Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

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Big Boy Johnson

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Jesus must have seen something in Peter and built the church upon him

Jesus said He would build His Church upon revelation knowledge, not on Peter.

John 16:14
He (Holy Ghost) shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show (reveal) it unto you.

Peter was not any more special than the rest of the Apostles.

At the Council at Jerusalem where all the Apostles had the big meeting to figure out if Christians had to be circumcised or not... the overseer what the Apostle John, not Peter.

If Pete was "the pope" and was in authority over all other Apostles, then he would have presided over the meeting but he did not.

When the disciples argued over who among them would be the greatest (Luke 22:24, Luke 9:46, Mark 9:33), Jesus and the other disciples did not indicate Peter was in authority over the other disciples.

Since catholics forbid their minsters to marry (which is a doctrine of demons, see 1 Timothy 4:3-6) we know Peter could not have been a pope or a minister among catholics because God's Word tells us Peter was married and has a wife (Matt. 8:14-15, Luke 4:38-39)
 

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Enjoy thy false doctrine! :cool:
False doctrine?

About 30 minutes ago, I gave a homeless man 5 bucks.

I guess because it doesn't LITERALLY say in the Bible to give 5 bucks to a homeless man, that I'm some "saint".

I didn't give the guy 5 buck because I thought, "YEAH! I give this guy5 bucks, and I'll automatically get into heaven! " '

I gave him 5 bucks because of Jesus' words: Give Unto Others. Actually, no I didn't. I would have given the guy 5 bucks EVEN IF I DID'T KNOW CHRIST.

Above EVERYTHING else, GOD is merciful.

Once again, put THAT in your bonnet...
 

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About 30 minutes ago, I gave a homeless man 5 bucks.

Wow! Ain't you something! :stageright:
Above EVERYTHING else, GOD is merciful.

Yes He is.... but He does not allow those that follow false doctrine to enter in to His Kingdom, so sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

The Good News is that you can repent and ask the Lord to forgive you for following the false doctrines of the catholiks and turn away from that darkness and get born again!


Once again, put THAT in your bonnet...

I don't have a bonnet... can I get one on Amazon?
 

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Jesus said He would build His Church upon revelation knowledge, not on Peter.

John 16:14
He (Holy Ghost) shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show (reveal) it unto you.

Peter was not any more special than the rest of the Apostles.

At the Council at Jerusalem where all the Apostles had the big meeting to figure out if Christians had to be circumcised or not... the overseer what the Apostle John, not Peter.

If Pete was "the pope" and was in authority over all other Apostles, then he would have presided over the meeting but he did not.

When the disciples argued over who among them would be the greatest (Luke 22:24, Luke 9:46, Mark 9:33), Jesus and the other disciples did not indicate Peter was in authority over the other disciples.

Since catholics forbid their minsters to marry (which is a doctrine of demons, see 1 Timothy 4:3-6) we know Peter could not have been a pope or a minister among catholics because God's Word tells us Peter was married and has a wife (Matt. 8:14-15, Luke 4:38-39)
Absolutely. It is total subjective reasoning from Scripture to promote Peter as "the first pope".

Did Jesus place a bit more focus on Peter? Does not the parent tend to focus more on the problem child more so than the rest? Peter was crude, given to violence, racism, self-confidence, and at times even acted as an agent of the devil - yet, Jesus sees in all of us the that sin-distorted image of God which He seeks to restore.

Peter became an absolute giant of the faith, no doubt. But, the choice of the catholic church to completely ignore Paul's manifold contributions to Christianity which far exceed that of Peter is simply another reason why the Protestant Reformers were correct when they identified the papacy as the Little Horn Antichrist that has "eyes of a man" instead of the eyes of "Godly discernment".
 

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Absolutely. It is total subjective reasoning from Scripture to promote Peter as "the first pope".
Here's the thing though, Phoneman. Catholics are not Sola Scriptura. The Bible has gone through many changes since the first word of the Bible was committed to writing. Letters were written...copies were made...other writings that used to be read in churches and distributed are no longer. The Didache is one of those manuscripts. While it was included in the reading of the first few centuries, it was later dismissed...only because true authorship could not be determined.

Also, the early church fathers had much to write on the matter. Clement, Tertullian, Caius, Origen...and a whole host of others who recognize Peter as the first Pope.
Did Jesus place a bit more focus on Peter? Does not the parent tend to focus more on the problem child more so than the rest? Peter was crude, given to violence, racism, self-confidence, and at times even acted as an agent of the devil - yet, Jesus sees in all of us the that sin-distorted image of God which He seeks to restore.

While Peter could be seen as a “problem child”, he also had the most zeal for the faith...AND, he was the FIRST to recognize Christ as the Messiah...the Son of God. Christ even said (I'm paraphrasing) that Peter wouldn't know that unless it was revealed to him by the Father...


...which is probably why Christ said that Peter would be the 'rock'.


After Jesus was resurrected, he told Peter to “feed his lambs...tend his sheep...feed his sheep.” Jesus called himself the “good shepherd”; now entrusting the care of his “flock” to Peter.
Peter became an absolute giant of the faith, no doubt. But, the choice of the catholic church to completely ignore Paul's manifold contributions to Christianity which far exceed that of Peter is simply another reason why the Protestant Reformers were correct when they identified the papacy as the Little Horn Antichrist that has "eyes of a man" instead of the eyes of "Godly discernment".
That's a bit of an exaggeration. While the RCC sees Peter as the “rock” which the RCC would be built, it in no way “ignored” Paul's contributions. The RCC sees both Peter AND Paul as instrumental in forming the basis of forming church.

In order to appreciate what we read and HOW we read the Bible TODAY, we kinda got get into the mindset of the people from yesteryear...

...about 2000+ years ago.

I sometimes wonder how many of the Apostles would rolling around in their graves right now while saying, "That's NOT what I meant!"

Some Catholics included.
 

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Catholics are not Sola Scriptura

No need to read any further!

This is the whole problem with catholics and it's WHY they are not Christians... they add to God's Word as though God totally forgot to put some stuff in His Word so catholics gonna help God out!

Problem is, the things catholics add to God's Word are false doctrine, things God never instructed man to do that are instead... teachings from the 'ol slewfoot!

For your further spiritual enlightenment.... here's what the Lord says about adding to or taking away from His Word. Enjoy!

Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it,

that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32
Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor
take away from it.

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

1 Corinthians 4:6

Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos
for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so
that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.

Revelation 22:18-19

I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if
anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this
book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which

are written in this book.
 
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Jesus said He would build His Church upon revelation knowledge, not on Peter.

John 16:14
He (Holy Ghost) shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show (reveal) it unto you.

Peter was not any more special than the rest of the Apostles.

At the Council at Jerusalem where all the Apostles had the big meeting to figure out if Christians had to be circumcised or not... the overseer what the Apostle John, not Peter.

If Pete was "the pope" and was in authority over all other Apostles, then he would have presided over the meeting but he did not.
Wait...time out. John 16:14 has nothing to do with Peter.

And as for the Council at Jerusalem, the 'overseer' wasn't John; it was PETER, as in Acts 15. Actually, it started in Acts 10 when Peter had his vision. Peter was pretty much the catalyst...a.k.a the "rock" that Jesus used to smash open the door to allow Gentiles (like you and me) into the Kingdom.


When the disciples argued over who among them would be the greatest (Luke 22:24, Luke 9:46, Mark 9:33), Jesus and the other disciples did not indicate Peter was in authority over the other disciples.
Yeah? And?
Since catholics forbid their minsters to marry (which is a doctrine of demons, see 1 Timothy 4:3-6) we know Peter could not have been a pope or a minister among catholics because God's Word tells us Peter was married and has a wife (Matt. 8:14-15, Luke 4:38-39)
More absurdity. If you're gonna criticize the RCC, best criticize the WHOLE RCC. That includes the Eastern part of the RCC...which ALLOWS clerical marriages. Even the Latin RCC allows for marriages under special circumstances.

Had Peter been alive today, and married, the RCC would have approved of his marital status.
 

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No need to read any further!

This is the whole problem with catholics and it's WHY they are not Christians... they add to God's Word as though God totally forgot to put some stuff in His Word so catholics gonna help God out!
So, let me get this straight...

YOU think that the Bible is God's Word, right? Please tell me in the Bible where it says to use a computer...or that zippers are o.k....

Let me remind you of something...dude...You got YOUR "BIBLE" from CATHOLIC canon. It was the Protestants who removed the 7 books from the Bible that had been preached for over 1400 years. It was Martin Luther who wanted to remove other books from the Bible YOU READ TODAY, but was shut down. It was MARTIN LUTHER who wanted to ADD "Faith ALONE" can SAVE you."

Seems to me that you should do a little more research on HISTORY.
Problem is, the things catholics add to God's Word are false doctrine, things God never instructed man to do that are instead... teachings from the 'ol slewfoot!

For your further spiritual enlightenment.... here's what the Lord says about adding to or taking away from His Word. Enjoy!

Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it,

that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32
Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor
take away from it.

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

1 Corinthians 4:6

Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos
for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so
that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.

Revelation 22:18-19

I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if
anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this
book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which

are written in this book.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Read it ALL before. But you seem to believe (along with some others) that God's Word is ONLY contained in the 66 bookes.

Says WHO?

In all honesty, I really don't give two hoots about all the other stuff in the Bible..

...OTHER THAN, LOVE God, and LOVE your neighbor. And while I'm trying to 'love' you, Big Boy, your prejudice is making it reeeeeallly hard...
 
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And as for the Council at Jerusalem, the 'overseer' wasn't John; it was PETER

I meant to say the Apostle James... he was the pastor at the Church at Jerusalem and he presided over the Council at Jerusalem not Peter.
Yeah? And?

And, if Pete was the "pope" as you people claim he would have been held is higher esteem by Jesus and the other Apostles and he was not... sorry to pop yo Peter is the pope balloon there.
More absurdity.

Yeah, those that don't accept what God says in His Word frequently react that way.

You got YOUR "BIBLE" from CATHOLIC canon.

Actually the oracles of God were entrusted to the Jews, not a cult...

Romans 3:1
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Catholics didn't write any part of the bible and in fact tried to keep the masses from being able to read the bible!

And, it's funny how catholics refuse to accept the bible and instead have to add a bunch of stuff to the bible because for catholics... what God says just isn't good enough for them!
 

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Wait a sec...Catholics don't believe in "faith ALONE." They never did. "Faith ALONE" is a strictly Protestant thing, and it's one reason WHY the schism happened in the first place.
Faith "Alone", as taught by Martiin Luther is an anti-Biblical cincept that cannot be supported by Scripture.
And, some Catholics claim that ONLY Catholics will go to heaven...
This is NOT a teaching of the Catholic Church - but an aberrant belief.

Some SDAs are homosexual. Others are fornicators.
Does that mean that SDA teaches homosexuality and fornication??

...which is also wrong. The RCC's 'official' stance on WHO will go to heaven or hell is this: That the RCC has no clue WHO will go to heaven or hell. To paraphrase Jesus, "There are tax collectors and prostitutes who are getting into the kingdom of heaven before 'you'." If a Catholic tells you (or anyone, for that matter) are going to hell, they're not very much a Catholic.

There are "massive errors" in ALL denominations. Catholicism certainly doesn't hold a monopoly on the "errors."

Doesn't Jesus Himself say the Holy Spirit is His representative?
The Holy Spirit is SPIRIT, not flesh and blood.
 

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The word believe, and the faith required to receive God's blessings, is not that which you suggest is possessed by demons. That's just stupid. They believe in the existence of God. If they believed in God the way we need to, actually having faith in the character of God and through faith acting on the assurance of God character and promised, they would never have believed Lucifer and sided with him in the beginning.
The demons believe in the existence of God, and they knew who Jesus was. But believing in the truths of God? When the demons tell you God going to cast people into eternal torment, thus impugning the character of God, who do you believe? The demons who are liars along with Satan, or the word of God?
The demons believe in EVERYTJNG about God.
They chose NOT to follow Him anymore. Just because they are liars does NOT mean that they don't know the truth. What they don't have is works and surrender.

Faith without works id DEAD (James 2:14-26). It's worthless.
TRUE Faith - Belief + works and surrender.
 

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Faith "Alone", as taught by Martiin Luther is an anti-Biblical cincept that cannot be supported by Scripture.

Technically that is correct.. but that does not mean catholicism is Christian in anyway due to all the other things catholics add in that are not biblical. Sorry!

And, some Catholics claim that ONLY Catholics will go to heaven...

Numerous catholic popes have made this claim and catholics teach their pope dude guys are infallible and speak for God and what they say is mo truth than the Bible.

It's good you do admit that your popes don't know what they are talkin bout so... we're making progress here!
 

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You keep missing the crucial point that Revelation 17 is a vision given to John of events FAR INTO THE FUTURE which means it's got nothing to do with Jerusalem which has long since been destroyed, relative to this vision.

Yes, it does, as seen below:
You have perverted the Scriptures to fit your mold.
The symbolisms in Revelation are POLYVALENT and don't simply refer to ONE thing.

Wrong - there were only two: Levitical and Laity. The High Priest functioned as an integral part of the Levitical priesthood.

As I've shown you from the OT that there was only the Levitical and Laity priesthood, so today there is only Christ's High Priestly ministry in heaven and the Christian laity "kings and priests" on earth.
The point is that there was ONE High Priest.
There was the Ministerial Priesthood.
There was the Priesthood of the Laity.

The SAME is tru in Christianuty - as I have shown.

Care to retract this statement, DB?
Who is "DB" - and why do you kjeep referring to me as that?
The catholic church is an apostate church which is not Christ's end time "remnant church" to which He will soon come...because the "remnant church" will be exactly like the apostolic church, keeping the same commandments as they did (Revelation 12:17 KJV).

The catholic church by her own admission below disqualifies herself as the "remnant church" by her boast that she changed God's commandments:

“Sunday is our mark of authority …. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (The Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Sept. 1, 1923)
Funnt hoiw the ONLY places where this "quote" can be found are SDA and other anti-Catholic sites.
NONE of them, however, show this to be an official teaching of the Catholic Church.

I could just as eaily quote an anti-SDA site - of which there are PLENTY - with equally-idiotic manure
 

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Catholics all over teach praying TO the dead, but praying FOR the dead is false doctrine also.
Still idolatry... The Lord never told anybody to do this
In the Body of Christ - we pray for each other and ask each other to pray for us.
YOU need to read 1 Cor. 12 in its entirey and maybe you will understand that EVERY member of the Bod needs ALL of the others.

Rev. 5:8 shows the saints in Heaven INTERCEDING on our behalf by taking our prayers to God.
READ your Bible . . .

Exactly... they accept things God never said as Truth which is why they are in so much error!
The BIBLE itself doesn't teach Sola Scrip[tura.
This false doctrine was invented by a man (Martin Luther) in the 16th century.

"Your" bible is false.
It's in YOUR Bible, too . . .
Matt. 5:25-26, 1 Cor. 3:12-15, Matt. 12:32, Matt. 18:32-35, Luke 12:58-59
 

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Uh huh, one of your com padres earlier was saying catholics don't go by scripture that you people add a bunch of other stuff to it.

So, I just gotta ask.... WHY in the scripture can we find Jesus or any of His Apostles teaching people to pray to mary, pray thru mary... or to pray to the dead, or pray thru the dead.

Got any bible verses for that??? :stageright:
 

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I meant to say the Apostle James... he was the pastor at the Church at Jerusalem and he presided over the Council at Jerusalem not Peter.


And, if Pete was the "pope" as you people claim he would have been held is higher esteem by Jesus and the other Apostles and he was not... sorry to pop yo Peter is the pope balloon there.
Jesus DID - but you have to know your Bible . . .

a.
Tell me WHY Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19) if did not put him in charge.

b. Tell me WHY Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19) if did not put him in charge.

c. Tell me WHY Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32) if did not put him in charge.

d. Tell me WHY Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2) if he was not in charge??

e. Tell me WHY Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13) if he was not in charge??

f. Tell me WHY Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7) if he was not in charge??

g.
Tell me WHY Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22) if He was not in charge??

h. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36) if he was not in charge??

i. Tell me WHY Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12) if he was not in charge??

j. Tell me WHY Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11) if He was not in charge??

k. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40) if he was not in charge??

l. Tell me WHY Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6) if he was not in charge??

m. Tell me WHY Peter's name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together if He was not in charge??

His name is mentioned 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon and 6 as Cephas). John is the next with only 48 mentions, and Peter is present 50 percent of the time we find John in the Bible. (Matt. 16:18-19, Mark 16:7, Luke 22:31-32, John 21:15-19)

STUDY your Bible . . .

Actually the oracles of God were entrusted to the Jews, not a cult...

Romans 3:1
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Catholics didn't write any part of the bible and in fact tried to keep the masses from being able to read the bible!

And, it's funny how catholics refuse to accept the bible and instead have to add a bunch of stuff to the bible because for catholics... what God says just isn't good enough for them!
Really??
The Jews wrote the New Testament??

That's an "amazing" discovery . . .
 

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Uh huh, one of your com padres earlier was saying catholics don't go by scripture that you people add a bunch of other stuff to it.

So, I just gotta ask.... WHY in the scripture can we find Jesus or any of His Apostles teaching people to pray to mary, pray thru mary... or to pray to the dead, or pray thru the dead.

Got any bible verses for that??? :stageright:
As I stated before - YOU need to read 1 Cor. 12 in its entirety.
EVERY member of the Body need
EVERY memner.

Rev. 5:8 shows the saints in Heaven interceding on YOUR behalf - yet you reject their intercession.

James 5:16 states emphatically the the prayers of a righterous person are very powerful.
There is NONE righteous (Rom. 3:10) - but everyone in Heaven has been made righteous in Christ.
 
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