Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

[GeneZ]

Ok, that is one pastor's interpretation.
That is all that is..

Here is how it works.

Adam became a living Soul, because God's Holy Spirit was put into Adam, and this is THE LIFE.
Adam was "dead dirt" shaped into a human form, until God's LIFE was breathed into Adam who then became alive.

Later, Adam bit the apple, and The Spirit of Adam that was Joined to God, Spiritually, was separated from God's.
That is "to die spiritually"....
Its not that the spirit dies, its that it becomes by SIN.... = separated from God's Spirit that is LIFE.
To be disconnected from the LIFE of God, that is God's Spirit, is to DIE spiritually.

Jesus told you that He came to "give you LIFE" and that is Himself, living in you, that is spiritual regeneration. = born again as "one with God".

And that situation... Reader, is why God came here, as virgin born man.
He came to die, so that by this blood and body sacrifice, we can be restored to eternal spiritual union with God, as born again.

If you die, never having been born again, then you died spiritually separated from God and this can't be resolved in Hell, as you can't be born again in Hell.
And.....If someone tells you that you can be born again in hell, or that God will let you out later..., or worst of all that "hell does not exist"....., then tell this deceived worker of iniquity to take the Devil's lie, back to their father, as that is where it came from, originally.

And likewise...

Ok, that is one person's interpretation. Yours.

And . while we are at it? You said....

And that situation... Reader, is why God came here, as virgin born man.

Why a virgin? Could not Jesus have been born of a prostitute and still be sinless?

 

[Behold]

And likewise...


Why a virgin? Could not Jesus have been born of a prostitute and still be sinless?

Jesus, has to be born OUT of the Adamic blood line, as "in adam we all sin"..

So, Christ was created from the Seed of God, by the Holy Spirit.

His BLood is God's, not Mary's, and not any man's.

If you dont know this, .... A.) You dont get your mother's blood, in the womb.
Her blood never touches you, and that is why your Blood Type is your male parent's.


So, Jesus is the SON of GOD, and so, that not a "Son of Adam", (Human).

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus, has to be born OUT of the Adamic blood line, as "in adam we all sin"..

So, Christ was created from the Seed of God, by the Holy Spirit.

His BLood is God's, not Mary's, and not any man's.

If you dont know this, .... A.) You dont get your mother's blood, in the womb.
Her blood never touches you, and that is why your Blood Type is your male parent's.


So, Jesus is the SON of GOD, and so, that not a "Son of Adam", (Human).

You crossed over and confused the issue with blood being the issue. Its interesting to know.
But its not the blood that makes one a sinner.

 

[Behold]

You crossed over and confused the issue with blood being the issue. Its interesting to know.
But its not the blood that makes one a sinner.

Life is in the blood and so is sin.

"In Adam we all sin, we all die"....and that is because every human is tied to Adam's blood line.

The "adamic nature" is related to Adam, Adam's sin, and being a part of Adam's blood line.
Christ was not "of Adam's blood line".

Christ is the 2nd Adam, whose BLOOD is God's.
The Born again are of Christ's Blood, as the born again are "in Christ" by spiritual birth.
The born again are cleansed from all sin by the BLOOD of JESUS.

Here is another mystery for you to figure out... @GeneZ

Everything with God is "covenant" and "blood" related.

If you are born again, its because God as Christ shed His BLOOD for your sin.

 

[GeneZ]

Life is in the blood and so is sin.

It only says the life of the *animal* is in its blood. Not man.

​

Leviticus 17:11​

​

For the life (the animal) is in the blood, and I have given it for you upon the altar ​

to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement, by reason ​

of the life [which it represents]​

The life of a human is in his soul.
Our soul goes to heaven.
Not our blood.

grace and peace .............

 

[Behold]

It only says the life of the *animal* is in its blood. Not man.

The life of a human is in his soul. Our soul goes to heaven. Not our blood.

""For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you""

A.) you are flesh

The "you" in the verse, is talking to you.

 

[GeneZ]

""For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you""

A.) you are flesh

The "you" in the verse, is talking to you.

From God's perspective as found in the Word we must learn to see ourselves.

I am not my flesh since I have been saved!

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who
loved me and gave Himself for me. " Galatians 2:20

grace and peace ............

 

[GeneZ]

""For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you""

A.) you are flesh

The "you" in the verse, is talking to you.

He has given the animal to us to represent a higher reality.

Why can't you see that?

When he said... "this is my blood?"

Did that mean he has grape juice in his veins???

 

[Behold]

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;

You changed the discussion.

So, no prob.

As the born again, are absolutely a ""new creation in Christ".

There is no blood in a born again Spirit.

 

[Behold]

He has given the animal to us to represent a higher reality.

Um.....

 

[keithr]

His BLood is God's, not Mary's, and not any man's.

But God is spirit (John 4:24) - He doesn't have any blood; blood is part of God's physical creation. As you said in post #389, "There is no blood in a born again Spirit".

The blood that Adam had was perfect blood, but it was not God's blood. Although Luke 3:38 says that Adam was the son of God, Adam was created, not begotten. Jesus is the only begotten son of God - all other sons of God (including Adam) were created by God's Son, Jesus. The blood that Jesus' human body was born with was perfect blood, but it was not God's blood - it was created by God. Hebrews 10:5 (WEB):

(5) Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, “Sacrifice and offering you didn’t desire, but you prepared a body for me.​

 

[Behold]

But God is spirit (John 4:24) -

Get rid of the bible.

Find a real bible that says..."God is A Spirit".

See, if the "bible" does not make the distinction between God as A Spirit, (The Holy Spirit), vs.... the spirit in a dog, or in SATAN, or in an unbeliever, .... then your " bible" is going to keep you away from important doctrine.

Get a real one.

 

[keithr]

Get rid of the bible.

No way!

Find a real bible that says..."God is A Spirit".

Whether an English translation of the Bible renders John 4:24 as "spirit" or "a spirit" is irrelevant to the argument, as in either case, spirit or a spirit, it does not have any blood.

See, if the "bible" does not make the distinction between God as A Spirit, (The Holy Spirit), vs.... the spirit in a dog, or in SATAN, or in an unbeliever, .... then your " bible" is going to keep you away from important doctrine.

Get a real one.

The Pulpit Commentary says:

God is Spirit (Πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός; cf. John 1:1, Θεὸς η΅ν ὁ Λόγος, - the article indicates the subject, and the predicate is here generic, and not an indefinite; therefore we do not render it, "God is a Spirit").​

Bible.org says:

God is spirit. There is no article in the Greek text before the word spirit, and that emphasizes the quality or essence of the word. Furthermore, the word spirit occurs first in the sentence for emphasis. The literal idea would be something like, “Absolutely spirit in His essence is God.” Jesus did not leave any doubt about this truth. God is spirit!​

Vincent's Word Studies says:

God is a Spirit (πνεῦμα ὁ Θεός)​

Or, as Rev., in margins, God is spirit. Spirit is the emphatic word; Spirit is God. The phrase describes the nature, not the personality of God. Compare the expressions, God is light; God is love (1Jn_1:5; 1Jn_4:8).​

 

[Behold]

John 4:24 as "spirit" or "a spirit" is irrelevant to the argument,

Not if you are a real student of the word.

See, God is not the spirit in a Dog.
God is not the spirit in the Devil.

God is the HOLY Spirit, and a real bible makes this distinction, as "God is A Spirit'

Not just 'spirit".

So, when the book you are using does not recognize God's Holy Spirit, and equates the HS to "spirit" = ANY....... then that bible is ready to be put away.

Check also.... 1 Timothy 3:16

Does it say "GOD was manifested" or does it has "HE was manifested"?

If it says "HE"< get rid of that book.

Get a real Bible.

 

[keithr]

Not if you are a real student of the word.

See, God is not the spirit in a Dog.
God is not the spirit in the Devil.

As I said, it makes no difference to the argument that God does not have any blood.

Check also.... 1 Timothy 3:16

Does it say "GOD was manifested" or does it has "HE was manifested"?

If it says "HE"< get rid of that book.

Get a real Bible.

It should say "He" or "who", or "He who". 1 Timothy 3:16 (ESV):

(16) Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.​

Can God be justified/vindicated and then taken up in glory? It's surely talking about Jesus, not God. The Cambridge Bible Notes says:

God was manifest in the flesh] The controversy is well known which has so long prevailed as to the original reading; whether the passage should begin ‘God’ or ‘who’: the Greek abbreviated form of writing ‘God’ being very like the Greek for ‘who,’ ΘΣ and οσ. Since the minute inspection of the Alexandrine ms. by Bps Lightfoot, Ellicott, and others, there is no doubt of its original reading being ‘who,’ as is also the reading of א, and all the Versions older than the 7th century, of Origen, Epiphanius, Jerome, Theodore, and Cyril. The neuter relative is indeed found in one uncial ms. (D1) in the It. and Vulg. and in all the Latin Fathers except Jerome, a correction apparently to make it agree with the neuter word mustךrion. The support of mss., Versions and Fathers is comparatively weak for ‘God’: while ‘it is a most significant fact that in the Arian controversy, no one of the Catholic champions except Gregory of Nyssa produces this passage, though it would have been their strong weapon.’ All the evidence preponderates in favour of a relative masc. or neut., and it seems incredible that θσ should have been altered into οσ because of the difficulty of the reading. Moreover it is difficult to understand how it could be said that God was justified in spirit or seen of angels or received up in glory. We take the reading ‘who’ unhesitatingly, and refer it to ‘an omitted though easily recognised antecedent, viz. Christ.’ The Person is implied in the Mystery. In Col_1:27, He is expressly called ‘this mystery among the Gentiles.’ In order to bring out the personal reference contained in the word ‘mystery’ as followed by the masculine relative, we must render in English with R.V. the mystery of godliness; He who. The abruptness and the rhythmical parallelism of the passage have been very probably accounted for by supposing it to be part of one of the earliest of the Christian creeds or hymns; as in Eph_5:14, ‘Wherefore he saith “Awake thou that sleepest” ’ where the words cannot be referred to any known passages of Holy Scripture. Westcott and Hort in their new critical edition of the Greek Testament have arranged the lines in both places according to this explanation; here in two divisions, the first two clauses in each pointing to earthly, the third to heavenly relation:—​

​

‘He Who was manifested in the flesh,​

Was justified in His spirit,​

Was shewn to the angels,​

Was proclaimed among the nations,​

Was believed on in the world,​

Was taken up in glory.’​

​

The clauses have been however divided by Fairbairn and others into pairs; the first pair describing Christ’s human nature—in flesh manifested as true man, in spirit judged or approved as sinless man ‘fulfilling all righteousness’; the second pair recording the revelation of Himself by sight to the angels, by preaching to the Gentiles—the highest and the lowest of His subjects; the third pair closing with the acceptance of Himself by faith below, by ascension into glory above. We may shew something perhaps of the rhythmical effect thus for modern ears:​

​

‘Who in flesh was manifested,​

Pure in spirit was attested;​

By angels’ vision witnessed,​

Among the nations heralded;​

By faith accepted here,​

Received in glory there!’​

​

‘Manifested in the flesh’ is the first part of the statement of the Incarnation; ‘an historical appearance of One Who had previously existed but had been kept from the knowledge of the world’; the flesh, the material part of Christ’s human nature being the sphere of His manifestation. ‘Justified in the spirit’ is the second part; His spirit, the highest portion of the immaterial part of His human nature, is the sphere of His justification; the challenge which He made to the Jews, ‘Which of you convicteth Me of sin’ was one which He could make to His own conscience. He was justified when it spake and clear when it judged (Rom_3:4; Psa_51:4). See Dr Plummer, Pastoral Epistles, pp. 135 sqq.​

 

[GeneZ]

Get rid of the bible.

Find a real bible that says..."God is A Spirit".

See, if the "bible" does not make the distinction between God as A Spirit, (The Holy Spirit), vs.... the spirit in a dog, or in SATAN, or in an unbeliever, .... then your " bible" is going to keep you away from important doctrine.

Get a real one.

God's essence is spirit. That is why it says God is spirit.

You totally missed the point.

 

[Behold]

God's essence is spirit. That is why it says God is spirit.

You totally missed the point.

God's essence is HOLINESS, so as "God is A Spirit", that is "The Holy Spirit".

Listen,

When the bible says we are to be """"filled with the Spirit"""", or born again by ""the Spirit"",..... that is not "general spirit".

When David said...>"Take not thy Holy Spirit from me"......He's not talking about "general spirit".

Not at all.

That is a Specific SPIRIT....

This one..

A.) The HOLY Spirit.

And that one is not in the DEVIL, nor is it in a UNBELIEVER, or a Dog, Cat, or Ape.

 

[GeneZ]

God's essence is HOLINESS, so as "God is A Spirit", that is "The Holy Spirit".

Listen,

When the bible says we are to be """"filled with the Spirit"""", or born again by ""the Spirit"",..... that is not "general spirit".

When David said...>"Take not thy Holy Spirit from me"......He's not talking about "general spirit".

Not at all.

That is a Specific SPIRIT....

This one..

A.) The HOLY Spirit.

And that one is not in the DEVIL, nor is it in a UNBELIEVER, or a Dog, Cat, or Ape.

I am going to try to use your line of reasoning.


It says, the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit."

Is not the Father "spirit?"
But we also have the Holy Spirit.
Is that to mean the Father is not Holy?

God created nephesh (souls) for the animals in Genesis One.
Does that mean we are animals because we have a soul?

The word "spirit" is like we use the word 'liquid.'
Water and gasoline are both liquids.

Does that mean you will drink both water and gasoline because you are not able to differentiate?

Man and animals are soul.
Angels and God are spirit.

Soul and spirit are a "type" of essence.

 

[keithr]

God created nephesh (souls) for the animals in Genesis One.
Does that mean we are animals because we have a soul?

Yes, we are animals:

Gen 1:24 (Darby):

(24) And God said, Let the earth bring forth living souls after their kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth, after their kind. And it was so.​

Gen 2:7 (WEB):

(7) Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.​

Eccliastes 3:18-19 (WEB):

(18) I said in my heart, “As for the sons of men, God tests them, so that they may see that they themselves are like animals.​

(19) For that which happens to the sons of men happens to animals. Even one thing happens to them. As the one dies, so the other dies. Yes, they have all one breath; and man has no advantage over the animals: for all is vanity.​

 

[Behold]

I am going to try to use your line of reasoning.


It says, the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit."

Trinity

Is not the Father "spirit?"

The Holy Spirit

Does that mean we are animals because we have a soul?

"animals" are not created in "our Image". = (God and Word)

The word "spirit" is like we use the word 'liquid.'

The Holy Spirit..

Not "spirit".

The Devil has a spirit., and it not the Holy Spirit
Unbelievers have a spirit, and its not the Holy Spirit

Water and gasoline are both liquids.

Stars and Sky are both above your head.

Does that mean you will drink both water and gasoline because you are not able to differentiate?

You are making a distinction between liquids, and a REAL bible made THE distinction between God's Holy Spirit and "spirit"

Man and animals are soul.

Body
Soul
Spirit

Man is "tripart"

The : Soul is the mind, will, emotions

Angels and God are spirit.

God is the Holy Spirit