Do you believe that ALL babies that die go to Heaven or only "the elect"?

[St. SteVen]

It’s kind of nice to find a modern translation that would be more comfortable to our tastebuds. you learn a doctrine and outcomes a translation to reinforce it. Can’t get better than that.

A modern translation to reinforce your doctrine? Seeking bias?
What happened to being led by the Spirit?

The NET (New English Translation) has been recommended lately.
Haven't given up my NIV yet. (obviously) @Wrangler

Check out the footnotes.

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 1:5-6 - New English Translation

and from Jesus Christ—the faithful witness, the firstborn from among the dead, the ruler over the kings of the earth. To the one who loves us and has set us free from our sins at the cost of his own blood and has appointed us as a kingdom, as priests serving his God and Father—to him be the...

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[ScottA]

Babies are not judged according to their works, nor severely retarded persons with minds of babies.

God is just, not evil.

God is indeed just and not evil.

But that does not take away the fact that all children after Adam are condemned by God to die for sin. And to campaign for the would-be innocence of children because Jesus used them as the object of comparison to the children born of the spirit of God does not make children of the flesh the subject of His parable comparison, but is a contradiction to the whole message of scripture, a misunderstanding, and misses His point of comparison and that of the many things He spoke of heaven as only a "likeness" rather than being actual. This is true of all parables: the object is not to be confused with the subject. They are not the same.

 

[ScottA]

Acts 20 is not "proving with fire".

You are a parable.

A bot, obviously.

If you are going to call names, then I suppose that makes you a name caller.

Each is known by his fruit.

 

[JunChosen]

2 Samuel 12:23 could certainly imply that babies who die go to heaven. Regarding his child who died, King David declared, “But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” Being that David wrote special revelation (Scripture), it would not be a stretch to surmise that babies who die are destined for heaven, where David himself knew he was going.

The above is read also in light of Acts 16:31:

"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

David was a child of God and so was his son.

The unsaved on the other hand, will NOT bring up their children in the way in the things of God.

I believe God is a just God.
Do you actually believe that sending a baby to hell is a just thing to do?
What kind of God do you believe in?
Deuteronomy 32:4

The kind of God who declares:

"The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one." This includes babies!!! Romans 3:10

"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies...." Psalms 58:3-8.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Triumph1300]

Keep reading the scriptures. It will all come clear eventually, but only "precept upon precept, line upon line, and here a little, there a little."

Been doing that since 1980. Nothing new to me.
43 years of bible reading and studies made me come to the conclusion that God is a just God.


Yes we are born in sin, and as a previous poster mentioned we will be judged by our actions during our life.

There is not much to judge as far as a baby is concerned, except the fact the poor kid is born in sin.
And since God is a just God and a loving God, I am convinced babies will go to heaven.

I leave it at that.

 

[St. SteVen]

The above is read also in light of Acts 16:31:

"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

David was a child of God and so was his son.

The unsaved on the other hand, will NOT bring up their children in the way in the things of God.

The kind of God who declares:

"The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jeremiah 17:9

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one." This includes babies!!! Romans 3:10

"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies...." Psalms 58:3-8.

To God Be The Glory

If God is as vengeful as you claim he is, he won't stop until he has destroyed everyone.
No one can measure up. And he destroys those who don't. Correct?
Why would he stop?

 

[ScottA]

Been doing that since 1980. Nothing new to me.
43 years of bible reading and studies made me come to the conclusion that God is a just God.


Yes we are born in sin, and as a previous poster mentioned we will be judged by our actions during our life.
And since God is a just God and a loving God, I am convinced babies will go to heaven.

I leave it at that.

You can "leave it at that" if you choose, but it would be wrong.

The error is in not fully understanding that this world is the full manifestation of good and evil...and babies are not excluded, but included. And it is this that is just, because many are the children of evil, in addition to the children of good (of God).

 

[Truther]

A modern translation to reinforce your doctrine? Seeking bias?
What happened to being led by the Spirit?

The NET (New English Translation) has been recommended lately.
Haven't given up my NIV yet. (obviously) @Wrangler

Check out the footnotes.

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 1:5-6 - New English Translation

and from Jesus Christ—the faithful witness, the firstborn from among the dead, the ruler over the kings of the earth. To the one who loves us and has set us free from our sins at the cost of his own blood and has appointed us as a kingdom, as priests serving his God and Father—to him be the...

www.biblegateway.com

The KJV debunked again by those pesky footnotes.

The modern versions use a different Greek manuscript than the Received text.

They cannot be compared.

The many are debunked by the one per the modernist.

 

[Truther]

God is indeed just and not evil.

But that does not take away the fact that all children after Adam are condemned by God to die for sin. And to campaign for the would-be innocence of children because Jesus used them as the object of comparison to the children born of the spirit of God does not make children of the flesh the subject of His parable comparison, but is a contradiction to the whole message of scripture, a misunderstanding, and misses His point of comparison and that of the many things He spoke of heaven as only a "likeness" rather than being actual. This is true of all parables: the object is not to be confused with the subject. They are not the same.

Just think. You advocate the idea that your bloodline is righteous.

Whoah!

 

[Truther]

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If you are going to call names, then I suppose that makes you a name caller.

Each is known by his fruit.

I can bet you don't even know the NT plan of salvation?

 

[RLT63]

Firstly, you will NEVER find a verse in Scripture stipulating that babies go to heaven when they die! Pastors and theologians equate this idea comparing it to the story King David whose son God took away at age 2 but assured him later that he will see his son again in heaven.

Secondly, the reason people make mistakes saying such things is because they have NOT READ the whole Bible.

Psalms 58:3ff reads:

3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4 Their poison [is] like the poison of a serpent: [they are] like the deaf adder [that] stoppeth her ear;

Please read to the end of the chapter. It's a short eleven verses.

To God Be The Glory

It sounds like you might have your facts mixed up a little about David. Take your own advice and do some reading

 

[Triumph1300]

I can bet you don't even know the NT plan of salvation?

Well.....he is "walking like Einstein"...... :)

Walking like Jesus, the Son of a just God would be better.
Sorry, could not resist.

;-)

 

[JunChosen]

If God is as vengeful as you claim he is, he won't stop until he has destroyed everyone.
No one can measure up. And he destroys those who don't. Correct?
Why would he stop?

What you and those who believe like you, will never "see" is that God the Father sent His Only Son, to redeem the sins of all those He elected in eternity past, and before the foundation of the world (Matthew i:21).

Can you honestly say that you are one of the elect, seeing what you have negatively commented in this thread?

What? Didn't you know that God is Sovereign in ALL things?

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] NOT OF HIM THAT WILLETH, nor of him THAT RUNNETH, but of God that sheweth mercy. Romans 9:15-16.

To God Be The Glory

 

[JunChosen]

It sounds like you might have your facts mixed up a little about David. Take your own advice and do some reading

Please elaborate.

 

[Truther]

Simply, those that are born again via Acts 2:38 will, and do now(partially), see the invisible kingdom of God.

The rest will be judged according to their works per Rev 20. .....Their works.

Now, to make sure our good works and bad works are not compared per Rev 20, we must obey Acts 2:38, be part of the invisible kingdom, then reign with Jesus for the 1000 years.(be part of the 1st resurrection).

This is our "insurance policy".

All we need to do is obey Acts 2:38 to get our Eternal Life Insurance policy enacted. ELI insurance.

It's free, but a nightmare for most to acquire.

 

[St. SteVen]

The modern versions use a different Greek manuscript than the Received text.

I think most modern translations account for the Received Text differences in the footnotes.

 

[St. SteVen]

What you and those who believe like you, will never "see" is that God the Father sent His Only Son, to redeem the sins of all those He elected in eternity past, and before the foundation of the world (Matthew i:21).

Those who believe like me? (bigotry?)

If God ONLY redeemed "the sins of all those He elected", then he ALSO predestined everyone else to destruction, right?

Can you honestly say that you are one of the elect, seeing what you have negatively commented in this thread?

Yes, I believe I am part of "the Elect", those who find Christ in this lifetime.
I can't undo that by disagreeing with you. Not by doing anything actually.
We cannot undo what only God could do in the first place. IMHO

What? Didn't you know that God is Sovereign in ALL things?

That saw cuts both ways.
Did you know that God has the best interests in mind for ALL of humankind?

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] NOT OF HIM THAT WILLETH, nor of him THAT RUNNETH, but of God that sheweth mercy. Romans 9:15-16.

Let's talk definitions.
Mercy is when we don't get the bad thing we deserve.
Compassion is when we get the good thing we didn't deserve.
They are both positive actions,

 

[Truther]

I think most modern translations account for the Received Text differences in the footnotes.

Truth is, the Alexandrian is the lone source for all modern translations. The missing verses in the Alexandrian are in the RT.

 

[St. SteVen]

Truth is, the Alexandrian is the lone source for all modern translations. The missing verses in the Alexandrian are in the RT.

I don't think it is that cut and dried. It's a complicated subject.
The Alexandrian manuscripts were the oldest and best preserved, since they were found in Egypt, with it's dry climate.
Modern translations didn't limit the translation work to the RT, or the Alexandrian texts.
And weren't subservient to the political and religious expectations of the KJV translation work.

 

[Truther]

I don't think it is that cut and dried. It's a complicated subject.
The Alexandrian manuscripts were the oldest and best preserved, since they were found in Egypt, with it's dry climate.
Modern translations didn't limit the translation work to the RT, or the Alexandrian texts.
And weren't subservient to the political and religious expectations of the KJV translation work.

In short the Alexandrian was incomplete and stood alone. Bad translation material. Perfect for modern version material.

It is as divided from the KJV as the Matt 28:19 crowd is divided from the Acts 2:38 crowd.