OSAS being False Doctrine!

[amigo de christo]

I think ole Stanley has passed.
Be interesting to ask him what he believes NOW!

I dont much about ol stanley , but his son is a total heretick to the ninth degree . THAT I DO KNOW .
And my advice to everyone is , SIT not under such sold out men of belial . OH i know
i will be probably called judgmental or a hater . BUT this lamb aint gonna let false seducers , SEDUCE people .
One church got serious rebuked for allowing a false prophetess to teach andto seduce the people .
WELL ANDY STANLEY IS A SEDUCER who doeth the work of darkness and YOU CAN BET i shall expose that man
And or anyone else who cometh in as though they are a sheep , but are nuaght but a wolf in sheeps attire .

 

[amigo de christo]

A Born Again can’t harden their heart..not if they are truly Born Again..as God’s Living word says.

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◄ Ezekiel 36:26 ►

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Audio Crossref Comm Hebrew Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. New Living Translation And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. Praise God...who is true to his word. Thank you Lord for that new heart and for your Holy Spirit...and yes Lord you are true to your word. You took my stony ,stubborn heart and you did give me a tender, responsive heart. Praise Your Holy Name!

SIN can harden anyones heart . Exhort one another daily , lest any does become HARDENED through
the deceitfulness of sin . This is what i mean about OSAS , they twist stuff . WE need these reminders .
ALL reminders are SPIRIT INSPIRED . GOD KNOWS , JESUS KNOWS , the apostels knew HOW to keep the church safe .
WE NEED to heed all reminders .

 

[Ritajanice]

You are sneaky rita , you took a picture of me after having to sit for five minutes under pope francis and this all inclusive delusion .

RAISE those hands up dear sister . That looks like me just moments before i fall into a coma produced
by having to listen to this pope and others within the protestant realm .

No comment..LOL.

 

[Ritajanice]

SIN can harden anyones heart . Exhort one another daily , lest any does become HARDENED through
the deceitfulness of sin . This is what i mean about OSAS , they twist stuff . WE need these reminders .
ALL reminders are SPIRIT INSPIRED . GOD KNOWS , JESUS KNOWS , the apostels knew HOW to keep the church safe .
WE NEED to heed all reminders .

A true Born Again can not harden their hearts.

I go by the living word of God.
And God’s given you a reminder below..take note... @amigo de christo

Audio Crossref Comm Hebrew
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

New Living Translation
And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart.

 

[amigo de christo]

You are right @Big Boy Johnson , cherry pickers, denying the whole council of God !

Can one be a quarter or half believer?

Never sniff the cherry pickers hands . Them verses they cherry picked , they twisted those
out of text to justify mans own teachings . IN other words they pulled their doctrine not from GOD , the SPIRIT
but rather from the holes of men gone wrong . repeat never sniff a cherry pickers hands . THEMS CHOCOLATE CHERRIES
and that aint chocolate sister either . Its dung doctrine .

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Never sniff the cherry pickers hands . Them verses they cherry picked , they twisted those
out of text to justify mans own teachings . IN other words they pulled their doctrine not from GOD , the SPIRIT
but rather from the holes of men gone wrong . repeat never sniff a cherry pickers hands . THEMS CHOCOLATE CHERRIES
and that aint chocolate sister either . Its dung doctrine .

Lol, blunt & to the point, just the way I roll!

 

[Ritajanice]

Never sniff the cherry pickers hands . Them verses they cherry picked , they twisted those
out of text to justify mans own teachings . IN other words they pulled their doctrine not from GOD , the SPIRIT
but rather from the holes of men gone wrong . repeat never sniff a cherry pickers hands . THEMS CHOCOLATE CHERRIES
and that aint chocolate sister either . Its dung doctrine .

All in your “own” opinion and belief..dear @amigo de christo .

 

[amigo de christo]

All in your opinion and belief..dear @amigo de christo .

Then go behold what this mathew vines is doing . HE is twistiing the scrips to support gay marriage and other things .
OH YEAH we got cherry pickers who do twist scrips unto their own destruction .

 

[marks]

Oh really.

You show me or quote, any Born Again on this page who said this........EVEN if they continue to live in sin ,or if later on they go back to living in sin?

Show me please?

That's what makes this argument so shallow. He's saying "If a born again isn't really born again - no change - will they stay born again?" But his wording is different. That's the straw man, though. It's been repeated over and over ad nauseum.

It's all based on an hypothetical supposition, which is simply arguing a fiction. The Bible answers his objection so simply, yet he rejects it out of hand, that those who leave weren't actually in.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

That's what makes this argument so shallow. He's saying "If a born again isn't really born again - no change - will they stay born again?" But his wording is different. That's the straw man, though. It's been repeated over and over ad nauseum.

It's all based on an hypothetical supposition, which is simply arguing a fiction. The Bible answers his objection so simply, yet he rejects it out of hand, that those who leave weren't actually in.

Much love!

He is accusing us Born Again of deliberately sinning...

When we have NOT.

Once more and I will report his post to admin.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Then go behold what this mathew vines is doing . HE is twistiing the scrips to support gay marriage and other things .
OH YEAH we got cherry pickers who do twist scrips unto their own destruction .

When one lacks taking the sustenance of the word, ,(through reading & study) they are anemic and frail in faith.
To always pick the sweet of the word and reject the bitter makes on an incomplete believer.( If one is at all)
A new believer has hope in their growth as they mature, but a forever fledgling is just that incomplete!

 

[Ritajanice]

“Provoke not…to wrath” (Eph. 6:4). It's one thing, as Proverbs cautions, to recognize an angry person and beware; it's quite another thing to provoke to the point of an angry response an individual who is seeking to do right (and then condemning the person for their angry response).

 

[Abbie]

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.--Matthew 5:3
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.--John 13:35

Hi bro n sis in Christ, i have read part of the threads, and these two bible verses come up to my mind. i want to say, no matter how large the gap is when it comes to some conflicting points, we should be calm and express our idea rationally. Most importantly, we should have a seeking heart and pray to God, let God guide us to find the truths.

About the above question, recently i also have such confusion: is it really true that once saved, always saved? I pray to God and hope God gives me enlightenment. God is really faithful. Later one of my christian friends share me one article and some other materials. it is very helpful and then all my confusion is gone now. I want to share it with you guys here. Thank God!

 

[Abbie]

How Can We Have Assurance of Salvation?​

The sun sank into the west, and the last light of the sinking sun spread across the world as I walked back home after a meeting, thinking of what the pastor had said: “Once saved, then we are always saved, for the Bible says, ‘That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made to salvation’ (Romans 10:9-10). As we believe in the Lord Jesus, as long as we believe in our hearts and acknowledge Him with our mouths, then we are saved, and if we are saved once then we are always saved. As long as we keep working and expending ourselves for the Lord and endure till the very end, then when the Lord returns, we will immediately be raptured up into the kingdom of heaven!” I gave an Amen to the pastor’s words: “Yes! The Lord Jesus was nailed to the cross so that we could be redeemed, so as long as we call upon the Lord’s name, confess our sins and repent to the Lord, then our sins will be absolved and we will be saved by His grace—once saved, always saved, and afterward we will surely be raptured up into the kingdom of heaven.” Over the years of my belief in the Lord, I had always firmly believed that this view was correct, and never once doubted it.

 

[Abbie]

One day, however, as I was consulting the scriptures, I read these words spoken by the Lord Jesus: “Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). “If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed” (John 8:31). I contemplated these words carefully, and I saw that the Lord Jesus was saying that only people who carry out God’s will and who practice the Lord’s words are qualified to enter into the kingdom of heaven; He was not saying that people could be saved simply by having faith, or that just because people were saved once then they are always saved, or that people would immediately be raptured up into the kingdom of heaven once the Lord returned. It began to look as though my views did not accord with the Lord’s words! Could it be that the views I’d held on to all these years were wrong? Over all the years I’d spent believing in the Lord, although I believed without a shadow of a doubt that the Lord Jesus had redeemed us, I often didn’t practice the Lord’s teachings in my life; as I wasn’t someone who carried out God’s will, how then could I enter into the kingdom of heaven? Thinking of this, I couldn’t help feeling anxious, but then I thought: “Since the Lord Jesus became a sin offering for our sake and absolved all our sins, we are already saved by His grace, so why wouldn’t we be able to enter into the kingdom of heaven? Doesn’t being saved by His grace mean eternal salvation?” I was really baffled, and so I took this bewilderment and sought and prayed often to the Lord, and I also consulted many spiritual books, but the answer could not be found.

 

[Abbie]

Later, at a co-workers meeting, I bumped into Brother Zhang whom I hadn’t seen for ages. He is a preacher and has a very pure understanding of the Bible. In every meeting, he is able to fellowship some new light, and I am greatly benefited by it. When I saw him this time, I greeted him happily, and as we chatted, I mentioned the problem that had been vexing me for quite some time. Smiling, Brother Zhang said: “Brother Yang, this problem you mention is related to the important issue of whether or not we can enter into the kingdom of heaven. I have also been vexed by this in the past, but thanks to the Lord’s guidance and having sought for a time, I now have some simple understanding about what true salvation is.” I hurriedly said to him, “So hurry up and tell me!” He laughed, and said, “As we all know, chapter 2 verse 32 in the Book of Joel in the Bible says: ‘Whoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered.’ In those early days, Jehovah God proclaimed His laws and commanded that the people of Israel follow them. The people believed that as long as they kept the laws and were not condemned, then they would be saved. But at the end of the Age of Law, because mankind was being corrupted more and more deeply by Satan, the people of Israel could not keep the laws and they committed more and more sins; there was no longer any sin offering they could make that could sufficiently expiate their sins, and so they were faced with the danger of being condemned and sentenced to death by those laws. God took mercy on mankind, however, and so that mankind could be saved and escape the condemnation of the laws, God became flesh with the name of Jesus and performed the work of redemption, was crucified as a flesh without sin, and freely redeemed us humans from the laws. From that point on, so long as we accepted and called on the Lord Jesus’ name, came before Him to repent and confess our sins, then our sins would be absolved, and we would no longer be condemned or punished by those laws—we gained salvation because the Lord Jesus redeemed us.”

 

[Abbie]

After hearing Brother Zhang say this, I felt suddenly enlightened, and I said in amazement: “So you mean, in the Age of Law, as long as people kept the laws of Jehovah God, then they were saved, and in the Age of Grace, as long as people trusted in the Lord Jesus, confessed their sins and repented to the Lord, then they were saved too.”

 

[Ritajanice]

Been led by the Spirit to post this..a word for someone.

Ephesians 4:31-32

King James Version

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31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

[Abbie]

Brother Zhang said, “Yes. Whenever God does a new stage of work, we are able to keep up with the pace of God’s work, abide by God’s requirements in the new age, practice in accordance with God’s words, and therefore be saved and no longer condemned by God. In fact, being saved by the Lord Jesus’ grace in our belief in Him means only that our sins are absolved, and that we won’t be condemned or sentenced to death by the laws; it does not mean, however, that we are following God’s way and that we have cast off all sin, much less does it mean that having been saved once then we are always saved. Although we believe in the Lord Jesus, and we have been redeemed by Him and our sins have been absolved, we are still capable of frequently committing sins and defying God, and we live in a vicious spiral of committing sins in the daytime and then confessing them in the evening, unable to free ourselves from the bonds and constraints of sin. For example, when we encounter an issue, in order to protect our appearance and status, and so that people look highly upon us and look up to us, we often wear disguises, tell lies and engage in deception, we love showing off when we do things, and we can also scheme against others and vie with them for position; when we see our brothers and sisters becoming negative and weak, and losing their faith, several times we go to help and support them but we see it have no effect, and so we ourselves lose our compassion and patience, and we start to try to avoid our brothers and sisters, and we become unable to love others as we love ourselves. Especially when trials come upon us, we complain and we can blame and judge the Lord, so much so that we begin to harbor thoughts and ideas about betraying the Lord; we are simply unable to practice the Lord’s words, and we have no true faith in the Lord and are not truly obedient to Him. There are also many brothers and sisters who follow worldly trends, who covet sinful pleasures, and who live lives of eating, drinking and cavorting, just as the unbelievers do. God said: ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin. And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever’ (John 8:34-35). ‘You shall therefore be holy, for I am holy’ (Leviticus 11:45). God’s words are very clear: God is holy and God’s disposition is righteous and inviolable, and if one wants to enter into the kingdom of heaven, then they must rid themselves of their sinful nature and be cleansed, and no longer sin or defy God; only people like this are qualified to inherit God’s promise. How could we, who sin in the daytime and confess our sins in the evening, and who live in inescapable sin, ever be qualified to enter into the kingdom of heaven? If we don’t solve our sins at the source, even if we could have our sins absolved a thousand times, ten thousand times, we would still belong to Satan and be opposed to God. Just think—if God allowed people like us, who are filled with our satanic, corrupt dispositions, and who are capable of defying and betraying God, into the kingdom of heaven, then how could God’s kingdom still be called the holy kingdom? This would be impossible!”

 

[Abbie]

Brother Zhang took from his bag a book, and said that the words within this book could resolve my problem. He then went on to read: “When people cast off the filthy, corrupt things of Satan, they gain God’s salvation. But if they still do not divest themselves of filth and corruption, then they are still living under the domain of Satan. People’s conniving, deceitfulness, and crookedness are all things of Satan. God’s salvation of you is to extricate you from these things of Satan. God’s work cannot be wrong; it is all done in order to save people from darkness. When you have believed to a certain point and can divest yourself of the corruption of the flesh, and are no longer shackled by this corruption, will you not have been saved? When you live under Satan’s domain you are incapable of manifesting God, you are something filthy, and cannot receive God’s inheritance. Once you have been cleansed and made perfect, you will be holy, you will be a normal person, and you will be blessed by God and delightful to God” (The Word, Vol. 1. The Appearance and Work of God. Practice (2)). “The sins of man could be forgiven through the sin offering, but as for just how man can be made to sin no more, and how his sinful nature may be extirpated completely and transformed, he has no way of solving this problem. The sins of man were forgiven, and this is because of the work of God’s crucifixion, but man continued to live within the corrupt satanic disposition of old. This being so, man must be completely saved from his corrupt satanic disposition, so that his sinful nature may be completely extirpated, never to develop again, thus enabling the disposition of man to be transformed. This would require man to grasp the path of growth in life, to grasp the way of life, and to grasp the way to change his disposition. Furthermore, it would require man to act in accordance with this path, so that his disposition may gradually be changed and he may live under the shining of the light, so that all that he does may be in accord with the will of God, so that he may cast away his corrupt satanic disposition, and so that he may break free from Satan’s influence of darkness, thereby emerging fully from sin. Only then will man receive complete salvation” (The Word, Vol. 1. The Appearance and Work of God. The Mystery of the Incarnation (4)).