CadyandZoe
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Eternal security is not something we do for ourselves, it is something that God does for us. God pours out his spirit within the heart of an individual. And due to this, that individual will remain on the vine continuing in the faith. God is the one saving us. He is the one who keeps us on the vine and keeps us in the faith.I agree, you are correct. Eternal security is offered at our salvation, however it has a conditional clause; just as any WILL does! Our eternal security hinges on our remaining in the vine, continuing in the faith!
These conditional clauses are often misread or at least I can say that there is another way to take them.John 15:
4 As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, EXCEPT IT ABIDE IN THE VINE; NO MORE CAN YE, EXCEPT YE ABIDE IN ME.except it abide in the vine; 5 I am the VINE, ye are the BRANCHES,I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for WITHOUT ME ye can do nothing.
Colossians 1:23
23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm AND DO NOT MOVE FROM THE HOPE HELD OUT IN THE GOSPEL. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
Let me explain. Consider the following passage. Notice that here, Paul removes all contingency, supposition, and uncertainty.
Romans 5:1-5
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we also have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we celebrate in hope of the glory of God. And not only this, but we also celebrate in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
The passages you mentioned include conditional clauses that outline the requirements for individuals to be saved. However, the passage above is a clear and categorical statement stating that certain people will be saved without any exceptions. Trials of faith and persecution are common reasons why people lose their belief. While some people withstand the trials of faith, others succumb to them. Paul specifies one condition that can help individuals survive such trials - it is through the love of God, which has been poured out within their hearts through the Holy Spirit. In this context, the love of God is an act of kindness. God has done something for them that guarantees their salvation. All individuals who have been granted the Holy Spirit will be saved without any exceptions. Some will hope for salvation and be disappointed, but ALL of those in whom God has placed his Holy Spirit, such people will not be disappointed.
Consider this passage also. The following passage is another categorical statement indicating individuals who will experience salvation without exception. In this context, "glorification" (perfect moral goodness) is the completion of the salvation process.
Romans 8:28-30
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
Here Paul draws a straight, unbroken line between predestination and glorification. Without exception, all those whom God foreknew will be glorified (saved in the ultimate sense.)
Foreknew --> predestined --> called --> justified --> glorified.
Such people, Paul says, are predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son.
Previously, many of us had interpreted passages like John 15 in a certain way. We used to think that when Jesus said "My disciples are liable to remain on the vine," He meant that it was possible for them to fall away from the faith. However, I now understand that Jesus meant something different. He meant that His disciples have the potential to remain on the vine, and that those whom God has chosen will definitely remain on the vine. As we saw in the passages above, God's will removes all uncertainty and guarantees that His chosen ones will stay faithful.
@Big Boy Johnson