Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[BreadOfLife]

Technically that is correct.. but that does not mean catholicism is Christian in anyway due to all the other things catholics add in that are not biblical. Sorry!

You just contradicted yourself.
You agreed that Sola Scripture is a man-made invention - THEN you held me to that false dtandard.

If it's a false doctrine - then it cannot be used against Catholic.

Numerous catholic popes have made this claim and catholics teach their pope dude guys are infallible and speak for God and what they say is mo truth than the Bible.

It's good you do admit that your popes don't know what they are talkin bout so... we're making progress here!

Really??
Show me the quotes and name the documents.

Otherwise - just admit that you lied . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Have you ever thought how ridiculous it is for the papacy to claim to be above the very authority to which it claims grants it that authority? Doesn't the Word of God say the one who grants blessing is greater than the one being blessed?

I realize that you;ve been indoctrinated by all this false E,G. White nonsnese - but the Church has never taught that the Pope or anybosy else is "above" the Word of God.

JESUS HIMSELF TELLS YOU WHO HE LEFT AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH:

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26 KJV)

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of Me". (John 15:26 KJV)

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever." (John 14:16 KJV)

John concurs with Jesus:
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1 John 2:27 KJV)

STUDY your Bible.
Jesus also says that the Church is HIM on earth (Acts 9:4-5, Eph. 1:22-23).

He gave the leaders of His Church supreme Authority on earth - that WHATEVER they bind or loose on earth woyuld be boubd and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23).

This is why Paul wrote:
1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

 

[Philip James]

I am not an extreme anti-Catholic. I am a pro-Gospel Christian. Catholicism is anti-Christ and anti-Gospel. You don't even believe that Jesus atoned for the sins of the world, 1 John 2:2. Which also means that you don't believe that Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17.

Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, dona nobis pacem.

Hello Robert,

You vilify what you don't understand,

But you too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

As I stated before - YOU need to read 1 Cor. 12 in its entirety.
EVERY member of the Body need EVERY memner.

Rev. 5:8 shows the saints in Heaven interceding on YOUR behalf - yet you reject their intercession.

James 5:16 states emphatically the the prayers of a righterous person are very powerful.
There is NONE righteous (Rom. 3:10) - but everyone in Heaven has been made righteous in Christ.

And of course you have NO verses showing where the Lord instructs anybody to pray to mary (idolatry) or to contact the dead (necromancy)... sad, very dad for you catholics. The verses you say I should read say NOTHING bout this.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

Jesus said nobody can contact the Father except directly thru Him

John 16:26
At that day YOU shall ask in My Name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

Jesus says we are to pray directly to the Father in His name... He's not going to pay to God fir us, and neither is anybody else.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and IDOLATERS, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

If you don't stop being an idolator, you will spend eternity in heLL.... so repent, turn away from the false doctrine of the catholics, and get born again by calling upon the Lord Jesus directly!... cut out the middle men and the middle mary lady.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You vilify what you don't understand

Actually he reads the Bible and the stuff you cathoolics are talkin 'bout ain't in the Bible... meaning what you're saying is not of the Lord!

This will end badly for you bud... you might want to get right with Jesus before it's too late!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Rev. 5:8 shows the saints in Heaven interceding on YOUR behalf - yet you reject their intercession.

Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Jesus Christ is interceding for Me... He's all powerful so I don't need anybody else for that.

Catholics apparently think Jesus just can't cut it... they think Jesus just doesn't have enough power to get the job done.

 

[Cassandra]

Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Jesus Christ is interceding for Me... He's all powerful so I don't need anybody else for that.

Catholics apparently think Jesus just can't cut it... they think Jesus just doesn't have enough power to get the job done.

not only that, but if Mary and saints could hear prayers it would be attributing omniscience and omnipresence to them. God alone is all knowing and present everywhere.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

not only that, but if Mary and saints could hear prayers it would be attributing omniscience and omnipresence to them. God alone is all knowing and present everywhere.

Very good point!

 

[Mink57]

not only that, but if Mary and saints could hear prayers it would be attributing omniscience and omnipresence to them. God alone is all knowing and present everywhere.

What's bolded doesn't even make sense. Yes, God is all knowing and present everywhere. But just because Mary and the saints can hear prayers doesn't make them all knowing and present everywhere.

Not sure how you made that leap from them being able to hear prayer to being omniscience and omnipresent.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And of course you have NO verses showing where the Lord instructs anybody to pray to mary (idolatry) or to contact the dead (necromancy)... sad, very dad for you catholics. The verses you say I should read say NOTHING bout this.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.
Jesus said nobody can contact the Father except directly thru Him

That is a LIE.
Jesus NEVER said that.

He said:
“No one comes through the Father except THROUGH ME” (John 14:6).

When you ask a friend or a loved one to pray FOR you – you are asking them to pray for you IN CHRIST – NOT by their own power.
When we ask a saint in heaven to pray for us – it is THOUGH CHRIST.

As for “praying” to them – “Pray” simply means to ASK:
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary defines “Pray” as follows:

Pray
verb \ˈprā\
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

Don’t let your ignorance prevent you from taking part in the Communion of Saints
We are ALL called to be intercessors (James 5:16, 1 John 5:16). . . .

John 16:26
At that day YOU shall ask in My Name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

Jesus says we are to pray directly to the Father in His name... He's not going to pay to God fir us, and neither is anybody else.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and IDOLATERS, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

If you don't stop being an idolator, you will spend eternity in heLL.... so repent, turn away from the false doctrine of the catholics, and get born again by calling upon the Lord Jesus directly!... cut out the middle men and the middle mary lady.

You are a hypocrite because YOU pray for people and YOU ask them to pray for YOU.
That’s what the Body of Christ is supposed to do, Einstein.

Tell me – when did Mary and all of the other saints in Heaven get kicked out of the Body of Christ??
Show me the Chapter and Verse . . .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What's bolded doesn't even make sense

To those who have been blinded by the false doctrines of the catholics... of course it makes no sense!

Jesus NEVER said that.

Now that's pretty funny right thar, I don't care who ya'are!

Claiming a direct quote from Jesus is untrue!

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

 

[Phoneman777]

Here's the thing though, Phoneman. Catholics are not Sola Scriptura. The Bible has gone through many changes since the first word of the Bible was committed to writing. Letters were written...copies were made...other writings that used to be read in churches and distributed are no longer. The Didache is one of those manuscripts. While it was included in the reading of the first few centuries, it was later dismissed...only because true authorship could not be determined.

The book of Isaiah was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls almost 100% intact, and it says the exact same thing as my KJV says in English. The Bible has been miraculously PRESERVED by God and what we have in our hands today can be safely regarded as "the Word of God". As for the NT, the Byzantian Family MSS is vastly larger than and exclusively reliable, compared to the corrupt Alexandrian Family MSS and the corrupt Western MSS.

Also, the early church fathers had much to write on the matter. Clement, Tertullian, Caius, Origen...and a whole host of others who recognize Peter as the first Pope.

Even if they did recognize him, that's inconsequential. The question is, does the Bible recognize him - absolutely not. The real "Peter" to which catholicism points is "Simon Magus".

While Peter could be seen as a “problem child”, he also had the most zeal for the faith...AND, he was the FIRST to recognize Christ as the Messiah...the Son of God. Christ even said (I'm paraphrasing) that Peter wouldn't know that unless it was revealed to him by the Father...

Andrew, not Peter, was the first to recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Andrew told Peter "we have found the Messiah!"

...which is probably why Christ said that Peter would be the 'rock'.

Christ called Peter a "small stone of instability" - hardly an approbation worthy of "the first pope".

However, Jesus referred to Peter's confession as "a giant stone of immense proportion".

I don't understand why catholics ignore this - their claim that this passage points to Peter as "the rock" is like me saying "I've got a 12" black and white and upon this giant, mega pixel, IMAX screen behemoth, I'm going to watch the Superbowl".

After Jesus was resurrected, he told Peter to “feed his lambs...tend his sheep...feed his sheep.” Jesus called himself the “good shepherd”; now entrusting the care of his “flock” to Peter.

Yes, Peter denied Him three times, and Jesus gave him an opportunity to confess Him three times, is all we see here. Paul says the exact same thing in Acts 20, so he must be "the first pope" too.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. While the RCC sees Peter as the “rock” which the RCC would be built, it in no way “ignored” Paul's contributions. The RCC sees both Peter AND Paul as instrumental in forming the basis of forming church.

I'm not saying they're ignoring Paul's contributions, but they certainly fail to appreciate and esteem Paul's contributions which were far more than that of Peter.

In order to appreciate what we read and HOW we read the Bible TODAY, we kinda got get into the mindset of the people from yesteryear...

...about 2000+ years ago.

I sometimes wonder how many of the Apostles would rolling around in their graves right now while saying, "That's NOT what I meant!"

Some Catholics included.

Sola Scriptura is the only way to go. The Bible repeatedly says God ensures that His Word is preserved, yet as far as the "word of man" and popes is concerned, the Bible makes no such declaration.

 

[Phoneman777]

Faith "Alone", as taught by Martiin Luther is an anti-Biblical cincept that cannot be supported by Scripture.

It is fully Biblical. We have no need for earthly mediators - we need only to put our faith in Christ's shed blood which takes away the sins of those who trust in Him.

Christ is my High Priest and I can go "boldly to the throne of grace" - I don't need Mary, the pope, dead catholics who are regarded as "catholic saints", etc. They can't help anyone - they're dead and awaiting the resurrection.

This is NOT a teaching of the Catholic Church - but an aberrant belief.

Is anyone getting into heaven who refuses to acknowledge the supreme authority of the pope over the church?

I think you've confused "aberrant" with "official catholic position".

Some SDAs are homosexual. Others are fornicators.
Does that mean that SDA teaches homosexuality and fornication??

Homosexuality is considered sin and not condoned as one of our core tenets of faith.

The Holy Spirit is SPIRIT, not flesh and blood.

The Holy Spirit is God - Jesus is God. That's why He sent the Holy Spirit to be His representative.

The pope ain't god, as evidenced by all these centuries of rotting pope corpses in the ground.

 

[Phoneman777]

Technically that is correct..

If a death row inmate turns over a new leaf and decides to shine floors and shoes and belt buckles for the guards, how much shining up of those things must he do before they release him from death row?

He could shine them until the cows come home, but the only way he's leaving prison is in a body bag.

Likewise, we can't do a thing to merit salvation - we must trust Jesus ALONE for it. Good works are merely outward evidence of inward conversion, and the lack thereof is the outward proof of no inward change.

 

[Phoneman777]

You have perverted the Scriptures to fit your mold.
The symbolisms in Revelation are POLYVALENT and don't simply refer to ONE thing.

No, I've not perverted a thing. John got the vision of Revelation 17 long after Jerusalem was nothing but a black spot on the ground. Revelation 17 depicts the catholic "woman" riding the secular "state" to which she handed over millions and millions of innocent Christians to be executed.

The papacy is the "beast" which will be cast into the Lake of Fire along with the Apostate "False Prophet" Protestantism and the New Age "dragon" Religion which mirrors catholicism.

The point is that there was ONE High Priest.
There was the Ministerial Priesthood.
There was the Priesthood of the Laity.

I've already shown you that the High Priest was part of the Levitical Priesthood. The only other "priesthood" was the laypeople. Only two.

Who is "DB" - and why do you kjeep referring to me as that?

"Dead Bread" - the wafer that catholic priests place in the bird mouths of the catholic faithful. It's as dead as the dead popes of old. Christ alone is the "Bread of Life", not round "sun god" wafers.

Funnt hoiw the ONLY places where this "quote" can be found are SDA and other anti-Catholic sites.
NONE of them, however, show this to be an official teaching of the Catholic Church.

I could just as eaily quote an anti-SDA site - of which there are PLENTY - with equally-idiotic manure

It's from the catechism, DB. If it's not Impramatar worthy, why does the church not excommunicate those who publish it is it's "heresy"?

No, I'm afraid it's full on catholic dogma.

 

[Phoneman777]

I realize that you;ve been indoctrinated by all this false E,G. White nonsnese - but the Church has never taught that the Pope or anybosy else is "above" the Word of God.

"Sunday is our MARK (mark?) of authority. The church is ABOVE the Bible and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact". - (The Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Sept. 1, 1923)

Speaks for itself.

STUDY your Bible.
Jesus also says that the Church is HIM on earth (Acts 9:4-5, Eph. 1:22-23).

He gave the leaders of His Church supreme Authority on earth - that WHATEVER they bind or loose on earth woyuld be boubd and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23).

Yes, with regard to administration of church discipline - unless you can point to where Scripture says "the judgment seat of the pope" in Scripture. My Bible says that belongs to Christ.

This is why Paul wrote:
1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

You know I showed you this has to do with church administration, where's there's going to be chiefs and indians.

It's preposterous to extrapolate this to mean "pope is supreme, bishops are sub-supreme, priests are bishop wanna bees, and they all have the power to keep you out of heaven".

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

YOU pray for people and YOU ask them to pray for YOU

Yeah, I pray for people that are STILL HERE ON EARTH.... and I ask people to pray for me that are STILL HERE ON EARTH

You have no authorization from the Lord to pray to or thru the dead... those that have died, left their body and are no longer alive here on Club Earth! One has to twist scripture to claim God said to do this.

when did Mary and all of the other saints in Heaven get kicked out of the Body of Christ??

When did Jesus or His Apostles teach anybody to pray to mary and the saints?
Chapter and verse.,... and NO scripture twisting! So far all you got is scripture twisting galore!

The real "Peter" to which catholicism points is "Simon Magus".

also known as Simon the Sorcerer or Simon the Magician

the catholiks really need to stop this witchcraft bidness!

Likewise, we can't do a thing to merit salvation - we must trust Jesus ALONE

God's Word teaches we are called to obedience which is not earning salvation, it is answering the call to salvation.

After getting born again, if one was after the flesh (sin) they going to hell because they are rebellious and are refusing to be led by the Holy Ghost... feel free to jump in the OSAS is false doctrine threads for more scripture proving this.

 

[Mink57]

"Sunday is our MARK (mark?) of authority. The church is ABOVE the Bible and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact". - (The Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Sept. 1, 1923)

Speaks for itself.

No, it doesn't. The quote you're referring to appears in an article on page four in The Catholic Record titled, "SABBATH OBSERVANCE". However, there is no byline. If there's no byline, it's assumed that the article was written by one of the editors as an opinion piece. An editor's opinion from a small-town newspaper written 100 years ago is hardly what would be considered, "authoritative."

Oh, and just so you know, the part that you quoted, "Sunday is our MARK of authority." does not appear anywhere in the article, nor in the entire newspaper, for that matter.

BreadOfLife is correct in saying, "...but the Church has never taught that the Pope or anybody else is "above" the Word of God." A writer/editor from a 100 year old newspaper article is not the "Church", nor is he an authoritative representative of the "Church."

(Sources: The Catholic Record, September 1, 1923

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Yes, with regard to administration of church discipline - unless you can point to where Scripture says "the judgment seat of the pope" in Scripture. My Bible says that belongs to Christ.

You know I showed you this has to do with church administration, where's there's going to be chiefs and indians.

It's preposterous to extrapolate this to mean "pope is supreme, bishops are sub-supreme, priests are bishop wanna bees, and they all have the power to keep you out of heaven".

 

[BreadOfLife]

Now that's pretty funny right thar, I don't care who ya'are!

Claiming a direct quote from Jesus is untrue!

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

Apparently, you FORGOT what yuou said:
YOU claimed:
"Jesus said nobody can contact the Father except DIRECTLY thru Him"

This is FALSE.
If I ask someone to pray FOR me - then I am not going "Directly" through Jesus.
I am asking a member of the Body to go through Him. This is the very definbition of "intercession".

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yeah, I pray for people that are STILL HERE ON EARTH.... and I ask people to pray for me that are STILL HERE ON EARTH

You have no authorization from the Lord to pray to or thru the dead... those that have died, left their body and are no longer alive here on Club Earth! One has to twist scripture to claim God said to do this.

Funny – where does the Bible state that those who are un the presence of Almighty God in Heaven “DEAD”??
They are more alive that YOU are because they have been made perfect in Christ. YOU’RE still being worked on.

Did you ever hear of the Transfiguration??
I suggest you read about it . . ..
(Luke 9:28-36, Mark 9:2-7, John 1:14, John 17:5, 2 Peter 1:16-18)

When did Jesus or His Apostles teach anybody to pray to mary and the saints?
Chapter and verse.,... and NO scripture twisting! So far all you got is scripture twisting galore!

Are YOU claiming that ONLY what is written in the Bible is true??

Shoe where the Bible teaches the Protestant concepts of -
- Sola Scriptura (Scripture ALONE)
- Sola Fide (Faith ALONE)
- Accepting Jesus a “Personal Lord and Savior”
- Altar Calls
- A Pre-Millennial “Rapture”
- Perspicuity of Scripture

When you show me the Biblical proof for these things – then, you can pontificate about “Chapter and Verse” . . .