Do you believe that ALL babies that die go to Heaven or only "the elect"?

[face2face]

Get behind me satan!

Said by Peter who tried to prevent Christ from going to his death. It's used in a positive and negative sense to mean "adversary", can be a person, an angel, even God Himself!
If you read your Bible correctly, you would know this.
I'm thinking you said this because you find it confronting that its possible to create a god in your own image...and what if your god is not the One True God?

It's actually interesting though...you have SteVen, Quiet & Patrick all believing that every person in the earth's history will be given salvation - an extreme end of the Spectrum, then you have me who believes God selects His own and its only by seeking Him and understanding His Judgements while hard to understand at times, are accepted as being just and pure.

Not sure where you sit but its clear you dont understand the true Christ, true God and the state of the dead.

F2F

 

[Triumph1300]

then you have me who believes God selects His own

Nonsense. I never said such a thing.
You don't have a clue what I believe.
I certainly don't believe like the cult you are involved with, that's for sure.

 

[MatthewG]

God is indeed just and not evil.

But that does not take away the fact that all children after Adam are condemned by God to die for sin. And to campaign for the would-be innocence of children because Jesus used them as the object of comparison to the children born of the spirit of God does not make children of the flesh the subject of His parable comparison, but is a contradiction to the whole message of scripture, a misunderstanding, and misses His point of comparison and that of the many things He spoke of heaven as only a "likeness" rather than being actual. This is true of all parables: the object is not to be confused with the subject. They are not the same.

Do you have any insights on why God sent and evil spirit of God on Samuel?

 

[MatthewG]

All humans are sinful.

That is why people repent and change their mind when they hear of their sins being paid for by Christ…

If they choose to abide in Him they will have a new life; and if thet read the word they will see they put the old life in the grave after dying on the cross and raised again by the spirit of God that raised Jesus from the dead.

Sin has been paid for… for all time forever more never to be paid for again.

Those who have faith sre justified and made right with God and given the holy spirit.

Paul wrote about this to the people at rome.

 

[MatthewG]

God judges rightly… can babies cant really do much but they can become greedy…

… they are after all given everything in the world… socks, shoes, diapers, pants, shirts, fed, bathed, held, burped,

Two year old children can be come jealous and quarrel. Throw a fit cause you wont let them get something or take them to get somethibg eat like mcdonalds or something. Or thet quarrel with some other children, or their brother or sister.

All people except Jesus who never sinned, (though he suffered temptations), sin.

Even so God judges rightly and I dont see why children would be put out of the kingdom…

I have see a report on this child… i cant remeber how old maybe 8 years old who killed children as young as two and hide their bodies under sticks… where this kid was from I forget it was third world country.

 

[face2face]

Nonsense. I never said such a thing.
You don't have a clue what I believe.
I certainly don't believe like the cult you are involved with, that's for sure.

Is God taking a people out of the Gentiles for His name, or not?
Not all are called or chosen...and you never supported your belief in a literal place of fire.
F2F

 

[face2face]

All humans are sinful.

A baby does not die because of sin - a baby cannot sin, but dies because of its mortality. So your statement is false. If you were to try and justify a baby being morally accountable to Gods Laws, you would be wrong. A baby can neither obey or disobey God's commands. They is no difference to a beast that perishes, one dies and so does the other - the cost of a groaning creation.

A humanistic mind would seek to find some way to alter this reality, but it is not God's way.

David's son returned to the earth as a punishment for his sin - you either accept this as God's justice and live, or reject it, and die.

F2F

 

[MatthewG]

A baby does not die because of sin - a baby cannot sin, but dies because of its mortality. So your statement is false. If you were to try and justify a baby being morally accountable to Gods Laws, you would be wrong. A baby can neither obey or disobey God's commands. They is no difference to a beast that perishes, one dies and so does the other - the cost of a groaning creation.

A humanistic mind would seek to find some way to alter this reality, but it is not God's way.

David's son returned to the earth as a punishment for his sin - you either accept this as God's justice and live, or reject it, and die.

F2F

Sarahs children fought in the womb. Genesis 25.

Im not offended when I read in the bible about the Isrealites going in and taking over land and they slaugter everyone, invluding the children, im not offended either when the bible says we are born in with a sinful nature.

Sins been paid for by Christ.

Dont you understand?

James says when sin is full developed it gives birth to death. Perhaps when the sin cap is mer thats when God will take ones life.

Idk.

“When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1‬:‭13‬-‭15‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and e

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[MatthewG]

What does offend me to some degree is people who make God or the Lord into a laughing stock, thats just a peeve of mine.

 

[Truther]

The exception...is there are no exceptions: All are "in Christ" or they are not saved...as He is [actually] "the only begotten Son", and we are not our own, but His body--One new man.

The breakdown here is "the dead in Christ" (before salvation had come--including Abraham), and "the living in Christ" (after salvation has come).

No, Abraham was saved by faith via his works by obedience to God. His descendants whether spiritual or natural are saved as per their time period. Babies are not required to believe or have good works unto salvation.

 

[Truther]

No man can come to me unless the Father draw him.

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God

Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.

Shall I continue?

To God Be The Glory

You still are not telling us how to be saved. I will give you one hint….

Acts 2:38.

Ever hear of it?

 

[face2face]

Sarahs children fought in the womb. Genesis 25.

Im not offended when I read in the bible about the Isrealites going in and taking over land and they slaugter everyone, invluding the children, im not offended either when the bible says we are born in with a sinful nature.

Sins been paid for by Christ.

Dont you understand?

James says when sin is full developed it gives birth to death. Perhaps when the sin cap is mer thats when God will take ones life.

Idk.

“When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1‬:‭13‬-‭15‬ ‭NIV‬‬

James 1:13-15 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and e | New International Version (NIV) |

When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and e

bible.com

Can you explain how you believe a baby can sin.

 

[MatthewG]

Can you explain how you believe a baby can sin.

No, but if you desire to believe everyone is pure and sinless so be.

Psalm 51:5
For I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.

 

[St. SteVen]

You still are not telling us how to be saved. I will give you one hint….

Acts 2:38.

Ever hear of it?

Do you even know what repentance is?
One doesn't have to be baptized to repent.
And the repentant need not be baptized.
Baptism is NOT the source of salvation.

 

[face2face]

No, but if you desire to believe everyone is pure and sinless so be.

Psalm 51:5
For I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me Psalm 51:5

Try again Matt!...I can't even say it was a nice try!

If this is the extent of your evidence I think you should concede now.

F2F

 

[Truther]

Do you even know what repentance is?
One doesn't have to be baptized to repent.
And the repentant need not be baptized.
Baptism is NOT the source of salvation.

Let's see...


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I just don't believe you.

 

[St. SteVen]

I just don't believe you.

That's fine.
Seems like your RCC upbringing still has a grip on you.

 

[ScottA]

No, Abraham was saved by faith via his works by obedience to God. His descendants whether spiritual or natural are saved as per their time period. Babies are not required to believe or have good works unto salvation.

Your focus is too small, missing the forest for the trees, even effectively denying that Jesus Christ the Savior of the world had anything to do with Abraham's salvation, giving Abraham all the credit for his own salvation and giving no credit to Jesus.

Do you not see the error in that?

Apparently not.

 

[ScottA]

Do you have any insights on why God sent and evil spirit of God on Samuel?

I wonder if you know what you have said.

You have referred to the foreshadowing (the light and sign unto the gentiles) of the very thing that has now also occurred among the gentiles--that is, that God has indeed turned the gentiles over to Satan for a time, just as He did with Israel for wanting a man to rule over them rather than God.

This the result of that "lie" and anti-Christ spirit already at work 2,000 years ago, and has caused the foretold "strong delusion."

But the evil is not in or of God who is alone holy and pure. Even so, it is as He said, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

 

[BreadOfLife]

Wrong.

The triune Godhead is mythology, not Biblical truth.

And yes, it will always be a mysterious myth.

I've presented a rock-solid Biblical case for the Triune Godhead (Gen. 1:26, Matt. 28:19, John 15:26, 1 Cor. 12:4-6, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 5:7, Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, Isa. 63:16, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13, Isa. 7:14, Isa. 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Tit. 2:13, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4).

All YOU have responded with are your usual denials with ZERO evidence . . .