Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[TinMan]

What age do you suppose sinning begins?

Still waiting to find out just what evil 8 year old Gariel did

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So, Paul's Gospel, was not even around, in Luke 16,....

That's false doctrine! You are conflicted claiming Paul learned from Jesus and then saying Paul has his own special gospel that Jesus did not teach.

There are not 2 different gospels... there is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God during the age of grace in which we live. Those that have been born again have been translated from darkness into God's Kingdom as in IN CHRIST right now (Colossians 1:13) which speaks of living under His domain walking in righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost (Romans 14:17)

Paul does not teach differently than Jesus... it was Jesus teaching thru Paul as Jesus continued His teaching ministry thru the Apostles which He used to write the New Testament.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is the teaching that we turn away from sin and get born again and are translated from darkness into the Kingdom of God's Dear Son

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

If you have not been translated in to Kingdom of God... you have not been born again yet.

Sadly, you have been taught to twist the teachings of the Lord given thru the Apostle Paul.

2 Peter 3:15,16
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The so called "gospel of grace" is the message of the grace changers who turn the grace of the Lord in to lawlessness spoken of in Jude 1:4 made popular by false teachers such as Joseph Prince and it's is the fake OSAS message.

Feel free to live in opposition to what Jesus taught which He also taught thru the Apostles throughout the New Testament.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it

Jesus said... after the law and the prophets... there is only ONE Gospel being taught

 

[CadyandZoe]

This isn't true and again if you were saying this about anyone else it would rightly be called bigotry.

It is not bigotry to recognize when someone is degrading or humiliating another person.

 

[CadyandZoe]

This isn't true and again if you were saying this about anyone else it would rightly be called bigotry.

Do you honestly not know what they do to each other? I'm not going to spell it out for you here on a Christian message board.

 

[Lizbeth]

To receive the knowledge of the truth, does not always.... mean you are born again., as those Christ rejecting Hebrews in your verse have it, and they rejected it.

So, It can mean that you only have come to the knowledge... as they did, in that Verse.

The "truth", is that Jesus is "the only Way to the Father".... as this is the Gospel. = John 14:6

So, that TRUTH< is "knowledge".. that is given when I preach the Gospel, or when anyone does.

We preach "Christ Crucified", as this is the "knowledge of the Truth".. = we bring the Hearer this knowledge, we bring them to it by giving them the GOSPEL.

So, THEN.....the hearer, has to decide....... = believe it, or not..

If they decided "not",... then "there remaineth no more sacrifice for their sin""", as they just REJECTED the ONLY Sacrifice for their sin... who is "Christ Crucified", 'and there is NONE OTHER., so, Jesus says to them "you will die in your SINS" because you have rejected ME, who is "the TRUTH, and the only WAY, to the Father".

That is what those Christ rejecting Hebrews are doing, in HEBREWS 6:4 and HEBREWS 10:26 and ACTS 28:28

If, however, they had receive the "knowledge of the Truth" by FAITH...... and BELIEVED...

= Then their "Faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness, and God forgives their sins., and gives them (any Believer) the "new Birth".

However these Christ Rejecting HEBREWS, did not believe.

And what does "illuminated" mean..? and "sanctified"...? Bible says elsewhere that we are "renewed in knowledge after the image of Christ" ....aka BORN AGAIN. Look again at the whole passage I quoted....Paul is clearly talking to believers...why would he be telling UNbelievers to assemble and exhort one another to do good (as opposed to continuing in sin) and stay in the faith? How are UNbelievers illuminated, sanctified and renewed in knowledge? Sorry but you are wresting things here to try and fit your belief, instead of letting the scriptures inform you what to believe.

 

[St. SteVen]

Found this while doing research on the subject.

132,401 views Jan 17, 2017
After engaging in a series of enlightening conversations and presentations on the intricacies of gender identity, pastor Mark Wingfield felt a calling. In this talk Mark recounts his journey of becoming one of the transgender communities' most unlikely spokespersons, and the human connections that resulted from his willingness to listen. Mark Wingfield was a journalist for 21 years before becoming a pastor, he now serves as an associate pastor of Wilshire Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas. He is active in the nonprofit service sector, having helped launch four nonprofits and currently serving on the boards of three. Mark is a regular columnist for BaptistNews.com, where his two posts on understanding transgender identity went viral and sparked a national conversation.

/ @TinMan

 

[amigo de christo]

Not by true Christians I'm sure. Maybe by some who call themselves Christians, but are not. Violence is not the answer, the gospel is. (For those who are willing, at least. For those who are not, the Lord will judge in the end.)

Correct not by true christains . And also true christains would never tell them their sin is okay with GOD . Rather they must repent
of all sin . Reminding them that GOD wont be mocked , what we sow to is what we shall reap .
No true lamb would make death threats to kill anyone . Rather they would warn them to repent of said evil .
Pointing to Christ and all pure and holy words of truth .

 

[Lizbeth]

you don't get disown part of the congregation. If you don't like what they are doing address the problem not wave it away.

Anyone who has not the Spirit doesn't belong to the congregation of the saints, sorry. That is what the bible teaches. There are nominal Christians and there are true Christians who have had an encounter with the risen Lord Jesus and received His Spirit within. There are many Christians in name only sitting in churches, but they do not belong to Christ. It's to be hoped that some of them will be born again at some point, but it is like the scriptures say, only a remnant will be saved. Scripture says: "Seek the Lord while He may be found"; "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?" And "except you be born again you cannot enter the kingdom of God". And how will they be be born again if those churches are no longer teaching and preaching the gospel, but feelings and philosophies of man? People can only be saved through the gospel, which teaches and helps us to go and sin no more.

 

[amigo de christo]

So... WHY are so many "Christians" going around living in sin then???

They are ignorant of God's Word is why... and they have turned away from Him

CINO . This people honors me with their lips but their heart is far from me . Christain in name only .
And i was the worst of them too .

 

[St. SteVen]

I will be advocating for the side that homosexuality is inherently wrong, and the promotion of such actions and thoughts are evil. Similar or contrasting views are welcome and gladly accepted. Let us be in constant search for the truth during our discussion.

Here's the REAL question that needs to be asked:

Homophobia: Wrong or Right?​

Who are the lepers (outcasts) that Jesus sends us to minister healing to?

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[amigo de christo]

Here's the REAL question that needs to be asked:

Homophobia: Wrong or Right?​

Who are the lepers (outcasts) that Jesus sends us to minister healing to?

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The problem with what is called homophobia is often they are accusing the wrong ones of being homophobic .
So allow me some parting words. I aint the one so totally scared to death of them
that i go along with their agenda and accept their sin as good . its the ones who are so afraid of this world
and of its agenda that FEAR them . Thus they readily embrace this other path which accepts the sin and calls it good .
THERE IS YOUR HOMOPHOBE . THE ONE who actually corrects their sin , AINT THE ONE FEARING THEM .
SO lets use this word properly .
PS , pray to GOD for utterance so that one may speak as they ought to speak and not rather fear men and an agenda .
Its sin and as with any sin it must be corrected , specially within them churches .
Fear not , do not be homophobic and fear them . THEY NEED to hear the truth so in hopes they will repent of their sin
DO not be homophobic .

 

[Lizbeth]

Correct not by true christains . And also true christains would never tell them their sin is okay with GOD . Rather they must repent
of all sin . Reminding them that GOD wont be mocked , what we sow to is what we shall reap .
No true lamb would make death threats to kill anyone . Rather they would warn them to repent of said evil .
Pointing to Christ and all pure and holy words of truth .

Brother, I just am not sure that anyone necessarily has to have their specific sins pointed out to them beforehand, unless the Spirit specifically leads or the person is open to talking about it......the Lord will do whatever convicting is needed, and Jesus came not to condemn but to save.....but just preach the gospel, which is the same gospel to all (because all have sinned), regardless of the type of sin a person has.

 

[Lizbeth]

CINO . This people honors me with their lips but their heart is far from me . Christain in name only .
And i was the worst of them too .

And many have been wrongly taught that they can keep on sinning and stay saved too, so tragically they fall away and become nominal.

 

[amigo de christo]

Brother, I just am not sure that anyone necessarily has to have their specific sins pointed out to them beforehand, unless the Spirit specifically leads......the Lord will do whatever convicting is needed, and Jesus came not to condemn but to save.....but just preach the gospel, which is the same gospel to all (because all have sinned), regardless of the type of sin a person has.

We preach the gospel to all . Yes indeed . WITHIN the CHURCH if any sin or error is seen it must be
corrected . A big way to have done that would have been to not veer away from certain scrips . READ THEM ALL
But most churchs seem to VEER from what lots of the scriptures be saying and not reading certain scrips .
CAUSE well , that might offend someone . No looking good in such places that do that .
Within the church walls if one is known to be in sin , calling themselves a believer , Guess what needs to be done .
CORRECTION does . If not leaven LUMPS the place up . And its not too hard to figure out
certain sins at all . I mean if TWO gay married men are coming within the church and boasting in they love for GOD ,
ITS NOT TOO hard to tell THEY ARE IN SIN . But if we do what many churches have done in times past
and still do . IF we continue to week after week say nothing , just hug and do all to make everyone just feel welcome .
GUESS what happens . THE CHURCH in time begins to think and believe this is not SIN at all anymore .
I seen far too many take that path and then later they begin to believe its actually love .
PLUS and this is a HUGE PLUS . Those in the sin are not being helped in any way .
I think folks forget that tomorrow is not gauranteed . The very next night one of those two could die
THEN WHERE WAS THE LOVE OF THE CHURCH WHO DID NOTHING TO CORRECT THEM .
ITS TIME we actually examine what the LOVE of GOD actually does . IT dont turn a blind eye to one in danger
IT CORRECTS THEM , EVEN warns them to repent . Oh yes . Be encouraged sister . and march ever onwards in the LORD .

 

[Lizbeth]

Here's the REAL question that needs to be asked:

Homophobia: Wrong or Right?​

Who are the lepers (outcasts) that Jesus sends us to minister healing to?

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Are you talking about the lost ones who don't know Christ? Then I agree with the spirit of what you are expressing (though not the false accusation, which is manipulative).

But it's a different kettle of fish altogether with those within the church who are naming the name of Christ. As Paul wrote, we are not to judge those outside, but must judge those inside if any are living a life of sin or worse, teaching others that it's ok to.

 

[Lizbeth]

We preach the gospel to all . Yes indeed . WITHIN the CHURCH if any sin or error is seen it must be
corrected . A big way to have done that would have been to not veer away from certain scrips . READ THEM ALL
But most churchs seem to VEER from what lots of the scriptures be saying and not reading certain scrips .
CAUSE well , that might offend someone . No looking good in such places that do that .
Within the church walls if one is known to be in sin , calling themselves a believer , Guess what needs to be done .
CORRECTION does . If not leaven LUMPS the place up . And its not too hard to figure out
certain sins at all . I mean if TWO gay married men are coming within the church and boasting in they love for GOD ,
ITS NOT TOO hard to tell THEY ARE IN SIN . But if we do what many churches have done in times past
and still do . IF we continue to week after week say nothing , just hug and do all to make everyone just feel welcome .
GUESS what happens . THE CHURCH in time begins to think and believe this is not SIN at all anymore .
I seen far too many take that path and then later they begin to believe its actually love .
PLUS and this is a HUGE PLUS . Those in the sin are not being helped in any way .
I think folks forget that tomorrow is not gauranteed . The very next night one of those two could die
THEN WHERE WAS THE LOVE OF THE CHURCH WHO DID NOTHING TO CORRECT THEM .
ITS TIME we actually examine what the LOVE of GOD actually does . IT dont turn a blind eye to one in danger
IT CORRECTS THEM , EVEN warns them to repent . Oh yes . Be encouraged sister . and march ever onwards in the LORD .

Yes, it's different in how to approach lost souls, as opposed to those who are within the church. Totally agree.

 

[St. SteVen]

Are you talking about the lost ones who don't know Christ? Then I agree with the spirit of what you are expressing (though not the false accusation, which is manipulative).

But it's a different kettle of fish altogether with those within the church who are naming the name of Christ. As Paul wrote, we are not to judge those outside, but must judge those inside if any are living a life of sin or worse, teaching others that it's ok to.

Did you view this?

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[Lizbeth]

You think gay people don't come from happy loving supportive families?

We live in a broken world. Sometimes parents can even be too loving and supportive and that also is dysfunctional in its own way as much as abusive and rejection parenting. And sometimes people veer off into sin because they picked up an evil spirit along the way and believed it. The way Eve did, while living in paradise. All the more so in a society that is becoming increasingly dark.....demons are like bacteria, they are all over the place and without the disinfecting effect of the light of the gospel they are running more rampant and infecting more people sadly. Devil is the father of LIES. God is not a man that He should lie...His word is TRUTH and His word teaches clearly that homosexuality is sinful. Believe your sin or believe God, it's up to you and you will either reap eternal life or death accordingly.

 

[Wrangler]

Still waiting to find out just what evil 8 year old Gariel did

You already know. You just don't want to admit it because your narrative is one that no one here agrees with. Sinners do evil against sinners.

You want a lie accepted, that homosexuality is not evil of the highest order.

 

[TinMan]

It is not bigotry to recognize when someone is degrading or humiliating another person.

you are degrading an entire group of people