Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

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BreadOfLife

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John's not referring to Jerusalem, but to the great "falling away" apostasy which entered into Christianity. The church of the early centuries gradually became more and more corrupt, until finally this culminated into full blown apostasy when it united with the secular state (what Protestants refer to as "the papacy") in 538 A.D. to persecute Christians for "heresy" during the prophesied period of the 1,260 "days" (years), 538 A.D. - 1798 A.D.
You are conflating the term “apostasy” with a specific event.
Apostasy is the renunciation of once-held beliefs. “Apostate” Jerusalem refers to the people who murdered the prophets and killed Jesus.

This doesn’t involved every single Jew – but the religious and political system that ruled Israel.

The Protestant Reformation exposed the catholic church of that time as "antichrist" due to the church's own claim that it "takes the place of Christ" in matters of forgiveness, salvation, blessing appropropriation, eucharist, confessional, etc. Today, sincere catholics are blinded by papal leadership to the sweet simplicity of salvation by grace through faith alone - wholly apart from any illegitimate catholic intercessory priesthood. Paul says our High Priest is our intercessor, and His throne to which we all may approach "boldly" without need of any Earthly intercessor.
ONE problem:
The Bible doesn’t teach this fallacy.

As for an “illegitimate” priesthood – that’s NOT what the Bible teaches.
In the Old Testament, there were three levels of Priests:
- The High Priest (Lev. 16, Haggai 1:12-14 S).
- The Levitical/Ministerial Priesthood (Lev. 16).
- The rest of the people were a General priesthood of believers (Exod. 19:6).

In the New Testament, there are also three levels of Priests:
- Jesus, our High Priest (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:22-25)
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The Ministerial Priests (James 5:14-15)
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The General priesthood of all Christians (1 Peter 2:5-9).
In short – you’re DEAD WRONG again . . .

Some Protestants, especially ex-catholics, claim all catholics will go to hell, which is wrong. The SDA church never preaches such foolishness. Paul plainly says God "winks" at ignorance, and any sincere catholic who's only been told by his corrupt leadership that he must confess his sins to another sinful man in priestly garb, or that he must submit to the authority of the pope for salvation apart from singular faith in Christ's atoning blood for the same, is a catholic who is living up to all the light he has been shown and can fully rest in his Lord's mercy.
And that’s why the Catholic Church has always taught the same:
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This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
 

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That's not what I said, DB. I said Rome strove to cultivate a reputation among the ancients as "civilized" which thing in no way precludes the horrific punishments you mentioned. Put down your Strawman 101 coursebook and do a little research and you'll find I'm absolutely correct.
And now, you compound your lies.
THIS ‘is what YOU said

“… the atrocities committed by Pagan Rome against God's people pale in comparison to those of papal Rome.
Pagan Rome - desiring a reputation as "cultured" and "civilized" among the ancients - strove to be as non-violent as possible. Violence against Christians was for the most part done reluctantly, and mostly due to political expediency, until the era of Constantine.”


This is absolute historically-bankrupt nonsense.
The pagan Romans DELIGHTED in murdering Christians. They filled venues like Nero’s Circus and the Colosseum to watch people be torn apart by wild beasts and have their streets lit up with human torches.

When they weren’t butchering Christians, they attended Gladiator matches to watch men murder each other for their “entertainment”.

“Straw man” indeed . . .

False. Gregory had a commemorative coin struck in honor of the massacre, did he not?
Do you expect us to believe that the same leadership that hunted "heretics" like wild animals and had coins struck in commemoration of their murders had nothing to do with the plot to murder them?
WRONG.

Pope Gregory DID celebrate upon hearing the news of the massacre ONLY because ethe king had been spared from a Huguenot conspiracy. THAT is why he had the medal created.

He lamented – even wept at the lives that were
lost
In the same way, John in vision of the future reports on the crimes of the catholic papacy against God and His people in the book of Revelation. Catholicism is indeed the Beast which will be cast into the Lake of Fire along with the False "apostate Protestantism" Prophet and the devil...because all these refuse to make a FULL AND COMPLETE SURRENDER to our Lord Jesus Christ.
WRONG.

YOU stated that Jesus was talking about FUTURE events.
He was NOT, as I have shown., so now you’re
back-pedaling . . .
Catholicism teaches we can be saved by our words, and Apostate Protestantism teaches we can be saved while living impenitently in the filth of sin as long as we "believe".
This is a complete FALLACY. Show me this teaching from the Catechism.
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This is a complete FALLACY. Show me this teaching from the Catechism.
Will you ever stop
lying??
Yup. You're right. Catholicism does NOT teach that we can be saved by our words...or deeds ("works") for that matter.

Nor does it teach that we can be saved by faith ALONE.

But it DOES teach that works/deeds...and even WORDS are important. Revelations teaches us THAT story. So do Christ's words in the Gospels.

It makes no sense to me, that some believe that "belief "is ALL that's needed. Belief isn't some...acknowledgment like...a wink of the eye...shrug of the shoulders. And to go off and do...whatever you want to do...It's not about, "Hey! Christ died for our sins! So now we can keep on sinning, because we're automatically forgiven! Hoorray!"

Nope.
 
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Here's a few more to encourage you that the media in general is not out to get Catholicism. In fact, as I see things, quite the opposite. And these and the ones above, are all older examples. I have several more much newer that confirm a media bias in favour of the Vatican, as opposed to your self imposed victim mentality. IMG_20230928_083336.jpgScreenshot_2021-11-15-20-08-46-29.jpgScreenshot_2022-04-24-18-49-05-82.jpgScreenshot_2021-12-11-13-50-43-31.jpgScreenshot_2022-05-24-10-55-51-15.jpg
 

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This doesn’t involved every single Jew – but the religious and political system that ruled Israel.
Just as the apostasy of the early church didn't involve every Christian or every church, just the leadership and political system in Rome which divorced itself from Christ through spiritual adultery with the kings of the earth. They claimed still to be loyal to Christ, just as the Pharisees and murderers in Jerusalem still claimed to be loyal to YAWEH, in fact, both went on to kill God's true followers believing they were doing God favour, just as Jesus warned they would.
 

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Just as the apostasy of the early church didn't involve every Christian or every church, just the leadership and political system in Rome which divorced itself from Christ through spiritual adultery with the kings of the earth. They claimed still to be loyal to Christ, just as the Pharisees and murderers in Jerusalem still claimed to be loyal to YAWEH, in fact, both went on to kill God's true followers believing they were doing God favour, just as Jesus warned they would.
Oh, geez........................................LOVE God and LOVE others. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. No politics. No 'spiritual foreplay'.
 

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Oh, geez........................................LOVE God and LOVE others. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. No politics. No 'spiritual foreplay'.
KJV Revelation 17:1-2
1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
(15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues)
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Should we tell God that He should just love us, and never mind the dire warnings of judgement and the terrible histories of the church and the state combining to persecute Christians? Please God, don't talk about that stuff, we just want to love.

That whore described above is an apostate system...a church... With global ambitions. (See Revel. 17:18) Women in prophecy are symbols of churches. God uses that metaphor throughout scripture. A whore is an unfaithful church that has apostatized. The reason for the unfaithfulness is illicit union with governments. The rulers of nations, the kings and queens and presidents and emperors giving the church civil power, even armies, to use against heretics. This union of church and state came to fruition in the 6th century after Constantine had abandoned Rome for the East, a couple of centuries previous, leaving Rome in the hands of barbarians. The Pope had no show of establishing his religion, because those barbarians were Aryans, and the Pope did not like Aryans. And they didn't take to him much either, demanding a say in church affairs, making decisions the Pope thought should be his only, even deciding who the next Bishop of Rome should be. Such a situation was untenable for the Pope, so he made a deal with the emperor Justinian. Short story, the emperors armies dispatched with that naughty Aryan brotherhood, and 3 barbarian tribes were no more. Thus was fulfilled Daniels prophecy,
KJV Daniel 7:8
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Anyway, that's how the Papacy got started. A union of church and state, destroying the church's enemies by force of arms, and rejecting God in the process. So began 1000 years of war and persecution.
You don't think we should talk about stuff like that? Because it's happening again. The last 3 popes are no longer interested in controlling Europe. No. They've gone global. And that whore, well, with the help of her Protestant daughters who are now returning to mummy, the future is looking very dire for this world... But, like we've been sayin', God still has people in that system, and is calling them out before it's too late.
KJV Revelation 18:2-5
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Some reckon Babylon is either the literal city come back to life, which is ridiculous. Others think Babylon is Jerusalem. Jerusalem going global? No way. Modern Israel has no such plans. But the Vatican? Well, the Vatican my friend that's a whole different story.
 
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Yup. You're right. Catholicism does NOT teach that we can be saved by our words...or deeds ("works") for that matter.

Nor does it teach that we can be saved by faith ALONE.

But it DOES teach that works/deeds...and even WORDS are important. Revelations teaches us THAT story. So do Christ's words in the Gospels.

It makes no sense to me, that some believe that "belief "is ALL that's needed. Belief isn't some...acknowledgment like...a wink of the eye...shrug of the shoulders. And to go off and do...whatever you want to do...It's not about, "Hey! Christ died for our sins! So now we can keep on sinning, because we're automatically forgiven! Hoorray!"

Nope.
Correct.
Even the DEMONS believe in the truths about God (James 2:19).
 

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Just as the apostasy of the early church didn't involve every Christian or every church, just the leadership and political system in Rome which divorced itself from Christ through spiritual adultery with the kings of the earth.
If you want to believe that Jesus lied about His Church NOT succumbing to darkness (Matt. 16:18) – be my guest.
They claimed still to be loyal to Christ, just as the Pharisees and murderers in Jerusalem still claimed to be loyal to YAWEH, in fact, both went on to kill God's true followers believing they were doing God favour, just as Jesus warned they would.
And how many Catholics were murdered at the hands of Protestants??

Your hypocrisy is
pathetic . . .
 

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All human designed terms.
Anyone who is born again as indicated in scripture is a "Christian".
"Protestant" simply refers to those Christians who reject the Authority of the Catholic Church.
It's not a derogatory term.

As far as it being a "human designated" term - so is "Christian" (Acts 11:26). For that matter - so is "Lutheran", "Baptist", "Presbyterian", "Evangelical", "Non-Denominational", et al.
"Bible" is also a man-made word that is not in Scripture.
 

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The RCC does not disagree with this...

It's not so much that the RCC believes that the Pope himself claims to be 'head'...but that Jesus appointed Peter as the 'head' of the earthly church. Hence, it's (one reason) why the RCC believes in Apostolic succession, and that Peter was the first 'Pope'.

As for his headship being 'equal to/diminished from' Christ's headship, the Pope must obey Christ just like everyone else.
So, which is the head of the church: Jesus or the pope?
 

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Well, look at that!
You do agree that Protestants are Christians.
Finally one step forward. :)
It's all good, BOL.
lol
Anybody who claims that a Baptized Protestat nt is NOT a Christan is dishonest.
We have more in common than not.;)
 
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Wait a sec...Catholics don't believe in "faith ALONE." They never did. "Faith ALONE" is a strictly Protestant thing, and it's one reason WHY the schism happened in the first place.

And, some Catholics claim that ONLY Catholics will go to heaven...

...which is also wrong. The RCC's 'official' stance on WHO will go to heaven or hell is this: That the RCC has no clue WHO will go to heaven or hell. To paraphrase Jesus, "There are tax collectors and prostitutes who are getting into the kingdom of heaven before 'you'." If a Catholic tells you (or anyone, for that matter) are going to hell, they're not very much a Catholic.

There are "massive errors" in ALL denominations. Catholicism certainly doesn't hold a monopoly on the "errors."
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Jesus is (Col. 1:18).

The Pope is His earthly representative (Matt. 16:18-19, Mark 16:7, Luke 22:31-32, John 21:15-19).
Doesn't Jesus Himself say the Holy Spirit is His representative?
 

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Even the DEMONS believe in the truths about God (James 2:19)
The word believe, and the faith required to receive God's blessings, is not that which you suggest is possessed by demons. That's just stupid. They believe in the existence of God. If they believed in God the way we need to, actually having faith in the character of God and through faith acting on the assurance of God character and promised, they would never have believed Lucifer and sided with him in the beginning.
The demons believe in the existence of God, and they knew who Jesus was. But believing in the truths of God? When the demons tell you God going to cast people into eternal torment, thus impugning the character of God, who do you believe? The demons who are liars along with Satan, or the word of God?
 
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