Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

[ewq1938]

Exactly my point.

Rev 13
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

That is personification, not evidence of a person. My car is a she, but not a person. Beast is in the neuter form in Greek in the chp and that is usually translated as a male pronoun. Citing "him" as proof that there is a male person there shows your lack of the Greek language.

 

[The Light]

That is personification, not evidence of a person. My car is a she, but not a person. Beast is in the neuter form in Greek in the chp and that is usually translated as a male pronoun. Citing "him" as proof that there is a male person there shows your lack of the Greek language.

You make me laugh and shake my head. I am unaware of a kingdom that opens his mouth and blasphemes God.

 

[ewq1938]

You make me laugh and shake my head. I am unaware of a kingdom that opens his mouth and blasphemes God.

Personification is a literary device in which human characteristics are figuratively applied to inanimate objects or abstractions1. It is a figure of speech that attributes human characteristics to something that is not human, including abstract qualities2. Personification allows writers to create life and motion within inanimate objects, animals, and even abstract ideas by assigning them recognizable human behaviors and emotions3. It is a poetic literary device commonly used to give non-living things human traits4

 

[Brakelite]

Yet there is still a greater Antichrist than the papacy. A pope is just a flesh man, and can only be one of the "many antichrists" workers for the real Antichrist.

The Antichrist isn't one Pope. It's impossible for one individual within one short period of modern time to meet all the criteria that scripture provides by which we may accurately identify the Antichrist. So you really suppose that God has left His dearly beloved church to rely on guesswork and clairvoyance in order to identify their greatest enemy bar Satan? I ask that because that is what the modern church is relying on.. Futurism is guesswork. It offers nothing by way of truth and scriptural foundational principles as evidence to identify anyone. My pays above regarding the ministry of Christ are but a brief introduction... Which you already are arguing with.

 

[ewq1938]

Futurism is guesswork. It offers nothing by way of truth and scriptural foundational principles as evidence to identify anyone.

So you oppose prophecy? A good portion of the bible is prophecy, which is futurism by definition.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

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Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
Total KJV occurrences: 30

A lambkin is the young child form of an adult lamb and this it's horns are "little".

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two LITTLE horns of a YOUNG lamb, and he spake as a dragon.


That should automatically make someone think of the little horn in Daniel.

Thanks. I'll have to put my thinking cap on and try to figure out by whats going on in the world right now who that could be.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The Antichrist isn't one Pope. It's impossible for one individual within one short period of modern time to meet all the criteria that scripture provides by which we may accurately identify the Antichrist. So you really suppose that God has left His dearly beloved church to rely on guesswork and clairvoyance in order to identify their greatest enemy bar Satan? I ask that because that is what the modern church is relying on.. Futurism is guesswork. It offers nothing by way of truth and scriptural foundational principles as evidence to identify anyone. My pays above regarding the ministry of Christ are but a brief introduction... Which you already are arguing with.

There was a prophet back in the 800's if my memory is serving me right that counted the popes even down to what they were like to be something like 141 popes. Anyway this pope the Catholic Church has right now is that number. The 141st, so is the last pope. You could probably google it to find out if you were interested. I may tomorrow. I'm going to bed now.

 

[The Light]

Personification is a literary device in which human characteristics are figuratively applied to inanimate objects or abstractions1. It is a figure of speech that attributes human characteristics to something that is not human, including abstract qualities2. Personification allows writers to create life and motion within inanimate objects, animals, and even abstract ideas by assigning them recognizable human behaviors and emotions3. It is a poetic literary device commonly used to give non-living things human traits4

I realize that you won't be able see, but I'll post the undeniable scripture anyway.

It's a man, not a kingdom. There are 7 kings.......five fallen, one is, and one is yet to come. And the beast that was and is not is an eighth and is of the seven.

Rev 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

I am amazed that you can't see this. It baffles me. Some have eyes to see, and some don't. That is the only reasonable conclusion.

 

[ewq1938]

It's a man, not a kingdom. There are 7 kings.......five fallen, one is, and one is yet to come. And the beast that was and is not is an eighth and is of the seven.

None of the heads are fallen or fell in the past. The beast has all 7 heads intact, and never has an 8th. The heads are land masses where ten major kingdoms will be established.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The dragon or Satan is in chapter 12.

Revelation 12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

But it is the dragon that gives

Revelation 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The beast of the sea is the Assyrian. He is the King of Babylon. He was and is not and will come again. He is the reason for Gulf war 2, not weapons of mass destruction...........that were never found.

I read up to and including chapter 11 last night, so I'll read 12 and 13 tonight. So thanks.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Don't stop your journey into that idea though, because it also happens in Ezekiel 28, Ezekiel 31, Isaiah 14, Isaiah 10, etc.

The distinguishing parameter is with God giving a comparison to something that is impossible for flesh man. For example, in the Ezekiel 28 chapter, God uses the flesh king of Tyrus title to point to Satan, because God points to that king having once been in His Garden of Eden, as an anointing cherub. It should be easy to grasp that God is not actually speaking of the 'flesh' king of Tyrus about that, but about Satan who was in God's Eden, and also is a heavenly being called a cherub.

Similar thing happens in Ezekiel 31, which starts off and ends as being a proverb to Pharaoh. But then into it, the Assyrian is mentioned. And at one point it states he was the Garden of Eden.

Ezekiel 28 I already know about. Here is something to think about that I just thought of. Did the Garden of Eden originate on earth at creation? Or did the garden and the trees originate in heaven and God brought it down to earth and put Adam and Eve in it as their first home? It's no longer on earth now but in heaven.

 

[amigo de christo]

If people would do a little unbiased homework they wouldn't misunderstand such simple verses.

1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that (THE) antichrist (Singular)shall come, even now are there many antichrists; (plural) whereby we know that it is the last time.

That verse has one word for antichrist that is singular, the other plural, and it wasn't translated correctly in the KJV. The verse actually reads in the Greek interlinear like this...

Little boys and girls, it is the last hour and according as ye hear that THE "instead-anointed" (antichrist) is coming and now many instead anointeds have become.....

Another blunder similar to this one is the 'thousand years' mentioned in Revelation 20 where 1,000 years is mentioned 6 times. When the article THE is used it implies a 'specific' (thing). In this case a literal 1,000 years. And in 1 John - a literal anti-Christ.

Over a dozen bible translations use the word 'the' (anti-Christ) in the translation of 1 John 2:18. Like the NIV does...

"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour."

I would actually interpret this verse like this, "Many antichrist have come, and the antichrist is coming, that's how you will know it's the last hour."

The translations that omit the word THE do so mistakenly and really do a disservice to the understanding of the verse. The 1611 translators omitted it BUT the article IS in the interlinear. As simple as dropping the word 'THE' usually isn't something that changes things very much, but in this case, and with this argument it does. In every aspect I study this, I never walk away believing this is only a plurality of anti-Christ, i.e. "many anti-Christ. Especially when personal pronouns are used to describe this man elsewhere.

Not only should we examine what anti christ is but what it does . What IS anti christ .
ANY MINDSET which gives the idea that one does not have to BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST to be saved .
Yeah lets examine what is of ANTI CHRIST .
He who denies JESUS is THE CHRIST , HE is a liar , he is anti christ .
SO the next time any man , woman or child or donkey or angel , or feeling , or voice
says OH mulims and etc worship the same GOD we do and say things like atheists too are saved by doing good .
IS A LIAR and of anti Christ . Cause the last time i checked THEY ALL DENY JESUS as the CHRIST .
SO NOW ya know where the all inclusive lovey do religoin to gather all religoins IS COMING FROM . ANTI CHRIST .
A lot of folks these days follow anti christ and its false love that saves none . LET all who name the name of
CHRIST , SIT NOT AT THAT FALSE table of false love . TRUE LOVE that cometh of GOD
would have warned men to BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST , and not rather given a false hope .

 

[amigo de christo]

Continued....

No longer does the Protestant church teach nor even believe as the reformers at the cost of their lives, warned about. Today's professed followers of Christ trample upon centuries of shed blood of martyrs who died at the hands of this evil. With their own blood they wrote across the pages of history that the Roman Catholic edifice, that counterfeit Christian church/state union that is awash with superstition, philosophy, man-made doctrines and dogmas, idolatry and blasphemy, and persecutors of all who oppose her, is indeed the Antichrist of the Bible. The power that would make war with the saints, and to overcome them: the power that would have eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. The power that shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: the power that would reveal itself after a falling away as the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, (the church) shewing himself that he is God.

(See Daniel 7, 2Thess.2)



The Protestant church of today is no longer Protestant. God's watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. (Isa 56:10).



Not that long ago the leader of the Antichrist power arose from his hiding place...he sees his prey, the Protestant church of America, as being easy meat. For they are asleep and ignorant of his devices. He stood before the nation's leaders and rulers and lawmakers and they remained silent. They welcomed this son of perdition, and believed his lies and refused to warn their people of the danger. More so, they even went so far as to encourage their people to follow this beast, to surrender their landmarks of truth, and once again accept the superstitious idolatry of this pagan counterfeiter of the true faith. And the leopard is winning his prey. For the United States of America will eventually lead the world into submission to the papal power.



Revelation 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; (the USA) and he had two horns like a lamb, (Protestantism and republicanism...a religion without a pope, and a nation without a king) and he spake as a dragon. (Who could deny the change in character recently in US presidential undemocratic law-making, particularly through COVID, but it is going to get worse. Ever hear of PROJECT 2025)?

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, (the RCC) and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,(by legislating doctrines and moral imperatives and mandates the reflect the desires and wishes of Rome) whose deadly wound was healed. (Received it's mortal wound in 1798, at which time it ceased to have political influence, but the healing began in 1929 with the re-establishment of the union of church and state)

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,(a false Pentecost)

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they (Note the democratic lobbying here, seeking the approval and support of the people... Through elections coming next year) should make an image to the beast, (church/state union... PROJECT 2025) which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak (through legislative power), and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

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This image is a repetition of the mediaeval persecuting power of the papacy, only on a global scale.

"And ye shall be hated of all nations for My name's sake"

And yet many sit at the table of her all inclusive false love . WHO DO YOU THINK
brought this finding common ground , having unity , all inclusive love unto the world and all religons
to merge them as one . Exactly . IF YOU are sitting in a church
and its talking a lot about unity , a lot about love and yet its love trods doctrine under foot for unity , a lot about finding common ground and overlooking diffferences
About community builders , alpha course , tearing down walls , bridge builders . GUESS WHO HAS INFECTED YA CHURCH .
ANTI CHRIST RELIGOIN HAS and it will GET ONLY WORSE . TIME WE BIBLE UP .

 

[Behold]

That is personification, not evidence of a person. My car is a she, but not a person. Beast is in the neuter form in Greek in the chp and that is usually translated as a male pronoun. Citing "him" as proof that there is a male person there shows your lack of the Greek language.

The anti-Christ is the Islamic "Mahdi".

 

[amigo de christo]

The anti-Christ is the Islamic "Mahdi".

IT AINT THE ONLY ONE . The largest institution of anti Christ , came from and cometh from WITHIN the christain realm .
WE GOT US A HARLOT in high places that is now merging all religoins and peoples to come together AS ONE .
AND ITS USING THE WORD LOVE to DO THE JOB . ONLY IT AINT LOVE AND IT AINT COMING FROM GOD EITHER .
A WHORE REIGNS over this earth . A WHORE that has even the very IMAMS bowing before her .
EVEN THE IMAMS are doing her will to rise as one and to bring even the mulism under her will for world peace and unity .
SHE HOLDS the PRESIDENTS and key leaders of the world , EVEN SUBJECT UNTO HER WILL .
THIS not even the IMAMS can do . NOT as SHE HAS DONE .
THIS HARLOT will unify all not in the lambs book of life to sit at her table of false love and unity and merge as one
UNDER HER SHADE and UNDER THE BEAST .

 

[amigo de christo]

The anti-Christ is the Islamic "Mahdi".

even the unbelieving jews now do her will . THIS HARLOT rests not and she has gained power
by SEDUCTION and through peace and false love , OVER THE REALM OF EARTH .
MORE will join her as one as the days continue . SOON the solution she has always desired
throughout all time will be brought forth on the largest world wide stage and scale .
As unified faiths and religoins and athiest and all chant , EITHER GOD IS LOVE or JUST LOVE .
HER LOVE WILL MERGE THEM AS ONE . And the solution will be
RID THE EARTH OF ALL FUNDAMENTAL WHO CONFORMED NOT TO what they call LOVE or the religions
call LOVE AND GOD . THIS WHORE HAS POWER over the kings of the earth
POLITICIANS FROM BOTH SIDES DO HONOR HER and do her work . I would not worry too much
about the IMAMS or MAHDI , though it too is of the devil and anti christ .
EVEN THEY MERGE as one with her . YOU SHOULD SEE what the heck is going on in this world .
I BEEN TO UAE . Nearly thirty years ago . back in the summer of nineteen ninety five .
AND what i seen just a couple of years ago WAS A TOTAL CHANGE .
THE IMAMS were no longer teaching n preaching as they once did , THEY WERE SIGNING DOCUMENTS
for world peace FROM POPE FRANICS HIMSELF . THE WHORE HAS THEM ALL NOW .
AND THE RELIGOINS WILL MERGE as one under what the world believes and sees as LOVE
and FROM GOD . BUT IT COMETH FROM SATAN and FROM the inward parts OF THE HARLOT .
WHO IS THIS HARLOT .
WELL go to and behold WHO IS THE ONE OFFERING UP THIS OLIVE BRANCH and gathering the religoins under HER WINGS .
THIS HARLOT has done what even the politcians could not do . IT HAS MERGED THE FALSE RELIGOINS TO BE AS ONE
THE MYSTERY OF INQUITY has not been at rest . IT HAS SWOLLED FULL and willl get worse .
IT will be those who conformned not to what the world and unified religoins CALL LOVE
that will be its NUMBER ONE ENEMY . As the atheists and all religions holler LOVE , LOVE , LOVE
and away with this NON CONFORMING HATERS . IT has ONE ENEMY . IT HATES LAMBS ABOVE ALL TRIBES .
and it will bring MUCH BLOOD against the true lambs who conformend not to its false fake satanic version of love .
MARK THESE WORDS WELL my dear friend .

 

[The Light]

I read up to and including chapter 11 last night, so I'll read 12 and 13 tonight. So thanks.

Here's a heads up for you.

Revelation 11 concludes Gods wrath. Gods' wrath begins after the 7th seal is opened and the 1st trumpet sounds. Wrath is over at the 7th trumpet.
Part of Revelation 12 takes place in the 1st 6 seals of Revelation 6
Revelation 13 takes place in the 1st 6 seals as does Revelation 14.
Revelation 15 and 16 put you back in Gods wrath of the 7th seal.

Revelation reads like Genesis 7 you get 3 views of Noah loading the animals and 3 views of the flood in Genesis 7. Each view has different information.
In Revelation 6 thru 16 you get two views of the tribulation and two views of the wrath of God. Each view of the same timeframe has different information.

 

[MatthewG]

Revelation is the overview (the fuller picture) of what Jesus talked about in what is known as the Olivet discourse.

 

[BarneyFife]

So you oppose prophecy? A good portion of the bible is prophecy, which is futurism by definition.

No.

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[covenantee]

So you oppose prophecy? A good portion of the bible is prophecy, which is futurism by definition.

Not today's futurism, spawned in the apostasy of the historical anti-Reformation papacy.