What Satan Doesn't Want You to Know

[1stCenturyLady]

What was it you wanted to know?

Much love!

Look at your #100 and see my post you didn't answer. Please answer it.

 

[marks]

All I'm saying is that is was JESUS who is the Lamb of God - one and the same. And He carries away BOTH TYPES OF SIN, so that we can be BOTH SINLESS AND PERFECT.

Do you agree or do you think Scripture disagrees? And where.

You are trying to bring your doctrine in the back door.

Jesus removed all sin when He removed the sin of the world. You say He left some on the believer, and removed the rest. I say what the Bible says, He carried away the sin of the world, which is an inclusive statement, none left out.

I say, All that is not of faith is sin, and we are to walk by faith. No sin is OK, all is treated the same with us, the children of God. We are to walk in the Spirit so we don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh, any of them, including lying, stealing, fornication, whatever. We are to live holy lives of loving service to others, and we are not condemned, Christ is our Intercessor.

Stealing is a lack of trust in God's provision. Regardless of it's place and nuance within the Mosaic Covenant, in the Christian, it's a flesh work, and we are to put that off. Same with adultery. The thief may be pardoned, the adulterer was to be stoned. Both are the same in the NT. Put off all these . . .

Do I agree that Jesus carried away all sin? Yes I do. Do I parse between sins as you do? No I do not.

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You say He left some on the believer, and removed the rest. I say what the Bible says, He carried away the sin of the world, which is an inclusive statement, none left out.

It must be someone else I was thinking you were, because who I thought you were believes we still have a sin nature? Do I have you confused with someone else. With Jesus carrying away the sin of the world, that means you believe we do NOT have a sin nature, but a totally clean nature like I believe.

BTW, I believe we do have a clean nature, but we have free will like Adam had when he was created perfect. We no longer have any desire to break any commandments, so we keep them all - "we establish the law." Obedience is our nature now, and we are in better shape than Adam, because we also have God inside of us. By abiding in us we mature in all the fruit of the Spirit. John 15:1-4.

 

[Robert Pate]

It must be someone else I was thinking you were, because who I thought you were believes we still have a sin nature? Do I have you confused with someone else. With Jesus carrying away the sin of the world, that mean you believe we do NOT have a sin nature, but a totally clean nature like I believe.

BTW, I believe we do have a clean nature, but we have free will like Adam had when he was created perfect. We no longer have any desire to break any commandments, so we keep them all - "we establish the law." Obedience is our nature now, and we are in better shape than Adam, because we also have God inside of us. By abiding in us we mature in all the fruit of the Spirit. John 15:1-4.

As long as we are in these Adamic bodies we will sin. We only have the "First fruits" or the down payment of the Holy Spirit, Romans 8:21-23. Paul said that we need to be changed, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58. Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

As long as we are in these Adamic bodies we will sin. We only have the "First fruits" or the down payment of the Holy Spirit, Romans 8:21-23. Paul said that we need to be changed, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58. Paul struggled with sin, Romans 7:7-25.

Sin doesn't have to do with our corruptible body, a false unscriptural doctrine, but our nature. Our spirit and soul is where Satan put sin after Adam sinned to be carried down through the ages. You didn't go back far enough in Romans 7. Our soul and spirit died and became reborn of the Spirit and is our new inner being.

VERSE 5. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Verses 14-25 is living BEFORE being delivered from the law when we were still in the flesh, the old sin nature. Just like those who are born again of the Spirit Paul was also delivered from the law and been freed from sin. Romans 8:2. For Paul that would have been when he was still a Pharisee killing Christians and FORMERLY the chief of sinners.

Do not be deceived and believe the "flesh" is our body, nor the false doctrine that Paul was still the chief of sinners and not freed from sin like everyone else he was referring to. Who? Everyone but him? If you know the Bible you should be able to spot a false doctrine faster than this! Read Romans 8:1-9, especially 9. How can we be not in our body but in the Spirit? No! We are no longer in the old sin nature, but in a cleansed human nature that partakes of the divine nature of God if God indwells us. Romans 8:1-9; 2 Peter 2-11.

Remember Jesus was in a corruptible body that could die, yet he lived without sin because from the beginning He was conceived with the Seed of the Father. He is our example of the born again of the Spirit life without influence from Satan.

1 John 3:8:9
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

 

[Robert Pate]

Sin doesn't have to do with our corruptible body, a false unscriptural doctrine, but our nature. Our spirit and soul is where Satan put sin after Adam sinned to be carried down through the ages. You didn't go back far enough in Romans 7. Our soul and spirit died and became reborn of the Spirit and is our new inner being.

VERSE 5. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Verses 14-25 is living BEFORE being delivered from the law when we were still in the flesh, the old sin nature. Just like those who are born again of the Spirit Paul was also delivered from the law and been freed from sin. Romans 8:2. For Paul that would have been when he was still a Pharisee killing Christians and FORMERLY the chief of sinners.

Do not be deceived and believe the "flesh" is our body, nor the false doctrine that Paul was still the chief of sinners and not freed from sin like everyone else he was referring to. Who? Everyone but him? If you know the Bible you should be able to spot a false doctrine faster than this! Read Romans 8:1-9, especially 9. How can we be not in our body but in the Spirit? No! We are no longer in the old sin nature, but in a cleansed human nature that partakes of the divine nature of God if God indwells us. Romans 8:1-9; 2 Peter 2-11.

Remember Jesus was in a corruptible body that could die, yet he lived without sin because from the beginning He was conceived with the Seed of the Father. He is our example of the born again of the Spirit life without influence from Satan.

1 John 3:8:9
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

There are two separate aspects of Christianity.

Spiritually, we are perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

Physically, we are the chief of sinners, because of Adam, 1 Timothy 1:15.

God sees his people in Christ. As far as God is concerned his people are without sin because of the doing and the dying of Jesus.

You can deceive yourself with your holiness religion for a while, but you will sin, 1 John 1:8.

 

[Jay Ross]

How about that Satan has the lead role in the Parables of the Talents and the Minas. Satan has convinced people to claim that it is Jesus that goes away for a time before he returns. That Jesus gives His servants money to corrupt the people around them. A claim that is often used by the dominate pagan religious people in third world countries against people who have come to Christianity.

Satan has been working very hard to make out that he can be trusted with our lives even though the scriptures tell us that he too will go into the lake of fire just before all of the unrighteous people do.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

There are two separate aspects of Christianity.

Spiritually, we are perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

Physically, we are the chief of sinners, because of Adam, 1 Timothy 1:15.

God sees his people in Christ. As far as God is concerned his people are without sin because of the doing and the dying of Jesus.

You can deceive yourself with your holiness religion for a while, but you will sin, 1 John 1:8.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 2 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:8 is not a Christian. They must repent and become born again of the Spirit. A true Christian WALKS IN THE LIGHT, and doesn't just say they do, but don't.

 

[Robert Pate]

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 2 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:8 is not a Christian. They must repent and become born again of the Spirit. A true Christian WALKS IN THE LIGHT, and doesn't just say they do, but don't.

Under the New Covenant Christians are not under the law and the commandments, nor are they subject to them. Because, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4. Jesus is the end and the fulfillment of the law. If you are trying to be righteous by the law, you are under a curse, Galatians 3:10.

In John 1:8 John said "we" If WE say that WE have no sin WE deceive ourselves. WE are Christians. Paul never claimed to be without sin.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Under the New Covenant Christians are not under the law and the commandments, nor are they subject to them. Because, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4. Jesus is the end and the fulfillment of the law. If you are trying to be righteous by the law, you are under a curse, Galatians 3:10.

In John 1:8 John said "we" If WE say that WE have no sin WE deceive ourselves. WE are Christians. Paul never claimed to be without sin.

We is an inclusive word for everyone in John's congregation to test themselves. Paul was without sin and preached that to us Romans 6:6-7

 

[1stCenturyLady]

How about that Satan has the lead role in the Parables of the Talents and the Minas. Satan has convinced people to claim that it is Jesus that goes away for a time before he returns. That Jesus gives His servants money to corrupt the people around them. A claim that is often used by the dominate pagan religious people in third world countries against people who have come to Christianity.

Satan has been working very hard to make out that he can be trusted with our lives even though the scriptures tell us that he too will go into the lake of fire just before all of the unrighteous people do.

I've never heard anyone teach this.

 

[Jay Ross]

I've never heard anyone teach this.

Perhaps you are not that versed in what the scriptures actually say.

After spending time meditating on the Parables of the Talents and the Minas, it was easy to draw the conclusion from what has been recorded in both parables that the man who goes away for a time is a reference to Satan. Rev 12 confirms that the person who goes away for a time is none other than Satan. In the Parable of the Minas, one of the people groups that are Satan's servants is the none other that the nation of Israel. Jesus in telling this parable to the crowd walking up from Jericho towards Jerusalem suggest to the people around Him that at the time of Satan being judged in heaven, and being imprisoned in a pit, that the nation of Israel send a delegation after Satan to the "King" who can bestow Satan as a deity, informing Him that they no longer want Satan to be over the Nation of Israel. When Satan is released from the Bottomless pit, he wants the servants who had rejected him to be brought before him so that they could be killed in front of him. In Rev 12 we read that Satan initially goes after the nation of Israel in an attempt to kill them all, but the earth swallowed the river of water that Satan directed at them, and they were taken out of harms way. (Rev 12:13-17).

The other clue contained in the two parables is the supposed "wicked" servant who hid the money he was given and upon Satan's return, the wicked servant return what Satan had given him because:-

'20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’' Luke 19:20-23,​

and in Matt 25: 24-27 we have this recorded: -

24 “Then he who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the ground. Look, there you have what is yours.’​

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26 “But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27 So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest.​

If Jesus is the one who is entitled to the harvest of souls, then why would he have agreed to what the "wicked" servant had said.

If you have not heard this taught, then your teachers of the word of God have perverted the word of God to your detriment.

To me it seems that you have much catching up to do with respect to God words to us.

Shalom

 

[Rockerduck]

The Parable of the Wheat and Tares shows Satan is among us to end of the age. Jesus explains it as so.

Matthew 13:37-40 - He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Parable of the Wheat and Tares shows Satan is among us to end of the age. Jesus explains it as so.

Matthew 13:37-40 - He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.

We must cling to Christ . For greater is HE that in us that he that is in the world .
Oh satan prowls about seeking whom he may devour . And satan has many plants
he has planted within even christendom itself . Now marvel not about that last statement .
For satan himself can appear as an angel of LIGHT , THOUGH HE BE NOT LIGHT ,
so too can his ministirs come in and transform the churches from within to follow a lie and not the truth .
But the sheep heed not the voice of strangers . Keep in that bible .

 

[Robert Pate]

We is an inclusive word for everyone in John's congregation to test themselves. Paul was without sin and preached that to us Romans 6:6-7

Paul never claimed to be without sin.

Paul struggled with sin just like we do, Romans 7:7-25. Romans 6:6-7 is the spiritual aspect of the Gospel, not the physical. It is not correct theology to mix the spiritual with the physical. We are still here on the earth in our sinful Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. Waiting for the redemption of our bodies.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Paul never claimed to be without sin.

Paul struggled with sin just like we do, Romans 7:7-25. Romans 6:6-7 is the spiritual aspect of the Gospel, not the physical. It is not correct theology to mix the spiritual with the physical. We are still here on the earth in our sinful Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. Waiting for the redemption of our bodies.

How does your belief in sinning in the physical affect your life? Do you realize when you are sinning? Is it automatically spiritually covered by the blood of Jesus, or do you have to go through an endless ritual of sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent ad infinitum like they had to do in the Old Testament?

 

[Robert Pate]

How does your belief in sinning in the physical affect your life? Do you realize when you are sinning? Is it automatically spiritually covered by the blood of Jesus, or do you have to go through an endless ritual of sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent ad infinitum like they had to do in the Old Testament?

To be honest about it I am not concerned about my sins. I believe that Jesus has dealt with my sins and not only my sins but the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus I am complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. I am spiritually "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven, Colossians 3:3. Not sure where you are at.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

To be honest about it I am not concerned about my sins. I believe that Jesus has dealt with my sins and not only my sins but the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus I am complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. I am spiritually "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven, Colossians 3:3. Not sure where you are at.

Here are two verses I know that have to do with our assurance, and not OSAS. Personally, what I know about OSAS is perverted and more like a license to sin, which is a doctrine of demons to get you to sin but believe they are automatically cleansed.

1 John 3:21-24
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

I know I am saved because otherwise 100% of my prayers would not be answered miraculously like they are. And yes I do abide in Christ, and I know He abides inside of me.

2 Peter 1:2-11
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, ; 11 for if you do these things you will never stumble for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Robert Pate]

Here are two verses I know that have to do with our assurance, and not OSAS. Personally, what I know about OSAS is perverted and more like a license to sin, which is a doctrine of demons to get you to sin but believe they are automatically cleansed.

1 John 3:21-24
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

I know I am saved because otherwise 100% of my prayers would not be answered miraculously like they are. And yes I do abide in Christ, and I know He abides inside of me.

2 Peter 1:2-11
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, ; 11 for if you do these things you will never stumble for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Your post is very subjective. It appears that you think that your salvation is all about you. It's not about us, it's about Jesus Christ. His life, His death, His resurrection. He is the one that overcame sin, death and the devil. He is the one that reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. All that is required of us is to accept what he has accomplished for us. I am afraid that you are going to be in the Lord, Lord, didn't we group, Matthew 7:21-23.

 

[BlessedPeace]

If you believe that God chooses some to be saved and dams the rest to hell, then you are a Calvinist.

God chose all of humanity in Jesus Christ. "God so loved the world (not just some) that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

You make a sham out of God's word. Worse yet, you make God out to be a tyrant.

What I find fascinating?
Both schools of thought are sustained in scripture.

Those and others too, have led the church to divide over such quibbling amongst our own.

Jesus said the truth will set us free.

Our Bible is the inspired words of God. Yet, I cannot help but think, as with Eve and Job, and others, God allowed Lucifer to do his work there too.

Jesus said, not everyone will understand. Are not meant to. If anyone knew the purpose of prophecy it was he.

When we war amongst ourselves, when we use language we'd not say before Christ himself as we defend his teachings, Lucifer wins.

Maybe that is the meaning too behind, narrow is the path and wide is the gate. But enter ye through the narrow gate.

When we defend what we hold dear anywhere, we are standing for our personal identity, as if it is self that is under attack.

Resorting to violent hurtful words in doing so on a forum isn't defense of righteousness.
It is fear. We can't quite handle someone implying or stating outright that we are wrong.
Because if we think it true, that we are wrong, we may not be right about being saved.



God is the source for all that exists.
God doesn't need us to prove that or defend it.

We're defending ourselves here. And how we do that, I think, says a lot about where we are in understanding what we claim we know about God in us.


That's what I think.