Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?
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Behold
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Read John 1:10
It tells you who created the World.
Its this same one... Colossians 1:16
Notice this...
God SPOKE creation into existence. God said..>"let there BE".... and it all appeared.
Notice that this is God speaking?
And Jesus is the WORD who was God.... John 1.
So, that is God speaking Creation into existence...., and the pre-incarnate Jesus is the WORD manifested in the flesh., virgin born.
Do you see it yet, @Grailhunter ?
If comprehending the Word of God depended upon human IQ?
God would be unfair.
God's Word is all about spiritual IQ, - not human IQ.
God knowing the hearts of men will deliberately refuse some the ability to see with the eyes of their heart.
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’ Mat 13:15
So don't blame yourself when someone continues to refuse/fail to see.
You can be doing a perfect job in presentation and it would not be your fault.
Proverbs 12:1 holds the key to the dilemma.
"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid."
We who are regenerate each from our own volition determines the final outcome in our handling of the Word of God.
For God gives grace to the humble believer.
grace and peace .................
Behold
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WE can't make anyone Believe, and God does not make anyone believe.
God is not looking for Robots or Hand Puppets.
If the Child of God, will "study to show yourself approved unto God", and get a good teacher, then they can find all the need to be exactly what God needs them to become.
A.) Full of the word and ready to fight the good fight of faith.
Paul told us that we are in a spiritual warfare, we are soldiers, and we are going to meet resistance to the TRUTH that we represent and proclaim.
Often the worst fight a real christian will ever have, is with their own family members, or against fake christians, and doctrines of devils.
Grailhunter
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So you think that they crucified God the Father and the Holy Spirit to the cross.
And when Christ said on the cross “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?” Was He talking to Himself and note He was taking to His God or is He His own God?
And after His Baptism As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” Was God Pleased with Himself And note He did not say There I am and I am! An I am pleased with myself!
And....For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son.....Did He give Himself and did He begot Himself...?
The Father and is greater than I.
We can do this all day there are over a hundred scriptures that show three Gods and that there is God Father and God Son and the Son asends to the Father.
The scriptures are there for all to see......no secret.....no mystery.
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Behold
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Look at this.. carefully..
"God is A Spirit"
"Christ is THAT Spirit".
also..
Gen 2.. "God Breathed into Adam",, the Holy Spirit.
John 20:22, "Jesus BREATHED on the Apostles and said, receive the Holy Spirit".
A.) Only God can give the Holy Spirit, because only God IS A Spirit.....The Holy Spirit.
"Christ IS.. THAT... Spirit".
"""Christ in you""""... is...the believer become "the temple of the Holy Spirit".
Grailhunter
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Do you think I do not know these scriptures? LOL
And I know you know the scriptures I gave you....
The thing is to look at the whole.
Most of the churches I go to they believe in the one God formula for the Trinity.....I am not that worried about it.
If you believe in Christ and are a good Christian you are Heaven bound whether you believe they are one or that they are three as a Godhead. The early Christians knew very little and they were saved. And we can know all we can know but still it is far less than what God knows.
Now you can keep tossing scripture and I can do the same and I guarantee you I have more than you have.
Because they're not doers of the word.
Bible scholarship is one thing, Knowing Jesus and doing His doctrine is entirely another.
All we have is a bunch of scholars shedding any pretense to the faith of Jesus.
It's actually quite good and refreshing for the churches of God.
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Yet, its God who makes people "able" to believe.
And, God knowing what they think in their hearts may refuse to enable them.
God does not make us believe.
God, according what a person wishes to think about themself, makes us "able" to believe. Or, refuses to enable.
But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says:
“God opposes the proud
but shows favor to the humble.”
Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
james 4:6-7
Behold
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That is meaningless.
What matters is the revelation that the Holy Spirit imparts., and once you have that, regarding those scriptures, then, we'll be in agreement.
What you have, is MAN's training.... You have been taught. You are only teaching what you have been taught.
What i do, for you, is connect the scriptural dots, in a way that is the revelation.
See, i dont just quote random verses..
I show you how to see them., and that is why you have, but, its because you are so indoctrinated, that you are going to struggle.
So, its good that you have the true teaching now, as this is seed.
God works with those.
I say there's always one reason for unbelief in Jesus and His words. Unrepented sinning.
Excellent way to put it. I like it. It's ridiculous to say that only Christians believe there is one God. Muslims believe the same thing. Some pagan philosophers arrived at the same conclusion.
By reversing the question, do we have to believe in God to be a Christian, we see that's not true with some so called Christian Bible scholars.
And so being a Christian is not the purpose nor the answer, but being a lover and faithful follower of Jesus. That begins with repenting of sinning.
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Behold
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Everyone is able to believe, as everyone has the right of choice.
"free will".
Not everyone will believe and be born again, and Hell is waiting.
Not exactly...
Here is why.
If you have 14 teenage boys, on the back row, on a Sunday morning... and all are good friends.
They are of the same mind.
They are teens, they are filled with hormones, they are oblivious to God.
God does not say...."""""Eeny, meeny, miny, moe"""" I think i'll choose the 4th one from the end to trust me today".
No.
He has not "pre-destined the 4th one from the end" to be saved, today.
What God does, is keep the call always calling.
The Cross is always CALLING... calling....calling the unbelievers.
Grailhunter
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What I have is the Bible....Old and New Testament and I will go one on one with you anytime.
Like I said there are over a hundred scriptures that show God the Father and God the Son interacting in the New Testament and defines them and the Holy Spirit as Three.
And my training....is from the Word of God and I can share a lot of it with you.
My pastor who taught us from the Hebrew showed us something many do not get to learn.
The Lord breathed into Adam's nostrils his "human spirit" and soul.
The Hebrew does not say breath of life.
Its plural.
"Breath of lives." (human spirit and soul)
Here is an example: Why does Genesis 2:7 read חַיִּ֑ים plural rather than singular
Agree.
If only beings with lungs have "the breath of life", then fish and insects cannot die.
Or maybe they aren't actually alive? - LOL
The human spirit and a soul were not air for the lungs....
The real human life is in the soul.
The real life for the soul is a human spirit.
That is why it says, "he became a living soul."
Air is only for the temporary physical body.
As Jesus is God the Son and as a Christian believes/trusts in what Jesus has done, then yes belief in God is essential to be a Christian.
Behold
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Ok, that is one pastor's interpretation.
That is all that is..
Here is how it works.
Adam became a living Soul, because God's Holy Spirit was put into Adam, and this is THE LIFE.
Adam was "dead dirt" shaped into a human form, until God's LIFE was breathed into Adam who then became alive.
Later, Adam bit the apple, and The Spirit of Adam that was Joined to God, Spiritually, was separated from God's.
That is "to die spiritually"....
Its not that the spirit dies, its that it becomes by SIN.... = separated from God's Spirit that is LIFE.
To be disconnected from the LIFE of God, that is God's Spirit, is to DIE spiritually.
Jesus told you that He came to "give you LIFE" and that is Himself, living in you, that is spiritual regeneration. = born again as "one with God".
And that situation... Reader, is why God came here, as virgin born man.
He came to die, so that by this blood and body sacrifice, we can be restored to eternal spiritual union with God, as born again.
If you die, never having been born again, then you died spiritually separated from God and this can't be resolved in Hell, as you can't be born again in Hell.
And.....If someone tells you that you can be born again in hell, or that God will let you out later..., or worst of all that "hell does not exist"....., then tell this deceived worker of iniquity to take the Devil's lie, back to their father, as that is where it came from, originally.
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I did not admit that I do not understand those verses. You're lying!
I knew my mother, and I could explain to you what she was like, but that does not mean that I am my mother. Likewise, Jesus said he knew his Father, and he revealed to his disciples what his Father, who was also his God, was like, but that does not mean that Jesus was God. You really have to twist and change the verse to make it mean that!
Are we supposed to believe that Jesus was/is God? That's not what Philip taught when was told to explain the Scriptures to the eunuch:
Act 8:29-38 (MKJV):
(29) Then the Spirit said to Philip, Go near and join yourself to this chariot.
(30) And Philip ran there to him and heard him read the prophet Isaiah, and said, Do you indeed understand what you are reading?
(31) And he said, How can I unless some man should guide me? And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him.
(32) And the content of the Scripture which he read was this: "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter, and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so He opened not His mouth.
(33) In His humiliation His judgment was taken away, and who shall declare His generation? For His life is taken from the earth."
(34) And the eunuch answered Philip and said, I beg you, of whom does the prophet speak this? Of himself or of some other man?
(35) Then Philip opened his mouth and began at the same Scripture and preached the gospel of Jesus to him.
(36) And as they passed along the way, they came on some water. And the eunuch said, See, here is water, what hinders me from being baptized?
(37) Philip said, If you believe with all your heart, it is lawful. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
(38) And he commanded the chariot to stand still. And they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch. And he baptized him.
Similarly Paul taught that Jesus was the Son of God, not God:
Act 9:20 (MKJV):
(20) And immediately he proclaimed Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.
1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV):(6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Behold
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here is the mystery, and if you can get the revelation, you'll understand the Trinity.
Jesus is fully GOD, but He is not the Father.
Notice :
John 1:10
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