Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[Taken]

Orientation is not a "temptation", is the part of a person's being, his nature. He had NO part in making the choice. His "temptation" is then how he handles his orientation. Is the gay or straight guy promiscuous, violent, abusive in any way in his relationships.

Orientation is about thoughts, interests, inclinations….If that leads the individual to temptations….that is their choice.

 

[Taken]

is that a yes?

Uh, to what specifically?

 

[Wrangler]

"sodomites". In no way does "homosexuals" fit.

So, in your learned opinion sodomy is a type of non-homosexual act. Brilliant!

 

[Arthur81]

It is clearly obvious that persons on this thread no NOTHING about the rules of hermeneutics and what they may know, they ignore because it does not fit their narrative. So, I recommend a free, online textbook on Interpretation -

https://icotb.org/resources/PrinciplesofInterpretation.pdf

I'm not sure how much good this will do for some in this threat, because one of the first requirements given for the interpreter is found on page 13 -

"It is not hoped that any number of axioms and rules of interpretation will compensate the unfortunate interpreter who is lacking in good judgment and sound common sense. Laws of all sciences presuppose ability in him who would use them."

This thread shows one of two reasons why I avoid the modern evangelical translations like the ESV, NASB, NKJV, etc. who have abandoned the solid translations of the KJV, RV, ASV, YLT on 1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim. 1:10, and retranslated with modern terms of psychology that do not fit the Greek! There has been no change in the Greek text to support this shift in meaning.

I've said all I wish to say on this topic, so this reply will be my last. I did not start this OP, but maybe that other reason I avoid the modern evangelical translations I'll use to start a new Thread.

 

[David in NJ]

It is clearly obvious that persons on this thread no NOTHING about the rules of hermeneutics and what they may know, they ignore because it does not fit their narrative. So, I recommend a free, online textbook on Interpretation -

https://icotb.org/resources/PrinciplesofInterpretation.pdf

I'm not sure how much good this will do for some in this threat, because one of the first requirements given for the interpreter is found on page 13 -

"It is not hoped that any number of axioms and rules of interpretation will compensate the unfortunate interpreter who is lacking in good judgment and sound common sense. Laws of all sciences presuppose ability in him who would use them."

This thread shows one of two reasons why I avoid the modern evangelical translations like the ESV, NASB, NKJV, etc. who have abandoned the solid translations of the KJV, RV, ASV, YLT on 1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim. 1:10, and retranslated with modern terms of psychology that do not fit the Greek! There has been no change in the Greek text to support this shift in meaning.

I've said all I wish to say on this topic, so this reply will be my last. I did not start this OP, but maybe that other reason I avoid the modern evangelical translations I'll use to start a new Thread.

TRUE and Accurate hermeneutics must follow this Commandment from God = Deuteronomy 4:1-2, Proverbs 30:5-6, Rev 22:18

For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[David in NJ]

Confusion comes in so many ways. I was born into severe abuse (satanic ritual abuse & MK Ultra) and that involved sexual abuse, traumas, tortures by mostly men, but also women. I was surrounded by abusers all my life and no one was safe.

When I was saved at age 13, I allowed some of my walls down even the tiniest bit and it was a nightmare. My body interpreted any physical closeness or touch as sexual. And I knew I wasn't lesbian. As broken as I was, I always wanted to be a wife and mother and rescue all the abandoned and abused babies in the world (even typing it brings me to tears). But my body didn't know how to interpret a simple hug from a woman in the church. I could have fallen for satan's lies, but God helped me cling to the truth even as a 13 and 14 year old. My body finally learned the difference. It wasn't until I was in my early 30's that I began to have trauma memories flooding back and as I worked through those with the Lord, I understood where the lies were rooted.

You are a very Brave and Courageous woman.

 

[Wrangler]

It is clearly obvious that persons on this thread no NOTHING about the rules of hermeneutics and what they may know, they ignore because it does not fit their narrative.

Gnosticism.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The only way to make malakos mean catamite, homosexual or sodomite is to read into the word out of the minds of the sex obsessed day in which we live. To follow proper hermeneutics, it takes time and effort, if you wish to come to the truth of God!

Okay. I agree with your observation about study time. The question is, what did Paul mean in 1Corinthians 6?

 

[CadyandZoe]

remember that the next time you quote a verse

I shouldn't need to say this but okay. You seem to have forgotten your own point. You complained that people used scripture to justify murder or injury. I didn't do that and I would never do that. Understand?

 

[TLHKAJ]

Orientation is not a "temptation", is the part of a person's being, his nature. He had NO part in making the choice. His "temptation" is then how he handles his orientation. Is the gay or straight guy promiscuous, violent, abusive in any way in his relationships.

I know individuals who have a genuine relationship with Jesus Christ and have taken His Word as truth, and based on TRUTH, have chosen celibacy rather than to violate God's order and commands. So yes, it is in the choice of how to handle temptation and "orientation." Sometimes, God delivers such individuals completely, and sometimes it is like Paul who cried out to God to remove the thorn in his flesh and God said .... "My grace is sufficient."

 

[TLHKAJ]

You are a very Brave and Courageous woman.

@TLHKAJ

You were without doubt come into (as all humans, without the humans own choice) this world with the worst possible situation of distrust of the very people (parents) that were supposed to be your first trusted teachers and protectors…and they failed miserably.

You are a testament to Gods Saving Grace…despite the horrors and tribulations humans can inflict upon humans….the Inflicted, alone, frightened, hopeless, assaulted….HAVE ONE SAVIOR….and Bless YOU abundantly for seeking and discovering and submitting UNTO the Lord God….which completely separates you from they…As Jesus taught there is an “US” and “THEM”…

Your own historical ordeal, and Compassion for other children experiencing your same ordeal is very noble.

God Bless you Abundantly,
Taken

Thank you both. This means a lot to me. I ask your prayers (not intending to divert the subject). God is good. But life is hard. I bear marks in my body of punishments (even ongoing) from those who wish to keep me captive. I need physical healing. But my heart is still healing from the loss of my son, previous babies, and my granddaughter who was stolen 7 years ago.

God is good ....I will not deny that. And I know He has a plan for good that will bring glory to Himself.

I apologize for diverting from the OP.
Blessings to you both.

 

[TinMan]

You cannot believe the words you write; homosexuality most certainly is a behavior.

are you heterosexual all the time or only when you are having sex?

 

[TLHKAJ]

I shouldn't need to say this but okay. You seem to have forgotten your own point. You complained that people used scripture to justify murder or injury. I didn't do that and I would never do that. Understand?

Some people who are unwilling to receive or acknowledge the truth of God, will twist scripture to fit what they want to believe. (See vs 16.)

2 Peter 3:15-18
[15]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[17]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[18]But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[TinMan]

Because of the fallen world we live in, sin has caused people to be born with hormones out of whack, with no identifiable genitalia, or even genitalia of both sexes. DNA testing is the only way to tell someone's true gender in cases like that. And sometimes, bc of a multitude of issues, a person is attracted to the same sex ....it can happen because of neglect, sexual trauma, or sin passed down and visited upon the children to the third and fourth generation.

and what of the millions of gays and lesbians who had loving supportive parents and were never traumatized or abused?

Satan is very good at tricking people who truly believe they are gay/lesbian.

does he trick people into thinking they are hetersexual?

And many who come to Christ will choose celibacy, some have even been healed/delivered of the same sex attraction. I have heard so many testimonies of this very thing.

I've have herd testimonies of people who say they have been abducted by aliens.

 

[CadyandZoe]

are you heterosexual all the time or only when you are having sex?

The term "homosexual" doesn't indicate an innate trait of certain human beings. The term indicates a habitual practice.

 

[TLHKAJ]

does he trick people into thinking they are hetersexual?

Do you even believe God and His Word at all?

 

[Behold]

and what of the millions of gays and lesbians who had loving supportive parents and were never traumatized or abused?

Strawman.

You dont know millions of Gays., but you do love to show up and cheerlead for Abortion rights and Gay sex rights.
We've noticed.

Congrats.

does he trick people into thinking they are hetersexual?

Common sense tells a rational mind that a male and a female are anatomically constructed so that they become one, to produce a baby.

God created male and female.

Homosexual sex can't produce a baby.

The un-rational and deceived mind, says....>"if you find 12 gay apes in a Tropical rain forest, then that proves that Homosexuality is not a choice, and that Humans are "born this way".

See, the un-rational person, devoid of common sense, always tries to prove that the exception is the rule.

"listen, 12% of humanity is Homosexual, so, that means God made them that way".

Actually, no., as Gays dont reproduce, they recruit.

I've have herd testimonies of people who say they have been abducted by aliens.

Your comment, as usual, is about as Legit as The Christ Rejector = Lady GaGa's song "Born this way" become the Nat'l PRIDE anthem.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I've have herd testimonies of people who say they have been abducted by aliens

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything that is being discussed.

I believe those with the testimony of Christ. And sharing our testimony that is in Christ, is part of our weaponry.

Revelation 12:11
[11]And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

 

[TinMan]

Not a BIG surprise, SOME men entertain and ACT on their NATURAL “thoughts, interests, inclinations”….AND DISECT what God Approves and Disapproves….
Suicide okay…murder not okay
Lying okay……suicide not okay
Lying okay……theft not okay
Theft okay……cheating not okay
Adult Homosexual behavior okay…kids not ok

Lying is not OK. ... Lying about LGBT people is OK
Lying and saying that black people are perverts is not OK....Lying and saying that gays are perverts is OK
Comparing the handicapped to child molesters is not OK. ... Comparing homosexuals to child molesters is OK
discrimination is not OK....Unless its discrimination against LGBT people

 

[Behold]

The term "homosexual" doesn't indicate an innate trait of certain human beings. The term indicates a habitual practice.

"gay rights" is actually "gay sex identification" RIGHTS....... as its homosexual sex that is what defines "gay"...