israelites through Moses?

John 1:17 NIV
For the law was given through Moses;
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

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[Eternally Grateful]

Why would anyone (especially a gentile) be UNDER the law that God gave only to the Israelites through Moses?

John 1:17 NIV
For the law was given through Moses;
grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

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The law was given to expose sin.

do Gentiles sin?

 

[amigo de christo]

The law was given to expose sin.

do Gentiles sin?

This has been my point all along . THEY ARE TRYING to make void the law through grace .
IN other words , when it says man shall not lie with man , THEY ARE SAYING no such words apply to us
THEY are justifyin SIN . they are using grace TO DO SO .
YET what does the true grace of GOD do . TEACHES US TO DENY ALL UNGODLINESS ,
yet they use grace to rather JUSTIFY sins , well certain sins especially . THIS WONT bode well on the day of the LORD .
But LORD , LORD didnt we gather under pope francis and the all inclusive love and do many good works
and we hugged many people , we held rainbows and fed the poor .
YET JUSTIFIED SIN and many paths to GOD . they worked inquity . THEY DID NOT KNOW HIM .
Another love that cometh of the world and of the dragon is what many now love and do serve .
IT HONORS the FLESH , uncleaniness , abominations . THIS THE LOVE OF GOD WOULD NOT DO .