How to build on the Foundation of Christ.
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Eternally Grateful
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Why did most not reach it?
Because time after time after time, they showed they had no faith. they complained from day one. They wanted to go back to Egypt where they felt secure.
They did not lose it. they never had it.
Why are you trying to compare people who never had faith with those that truly did have faith?
Does God change people or does he not change them??
You can;t say you trust God then claim God will or can fail.. that is not trust in God, that is trust in self.
Salvation? You are willfully ignoring all the miracles the Israelites experienced and all the salvations they underwent. They had TONS of beliefs. But they didn't trust that THEY could do anything miraculous even with God backing them up. They knew God could do miracles. They didn't think they could overcome as God could, even with His help. That's exactly the same as many modern believers...who don't believe they can enter in the Promised Land of the Spirit...to walk in Zion. It's exactly the same test. Just at another level. God is so wise to not make it easier for the wild branches as for the natural ones. Otherwise you would think that God hates the Jews and loves the Gentiles.
Like who? Joshua and Caleb? Again you are missing the point. The bible is written to instruct us and warn us. All you are doing is disrespecting those who like so many now who have no faith in God to empower them to have a total victory.
You are mistaking the initial grace with the race of faith that God expects us to win by His grace. It's precisely the same test as the Israelites had in the wilderness. Theirs was a physical gospel...of entering the Land. Ours is a spiritual gospel of entering into the kingdom realm. First comes the natural...then the spiritual.
Do you believe that God can fail you walking as Jesus walked? Or do you only look to self...to walk as you always have...in the power of your flesh?
"but God was causing the growth"
This is an IMPERFECT TENSE which means continual action in past time. Apollos' and Paul's actions were one-time events, but God's actions are continuing (cf. 1 Cor. 3:7).
3:8
NASB, NKJV "are one"
NRSV "have a common purpose"
TEV "there is no difference between"
NJB "it is all one"
REB "they work as a team"
Peshitta "are equal"
The question of this brief and ambiguous Greek phrase (i.e., NASB, NKJV) is
are all leaders equal
do all leaders share in the same church-growing ministry
The true contrast is not between spiritual gifts (i.e., initial evangelist or discipler, pastor/teacher, etc., cf Eph. 4:11), but between God's work and human instrumentality. The key is God!
"but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor"
The concept of rewards is developed in 1 Cor. 3:10-15. In discussing rewards see fuller note at 1 Cor. 3:14.
This idea of rewards for service is related to the spiritual principle delineated in 1 Cor. 3:13 and Gal. 6:7. We reap what we sow (cf. 2 Cor. 9:6).
A related theological issue is degrees of rewards. Knowledge of the gospel energized by the Spirit and the call to leadership within God's church brings a greater responsibility (cf. Luke 12:48). The NT seems to teach degrees of rewards and punishments (cf. Matt. 10:15; 11:22,24; 18:6; 25:21,23; Mark 12:40; Luke 12:47-48; 20:47; James 3:1).
3:9
NASB, NKJV "we are God's fellow workers"
NRSV "we are God's servants, working together"
TEV "we are partners working together for God"
NJB "we do share in God's work"
REB "we are fellow-workers in God's service"
Peshitta "For we work together with God"
The different translations are trying to show that Apollos and Paul work "for" God, not that they are all three co-workers. The priority must remain with God, not His temporary human leaders!
This refers to Paul and Apollos. This is the Near Eastern imagery of a family working together in the field (cf. 2 Cor. 6:1). This verse has three POSSESSIVE GENITIVES: Paul and Apollos belong to God the Father, as does the church in Corinth.
"you are God's field, God's building"
This refers to the Corinthian church. Paul is using the imagery of agricultural growth (cf. Isa. 61:3; Matt. 15:13) and building construction (cf. Eph. 2:20-22; Col. 2:7; 1 Pet. 2:5) to describe the church. Theologically it must be remembered that the church is a people, not a building.
NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: 1 CORINTHIANS 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it. 11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. 14If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
3:10 "According to the grace of God which was given to me" Paul is asserting his salvation, call, and giftedness as the Apostle to the Gentiles (cf. 1 Cor. 15:10).
"a wise master builder"
This could also mean "building supervisor." We get the English word "architect" from this Greek word. In a sense Paul is asserting his authority as the Christ-called Apostle to the Gentiles and the first to share the gospel with these Corinthians.
"I laid a foundation"
This refers to Paul's initial preaching of the gospel at Corinth. It may be an allusion to Isa. 28:16. Jesus is the foundation!
"and another is building on it"
Paul started the church, but others contributed to its growth. Apollos is one example (cf. 1 Cor. 3:5-9). However, in context this must also relate to those leaders in the church who were promoting a factious spirit. They may have been leaders of different house churches.
"each man must be careful"
This is literally a PRESENT ACTIVE IMPERATIVE of blepō, "I see." This is the warning that church leaders will give an account to God of their church work, as will all believers (cf. 2 Cor. 5:10).
3:11 There are two criteria mentioned in this passage for the church.
the leader's/believer's message must be Christocentric (cf. 1 Cor. 3:11-12 and Eph. 2:20-21)
the leader's/believer's life must be Christlike (cf. 1 Cor. 3:12-15)
3:12 "if" This is the first in a series of FIRST CLASS CONDITIONAL SENTENCES which are assumed to be true from the author's perspective or for his literary purpose (cf. 1 Cor. 3:12,14,15,17,18). There were (and are) fruitful and precious leaders and hurtful and destructive leaders!
"any man builds on the foundation"
The major interpretive question here is which foundation is Paul speaking about:
the gospel, 1 Cor. 3:11
the church at Corinth, 1 Cor. 3:10
Is he addressing leaders or believers in general? One's interpretation of 1 Cor. 3:10-15 must relate to 1 Cor. 3:16-17, which describes the church as a whole as the temple of God.
"gold, silver, precious stones"
The emphasis here is on what is durable, beautiful, and costly and cannot be destroyed by fire. Precious stones may be jewels, semi-precious stones, or polished marble stones.
3:13
NASB "will become evident"
NKJV "will become manifest"
NRSV "will become visible"
TEV "will be seen"
NJB "will be shown"
REB "will at last be brought to light"
Peshitta "shall be plainly seen"
This clear manifestation of believers' or leaders' ministry (i.e., motives, actions, purposes) is emphasized by a three-fold repetition of VERBS in 1 Cor. 3:13.
become evident (i.e., phainō)
show (i.e., dēloō)
reveal (i.e., apokaluptō)
This open display and judgment of believers must relate to the judgment seat of Christ in 2 Cor. 5:10.
"the day will show it"
This refers to the OT "Day of the Lord," which will involve both glorification and rewards for believers and judgment for unbelievers. However, even believers will also give an account before the judgment seat of Christ (cf. 2 Cor. 5:10; Matt. 12:36-37; 25:31ff; Rom. 2:16; 14:12; Gal. 5:10; Heb. 13:17).
"will test "
This refers to the refiner's fire (cf. 1 Cor. 4:5), which tests with a view toward approval (i.e., dokimazō).
"the quality of each man's work" In context this must refer to one's church involvement. All the spiritual gifts are for the building up of the church (cf. 1 Cor. 12:7). There is no spiritual distinction between clergy and laity, leader and follower, but there is a task distinction (cf. Num. 16:3). Leaders are more accountable (cf. James 3:1).
3:14 "If" This is the second in a series of FIRST CLASS CONDITIONAL SENTTENCES, assumed to be true from the perspective of the writer or for his literary purpose (cf. 1 Cor. 3:12,14,15,17,18).
"he will receive a reward"
This passage refers to rewards, not salvation. All of the people addressed are assumed to be believers!
The NT concept of rewards must be distinguished from salvation by merit (cf. Rom. 6:23). In the OT rewards or blessings were connected to obedience (cf. Deut. 11:13-32,27-29; Psalm 1). In a sense, that is still true. However, salvation is a gift, not a reward. The life of faith and obedience is a result of salvation, not a means to salvation. Rewards can be lost, yet salvation retained. Rewards are a recognition of the developing ministry of believers. Paul has now universalized his eschatological evaluation (cf. 1 Thess. 2:19-20; Phil. 2:14-16) to include all believers. Rewards are a way of recognizing those who have ministered effectively and faithfully in the furtherance of the gospel. Rewards are God's gifts through His empowering for His Kingdom. Yet, like all covenant relationships, believers must appropriately and continually respond (cf. 1 Cor. 9:24-27).
Utley.
Incorrect.
Crucified the flesh (tēn sarka estaurōsan). Definite event, first aorist active indicative of stauroō as in Gal_2:19 (mystical union with Christ). Paul uses sarx here in the same sense as in Gal_5:16, Gal_5:17, Gal_5:19, “the force in men that makes for evil” (Burton).
With (sun). “Together with,” emphasizing “the completeness of the extermination of this evil force” and the guarantee of victory over one’s passions and dispositions toward evil.
Gal 5:24 ThoseG3588 Art-NMP Hoi Οἱ nowG1161 Conj de δὲ -G3588 Art-GMS tou τοῦ of ChristG5547 N-GMS Christou Χριστοῦ Jesus,G2424 N-GMS Iēsou, Ἰησοῦ, theG3588 Art-AFS tēn τὴν fleshG4561 N-AFS sarka σάρκα have crucifiedG4717 G5656 V-AIA-3P estaurōsan ἐσταύρωσαν withG4862 Prep syn σὺν [its]G3588 Art-DNP tois τοῖς passionsG3804 N-DNP pathēmasin παθήμασιν andG2532 Conj kai καὶ -G3588 Art-DFP tais ταῖς desires.G1939 N-DFP epithymiais. ἐπιθυμίαις.
ἐσταύρωσαν
Transliteration: estaurōsan
Morphology: V-AIA-3P
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural-That's exactly correct-WE have crucified the flesh-Gal_5:24. ἐσταύρωσαν. The Apostle has already traced back his own spiritual life to the fellowship with the crucifixion of Christ, which he had undergone at his conversion (Gal_2:20). He assumes that his converts have likewise crucified the will of the flesh-
Who is doing the act of crucifying here?
Strong's no.: G4717 (σταυρόω)
Meaning: To fix to the cross, crucify; fig: to destroy, mortify.
5:24 "those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh" This is AORIST ACTIVE INDICATIVE which speaks of completed action in past time. This passage, and others which imply mystical union, can be interpreted within theological categories (cf. Rom. 6:6).
Throughout the book of Galatians, particularly 2:20, "crucify" is used to characterize our relationship to the Law. Once we accept God's free offer of grace in Christ as our only means of salvation, we decisively cut ourselves off from the evil of our fallen nature and the fallen world system.
This personal decision of cutting ourselves off is the biblical metaphor of "crucifixion" as seen in Gal. 2:20; 5:24 and 6:14.
This is often characterized as "death to self." God has made us individually (cf. Psalm 139) to serve Him and not ourselves (cf. Rom. 6). This new life in Christ means death to the fallen, self-centered lifestyle of rebellious mankind (cf. Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:11; 2 Cor. 5:14-15; 1 John 3:16).
"with its passions and desires" The Greeks identified the body as the source of sinfulness because they did not have supernatural revelation about creation and the fall of mankind (cf. Genesis 1-3). Therefore, they blamed the morally neutral physical body as the source of evil. Believers understand from Paul that the body is morally neutral (cf. Rom. 4:1; 9:3; 1 Cor. 10:18). Jesus had a real human body (cf. John 1:14; Rom. 1:3; 9:5). Its goodness or wickedness depends on how we use it, for God or for evil. Once we become believers, we must yield our fallen, self-centered tendencies to the power of the Holy Spirit (cf. Romans 7 and 1 John 2:1).
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amigo de christo
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Gotta say it like john did . Those who come out from amongst , WERE NEVER truly of to begin with .
amigo de christo
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Those who are HIS will heed the warning and repent .
amigo de christo
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If one dont beleive JESUS is the CHRIST then nutting else matters .
And if one does believe and yet follows another jesus , YEAH its dead faith they are as lost as i once was .
To those who try and teach others that we or other false budda following mulsm heeding religoins
DONT need to repent and beleive on Christ , preach anti christ religoin . So yea there is that too .
This entire dung pile lie that other religoins are fine as is so long as they have them some love IS FALSE as heck .
As are those who even holler JESUS name and yet love their rainbows , or that money and follow and embrace sin .
Time to preach , teach , speak and to live THE TRUTH . Thus it begins with REPENT AND BELIEVE YE ON CHRIST JESUS .
And to those who do , we then can continue to exhort and teach them . For those who dont , THEY LOST
and await a serious damnation at their end . SO lets preach it like JESUS and the first apostels did .
amigo de christo
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lambs dont let lambs follow or heed francis and this all inclusive delusion .
Heck lambs dont even let enemies do that , they try and preach the gospel to the lost .
HIT the TRENCHES johann , we in them last days and its an allout war for the souls of men .
As for the lambs , WE ARE GONNA POINT TO JESUS CHRIST and all lovely biblical truth .
amigo de christo
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The problem with the world is its looking for love in all the wrong places .
Sadly this concept has crept into a very large number within christendom too .
LOOKING for love in all the wrong places , holding rainbow flags and denying JESUS must be believed in .
THEY LOOKING FOR LOVE , IN ALL THE WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG places .
Forgive the musicial interlude .
BUT MAN , this love so many now preach IS DEAD as HECK . TIME To abandon that all inclusive sin accepting
many path embracing garbage from hades and expose the trash that saveth none for what it is .
Time to preach the true LOVe of GOD , TIME to preach JESUS and all sound biblical doctrine
And HIGH TIME to stop LOOKING FOR LUVE in all the wrong places ...................
Sadly this concept has crept into a very large number within christendom too .
LOOKING for love in all the wrong places , holding rainbow flags and denying JESUS must be believed in .
THEY LOOKING FOR LOVE , IN ALL THE WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG places .
Forgive the musicial interlude .
BUT MAN , this love so many now preach IS DEAD as HECK . TIME To abandon that all inclusive sin accepting
many path embracing garbage from hades and expose the trash that saveth none for what it is .
Time to preach the true LOVe of GOD , TIME to preach JESUS and all sound biblical doctrine
And HIGH TIME to stop LOOKING FOR LUVE in all the wrong places ...................
Preach the true gospel and watch the flesh get into a big snit...slandering and lying their way to defend their carnal state.
I count it as gain to be reproached for the name of Christ. :)
May the Lord be exalted in HIS people.
I count it as gain to be reproached for the name of Christ. :)
May the Lord be exalted in HIS people.
Eternally Grateful
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You’re willfully ignoring the fact that time after time when it came to having faiht in God. They failed miserably.
Its amazing how you talk about holiness yet you excuse these people willful disobedience and lack of trust in God.. they even made a golden calf
but then again. It makes total sense
Grace is grace my friend
The law showed no one could keep it. So the high priest had to once a year make atonement for the people. Because if they did not. The people would be lost forever.
You also forget. Jesus came to make that one sacrifice, and then sat at the right hand of God making intercession for those who he adopts through faith.
Your still trying to save yourself.. Like those jews who proved they never trusted God. And loved their sin You do also.
Eternally Grateful
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Maybe rethink what that reproach is all about. When you speak as you do, I think you bring it on yourself. When you are beaten, don't let it be for your own faults, there is no gain in that.
Much love!
Having free will means I don't have to pamper the flesh as many here do. God loves the hell out of us...not in us.
Hello EG,
Would agree… its highly important to do what Jesus did every day. It may no be early in the morning for some people; perhaps they have to work in the afternoon or even at night, its highly important to bring forth Yahava/Yahweh or for some just God into the forefront or of course Father to their mind and pray. Pray to God and giving thanks, persent your problems to him, and even pray for all the people you may know, and that right there maked a huge difference in the life of a seeker.
Jesus went out early in the morning to a solitary place to pray; and that is something to take away which anyone who is a follower of Him, should the Father who adopts us as his children, first, and bring him in their lives and be honest through out the day with him, if they so to choose to pray and give homage to the one who deserves it. Bible Gateway passage: Mark 1:35-45 - New American Standard Bible
“The LORD (Yahava/Yahweh) is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. I called to the Lord, who is worthy of praise, and I have been saved from my enemies.”
Psalms 18:2-3 NIV
Psalms 18:2-3 The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. I called to the LORD, who is worthy of praise, and | New International Version (NIV) |
The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. I called to the LORD, who is worthy of praise, and
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Jesus also spoke a parable about those who would fall away, due to circumstances, and that can become falling back in to unbelief.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 13 - New American Standard Bible
Jesus Teaches in Parables - On that day Jesus had gone out of the house and was sitting by the sea. And large crowds gathered to Him, so He got into a boat and sat down, and the whole crowd was standing on the beach. And He told them many things in parables, saying, “Behold, the sower went out...
He also said in John 15 verse 4-5 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing.
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Eternally Grateful
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Your right God loves us.
But his love will not over rule his justice.
Justice demands payment for sin.
And unless your sin is atoned for. you have no hope. No matter how much God loves you
You have been proven wrong on Gal 5.24.
1) "And they that are Christ's," (oi de tou Christou lesou) "Now the ones of Christ Jesus," of His disposition and practice; those saved and having made a personal confession and surrender of life and service to Him, in His church, Rom_8:9; 1Co_6:19-20. "You all are Christ's," reads, 1Co_3:23; Rom_14:8.
2) "Have crucified the flesh," (ten sarka estaurosan) "They (have) crucified the flesh;” Gal_2:20; Gal_6:14; nailed the old nature to the cross, to live no more with its cravings and wills, to dominate actions of life, 1Co_10:31; Rom_6:6; Rom_8:13.
3) "With the affections and lusts," (sun tois pathemasin kai tais epithumiais) "In affinity with its passions and lusts," or "in close colleague with its passions and lusts," Rom_13:14; Every lust is to be kept under subjection, or restraint, by each saint committed to follow Jesus, Mar_8:34; Gal_5:23; Rom_6:18-19; 1Co_9:27.
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