Denominations that teach only they will be saved

[St. SteVen]

Funny man!

Here is a challenge to you. Tell me which one of these is incorrect:

God gives life

God is ALL Powerful

God desires all to be saved

God does nothing in vain

God knows the end from the beginning

God doesn't fail

Because if you believe all of those are correct then all men shall be saved - just as your Bible says they will be.

 

[face2face]

@St. SteVen I might be wrong in stating this but your questions do cross boundaries from time to time. I'm not sure if it's a lack of understanding on your part, is it ignorance, or do you want to challenge God's morality? God knows.

I'm curious if you will bother answering my questions on the man picking up sticks - I very much doubt it!

Having had a number of interactions with you, I perceive there are some subjects you want to open up and challenge, while others you pass over.

If the conversation takes you into knowledge which challenges your preconceived beliefs, you run.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Here is a challenge to you. Tell me which one of these is incorrect:

God gives life

God is ALL Powerful

God desires all to be saved

God does nothing in vain

God knows the end from the beginning

God doesn't fail

Because if you believe all of those are correct then all men shall be saved - just as your Bible says they will be.

The man picking up sticks ironically teaches you a valuable lesson then, doesn't it?

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

Apply the above verse to the man picking up sticks and lets see where it takes you!~

A verse which comes to mind for not wanting anyone to perish is "In all their affliction He was afflicted . .." (Isa 63:8-9).

His careful attention that not one righteous one should perish is illustrated by the parable of the wheat and the tares. I'm sure you know it? The householder is represented as giving instruction that care must be exercised “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.” (Matt. 13:29).

You see, it is more important to save the righteous than to condemn the wicked! I'm not sure how this reality fits in with your set of beliefs?

God's desire that all may be saved, not His inexorable will that they shall be! He has provided adequately for all needs (John 3:16), but few avail themselves of this offer.

You don't get that its an invitation with an RSVP attached

F2F

 

[face2face]

Yes, thanks for including the reference. Big help. (I mean... I knew this one, but...)

Well... that is what it means, right?

Also, you know you inferred in your reply a believer does not need faith to be saved.
Thought it important to not let that be overlooked!! A lot of your points are on the "edge", while some like this one have you falling to your own destruction.
It's a sad place to be SteVen!
F2F

 

[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen I might be wrong in stating this but your questions do cross boundaries from time to time. I'm not sure if it's a lack of understanding on your part, is it ignorance, or do you want to challenge God's morality? God knows.

Whose boundaries are they? And why are they there?

I'm curious if you will bother answering my questions on the man picking up sticks - I very much doubt it!

I don't recall any questions. Thought it was cut and dried. (like lumber) - LOL

Having had a number of interactions with you, I perceive there are some subjects you want to open up and challenge, while others you pass over.

Yes, I choose, or am lead to what needs a response. A word, or sentence, or paragraph, stands out to me.
The rest is just background noise.

If the conversation takes you into knowledge which challenges your preconceived beliefs, you run.

That's your perception. Typically if think you are ready, I will wait until you are.
You have declared that I am wrong about the scriptures that support UR.
As if you hold the keys to understanding them.

 

[St. SteVen]

You see, it is more important to save the righteous than to condemn the wicked! I'm not sure how this reality fits in with your set of beliefs?

I have a theory that in the afterlife, everyone will be surprised at where they end up.

Matthew 21:31 NIV
... Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes
are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

 

[St. SteVen]

Thought it important to not let that be overlooked!! A lot of your points are on the "edge", while some like this one have you falling to your own destruction.

I appreciate your concerns.

 

[St. SteVen]

A known desecrator of the Sabbath was to be punished with death (Exod 31:14-15), but how it was to be carried out had
not been established!

Death is death. The man was probably hungry, or cold, and forgot to gather firewood the previous day.
Divine justice requires the death penalty? What did Jesus say when his hungry disciples were caught gathering food on the Sabbath?

Matthew 12:7 NIV
If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent.

Did you notice the significance of how?

Nope.

Why did God make it this way SteVen?

Are you really able to say? Let's hear it.

What do you think was the lesson?

Your list of questions are rhetorical, yet you expected me to answer them.
When I didn't, you accused me of avoiding questions. That's the lesson.

 

[face2face]

That's your perception. Typically if think you are ready, I will wait until you are.
You have declared that I am wrong about the scriptures that support UR.
As if you hold the keys to understanding them.

Yeah, in most cases when you’ve been shown the correct interpretation you have no response or argument....hence, I get silence. It's as though the text is lost on you - you thought it meant x, you are shown its y, then you leave and move on to the next discussion. I'm happy to go back through our conversations and show you examples.
F2F

 

[face2face]

I have a theory that in the afterlife, everyone will be surprised at where they end up.

Matthew 21:31 NIV
... Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes
are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

Yes, we all will be surprised who enters the Kingdom of Heaven which is coming to the Earth.

 

[Patrick1966]

Watchtower quotes that only Jehovah's Witnesses will be Saved

Quotes showing the Watchtower teaches only Jehovah's Witnesses will be saved, and a discussion of why this is illogical. JWFacts is a site designed to make it as simple and quick as possible to determine if Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth

jwfacts.com

The reality is that most Christians believe that Jesus will torture the majority of humanity forever!

 

[face2face]

Death is death. The man was probably hungry, or cold, and forgot to gather firewood the previous day.

Nope!

Divine justice requires the death penalty? What did Jesus say when his hungry disciples were caught gathering food on the Sabbath?

Seems like you havn't a clue once again.

Matthew 12:7 NIV
If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent.

Nope.

Are you really able to say? Let's hear it.

Does it matter to you? You question the morality of God and asked questions as to whether you know what’s going on in that account and then you proceed to make more sweeping assumptions about it.

Why don't you go an enquire for yourself and then correct your own false understanding? Make our communications far more profitable.

Your list of questions are rhetorical, yet you expected me to answer them.
When I didn't, you accused me of avoiding questions. That's the lesson.

You have openly acknowledged you ask rhetorical questions. Isn’t that being hypocritical?

F2F

 

[face2face]

The kingdom of heaven that is coming to earth.

What does that mean? You talking Millennium?

The Kingdom of God is prophesied to replace the Kingdoms of men on earth. Correct this is to take place when the Lord returns and sits upon Davids throne again which is prophesied.
F2F

 

[face2face]

Divine justice requires the death penalty?

Absolutely! In what cases can you think this applies?
Why did it apply in Numbers 15?
Why don't you try to talk to the text? It wont bite you! Direct you clever questioning to this record and find truth and then share it with us!

 

[face2face]

Is the Millennial reign - the kingdom of God and Kingdom of heaven the same thing?

It depends wrecked.

The Kingdom of God on earth begins when Christ sits upon the throne of David and Israel makes Christ their king. At the end of that age Christ will hand the Kingdom (perfected) back to his Father Who is said to become all in all. This age has little said about it but in its fullness it will be the perfect Kingdom of Heaven when death and sin are totally removed from the earth.
F2F

 

[St. SteVen]

Yeah, in most cases when you’ve been shown the correct interpretation you have no response or argument....hence, I get silence.

Why do you assume that your interpretation is the correct one? Or that there is only one interpretation.

I'm not asking to be "fixed".

It's as though the text is lost on you - you thought it meant x, you are shown its y, then you leave and move on to the next discussion.

An impasse is an impasse. I'll go around instead.

 

[St. SteVen]

... correct your own false understanding? Make our communications far more profitable.

Profitable? - LOL
I'm not in the market for what you are selling.

You have openly acknowledged you ask rhetorical questions. Isn’t that being hypocritical?

I don't have a problem with rhetorical questions.
I have a problem with you accusing me of avoiding when I don't answer them.
By definition, a rhetorical question doesn't require an answer.
Because the answer is either obvious, or unanswerable.

 

[Patrick1966]

Why do you assume that your interpretation is the correct one? Or that there is only one interpretation.

I'm not asking to be "fixed".

An impasse is an impasse. I'll go around instead.

You'll never open his eyes. Only God can do that.

 

[St. SteVen]

You'll never open his eyes. Only God can do that.

I actually like the guy when he's not trying to "fix" me. (sigh)

 

[Patrick1966]

I actually like the guy when he's not trying to "fix" me. (sigh)

I was told yesterday in this forum that I have taken the mark of the beast and that Jesus is going to make me suffer!